Camp Lynch
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I'm just not seeing it with Lynch in the same way I am with Goff. Haven't looked at Wentz yet but it's harder to evaluate at that level, so not really prepared to comment so much.
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I love reading about all of the physical abilities and measurements, and I think those things really do matter to some extent. But what really gets me excited about a potential QB is their mental prowess. I don't know a thing about Lynch's grades, test scores, or anything, so I can't comment on that part of his game. From what little I've read about Carson Wentz, he's a very smart dude with something like a 4.0 in college (I believe I read that, could be wrong). A 4.0 in college is pretty tough to do, regardless of your major. You could be an under water basket weaving student, and getting a 4.0 is still tough to do. The fact that Wentz has a 4.0, has the stupid size and huge hands, and appears to be well liked...well...he's my guy at this early moment.
I believe I read that Goff was a film room junkie and a bright kid as well. And just because I read it, doesn't make it true, but internet articles are all I have to go on right now, LOL. At this point, I want Wentz as my first choice, but I'd be just about as happy with Goff. I'm completely stoked about having the second pick, and assuming we don't trade back, we're essentially guaranteed to get one of the two best QB prospects in the country. No, the QB crop isn't as talented as other years, but we have a savvy veteran on our roster. A veteran that enjoys working with young QB's, and a guy that is a helluva role model. I love the fact that we don't have to throw our rookie QB in for the first game. And who knows, maybe our rookie out performs McCown and starts anyways!
Lynch scares me for some reason, and I can't really tell you why. It's early February, and lots can/will change in the coming months. So it's very possible that Lynch could sky rocket and end up being our guy.
Lynch scares me for some reason, and I can't really tell you why.
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maybe?? anyone?? dead ringer if you ask me.
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Toward the end of the regular college season Lynch was considered the cream of the crop.....so certainly he should be in the conversation with the other QBs.....if QB were to be the way the Browns go.
That was more in the middle of the season.
That was more in the middle of the season.
Three quarter poll?
The question is.....who will do best down the stretch. So many opinions change when no actual games are ever being played.
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That was more in the middle of the season.
Three quarter poll?
The question is.....who will do best down the stretch. So many opinions change when no actual games are ever being played.
Three quarter poll?
The question is.....who will do best down the stretch. So many opinions change when no actual games are ever being played.
But many are being replayed and watched more closely.
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Certainly too much can be placed upon Combine (and Pro days), but I find the Combine especially useful for two things...
1. Confirming what I think I see in tape... or not. If not, then I can look again.
2. Sifting through the lesser known players for prospects whose tape I might otherwise never get around to seeing.
Certainly too much can be placed upon Combine (and Pro days), but I find the Combine especially useful for two things...
1. Confirming what I think I see in tape... or not. If not, then I can look again.
2. Sifting through the lesser known players for prospects whose tape I might otherwise never get around to seeing.
Byron Jones last year an excellent example-just under the radar until he broke a world record in the standing broad jump at the combine. Un f'n real!.
His combine bumped him from middle rounds to Cowboys 1st rounder.
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Certainly too much can be placed upon Combine (and Pro days), but I find the Combine especially useful for two things...
1. Confirming what I think I see in tape... or not. If not, then I can look again.
2. Sifting through the lesser known players for prospects whose tape I might otherwise never get around to seeing.
Byron Jones last year an excellent example-just under the radar until he broke a world record in the standing broad jump at the combine. Un f'n real!.
His combine bumped him from middle rounds to Cowboys 1st rounder.
Byron Jones last year an excellent example-just under the radar until he broke a world record in the standing broad jump at the combine. Un f'n real!.
His combine bumped him from middle rounds to Cowboys 1st rounder.
And how has he done this year?
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Byron Jones last year an excellent example-just under the radar until he broke a world record in the standing broad jump at the combine. Un f'n real!.
His combine bumped him from middle rounds to Cowboys 1st rounder.
And how has he done this year?
And how has he done this year?
