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  • L LondonBrown wrote on
    #2

    I stuck up for Ray Farmer but in hindsight, I have no idea what he was trying to achieve

  • L LondonBrown

    I stuck up for Ray Farmer but in hindsight, I have no idea what he was trying to achieve

    gftChrisG gftChris wrote on
    #3

    @londonbrown said:

    I stuck up for Ray Farmer but in hindsight, I have no idea what he was trying to achieve

    What killed Farmer, apart from any infighting/texting, was his inability to make the big time investments pay off. We have some really promising pieces in place, the likes of Bitonio, Johnson, Orchard, Cooper, Shelton, Meder, Crowell, Kirksey, Williams, and others that were all brought in by him, but in terms of big free agent signings, Dansby has been solid, Whitner worse than Ward (who wanted to stay but is now in the SB), Bowe is catastrophic, Rob Housler - remember him? - was brought in for decent money and promptly left. Draft picks - Gilbert and Manziel won't likely be on the team in 2016, Shelton has been OK and hopefully will improve but hardly set the world alight, Erving looked pretty disastrous. Bitonio is his highest pick that looks like he could be very good, and from six round one or two picks, that's not good enough.

  • L LondonBrown wrote on
    #4

    It seems conclusive he had no choice re Manziel but fine make sure you give him the chance to succeed. He gave a short QB even shorter receivers and he couldn't see any of them. Off field problems would have ruined it anyway but the point still stands

    Both Gilbert and Erving are incredibly raw (being polite) and were taken in the first. Just gave us no chance

  • L LondonBrown

    It seems conclusive he had no choice re Manziel but fine make sure you give him the chance to succeed. He gave a short QB even shorter receivers and he couldn't see any of them. Off field problems would have ruined it anyway but the point still stands

    Both Gilbert and Erving are incredibly raw (being polite) and were taken in the first. Just gave us no chance

    OsirisO Osiris wrote on
    #5

    @londonbrown said:

    It seems conclusive he had no choice re Manziel but fine make sure you give him the chance to succeed. He gave a short QB even shorter receivers and he couldn't see any of them. Off field problems would have ruined it anyway but the point still stands

    Both Gilbert and Erving are incredibly raw (being polite) and were taken in the first. Just gave us no chance

    And he couldn't see that part of the reason Manziel succeeded in college was because he had a WR with a huge catch radius. It would seem obvious that you would try to create an environment for your supposed franchise QB that borrows some things from what he succeeded with in college.

    "I said, 'I need someone who's going to want to get on the roller coaster with me knowing that it's not always going to be fun,'" -Paul DePodesta
  • OsirisO Osiris

    @londonbrown said:

    It seems conclusive he had no choice re Manziel but