Starting CB by the end of the year. Hard to judge much since their O was so bad, the D had to stay on the field way too much. That's why they are only 2 places away from the Browns. Had Romo been hurt the whole year they would have been picking first. Also why they go for whichever of Goff or Wentz we leave on the board. But in the long run Jones will get better and better IMHO.
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I love reading about all of the physical abilities and measurements, and I think those things really do matter to some extent. But what really gets me excited about a potential QB is their mental prowess. I don't know a thing about Lynch's grades, test scores, or anything, so I can't comment on that part of his game. From what little I've read about Carson Wentz, he's a very smart dude with something like a 4.0 in college (I believe I read that, could be wrong). A 4.0 in college is pretty tough to do, regardless of your major. You could be an under water basket weaving student, and getting a 4.0 is still tough to do. The fact that Wentz has a 4.0, has the stupid size and huge hands, and appears to be well liked...well...he's my guy at this early moment.
I believe I read that Goff was a film room junkie and a bright kid as well. And just because I read it, doesn't make it true, but internet articles are all I have to go on right now, LOL. At this point, I want Wentz as my first choice, but I'd be just about as happy with Goff. I'm completely stoked about having the second pick, and assuming we don't trade back, we're essentially guaranteed to get one of the two best QB prospects in the country. No, the QB crop isn't as talented as other years, but we have a savvy veteran on our roster. A veteran that enjoys working with young QB's, and a guy that is a helluva role model. I love the fact that we don't have to throw our rookie QB in for the first game. And who knows, maybe our rookie out performs McCown and starts anyways!
Lynch scares me for some reason, and I can't really tell you why. It's early February, and lots can/will change in the coming months. So it's very possible that Lynch could sky rocket and end up being our guy.
Jones was on peoples' radar before the combine though. Desir by contrast was an unknown.
The fact that Wentz has a 4.0, has the stupid size and huge hands, and appears to be well liked...well...he's my guy at this early moment.
Not sure the relationship between classroom smarts and football performance is all that clear.
Sounds like a job for Analytics Man!
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Jones was on peoples' radar before the combine though. Desir by contrast was an unknown.
The fact that Wentz has a 4.0, has the stupid size and huge hands, and appears to be well liked...well...he's my guy at this early moment.
Not sure the relationship between classroom smarts and football performance is all that clear.
Sounds like a job for Analytics Man!
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Camp Edward = Camp Goff
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Im not really sure. Didn't caspernick get a 48 on the wonderlic?
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There are real scouts, and then there are pretend scouts, bloggers and fans.
The contrast and change in draft projection that's going to occur over the next few months happens as the latter (everyone here, including me) learn more about the opinions and grades of the former. Leaks also help shape draft boards and grades.
I like Lynch, Goff and Wentz. I just don't know enough about all the other prospects to really value them yet -- without plagiarizing other people's rankings or work. Grading every single player and forming a "Big board" is so time consuming, I couldn't imagine being someone who actually does that, and doesn't borrow from his peers. I know certain people who do this. They get a "starting point" by taking another writer's rankings. That's wrong to me, and part of the problem this time of year.
I'm writing something, ranking the three of them against each other, not against other draft prospects. It should be out next week, and I'll link if people want to see it.
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There are real scouts, and then there are pretend scouts, bloggers and fans.
The contrast and change in draft projection that's going to occur over the next few months happens as the latter (everyone here, including me) learn more about the opinions and grades of the former. Leaks also help shape draft boards and grades.
I like Lynch, Goff and Wentz. I just don't know enough about all the other prospects to really value them yet -- without plagiarizing other people's rankings or work. Grading every single player and forming a "Big board" is so time consuming, I couldn't imagine being someone who actually does that, and doesn't borrow from his peers. I know certain people who do this. They get a "starting point" by taking another writer's rankings. That's wrong to me, and part of the problem this time of year.
I'm writing something, ranking the three of them against each other, not against other draft prospects. It should be out next week, and I'll link if people want to see it.
There are real scouts, and then there are pretend scouts, bloggers and fans.
The contrast and change in draft projection that's going to occur over the next few months happens as the latter (everyone here, including me) learn more about the opinions and grades of the former. Leaks also help shape draft boards and grades.
I like Lynch, Goff and Wentz. I just don't know enough about all the other prospects to really value them yet -- without plagiarizing other people's rankings or work. Grading every single player and forming a "Big board" is so time consuming, I couldn't imagine being someone who actually does that, and doesn't borrow from his peers. I know certain people who do this. They get a "starting point" by taking another writer's rankings. That's wrong to me, and part of the problem this time of year.
I'm writing something, ranking the three of them against each other, not against other draft prospects. It should be out next week, and I'll link if people want to see it.
Its OK to do this if you are paid to do this. Scouts/GMs are supposed to be professionals at this. To do it as a "hobby"? No thank you.
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Camp "Draft a late round talent with the 2nd pick"
I mean seriously, I'm a huge supporter of drafting Goff, and wouldn't mind a guy like Wentz. But come on, Paxton Lynch is a mid to late round draft pick.
I would rather draft someone like Treadwell or Bosa if we aren't going QB, but I really don't think that's going to happen
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Camp "Draft a late round talent with the 2nd pick"
I mean seriously, I'm a huge supporter of drafting Goff, and wouldn't mind a guy like Wentz. But come on, Paxton Lynch is a mid to late round draft pick.
I would rather draft someone like Treadwell or Bosa if we aren't going QB, but I really don't think that's going to happen
How do you figure hes a mid to late round pick? Everything Ive seen has him going first round. The difference in physical tools between the first 3 QBs is small. Youre not drafting a QB on what he did last year in college. Youre drafting a QB on how hes projected 5 years down the road. The things that will differentiate these QBs down the road are not measurable, nor can they be seen on tape. Things like mental capacity, anticipation, nerves, preperation, and leadership abilities will be the deciding factor on whos the best. Everyone complains that Paxton threw the ball short too much. Is that really his fault? Maybe the coach is ultra conservative. Maybe they didnt trust the oline and couldnt risk getting him hurt. Maybe his recievers couldnt get seperation. Who knows? Ill tell ya one thing, his chance of success based on physical tools alone are on par if not exceeding Goff. This decision should be made based on interviews and research. Interviews with these players, their coaches, their parents, and their teammates. Research on their schoolwork, demeanor, and work ethic.Camp "Draft a late round talent with the 2nd pick"
I mean seriously, I'm a huge supporter of drafting Goff, and wouldn't mind a guy like Wentz. But come on, Paxton Lynch is a mid to late round draft pick.
I would rather draft someone like Treadwell or Bosa if we aren't going QB, but I really don't think that's going to happen
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I agree wentz has yhe advantage of playing a pro style offense but not as much competition as lynch has had also not near as much experience
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I agree wentz has yhe advantage of playing a pro style offense but not as much competition as lynch has had also not near as much experience
I agree wentz has yhe advantage of playing a pro style offense but not as much competition as lynch has had also not near as much experience
Went plays a *lot* of read option, out of shotgun a lot, and a strangely high amount of the time it's on a reverse. He'll do that a lot less in the pros, I feel.
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Lynch attended a Super Bowl party with the Haslam's Saturday. The Browns are going after a quarterback and are already looking. Mudfly is spot on about wasting another first round pick with so many needs. Farmer's two drafts set us back with no QB, wide recievers
And it's going to take a few years to reboot. I'm with Mudfly on this. We need an edge rusher, OT, wide receiver, running back, lineman, and a franchise quarterback in a year where the QB's are underwhelming.
Can we find a diamond in the rough? Brady, Kaepernick or Russell Wilson? Can we get a free agent? Or groom a too skinny Goff, Lynch or Wentz?
Hue Jackson has his work cut out for him that's for sure.
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Had to assume the connection between haslam and lynch both being from tenn.
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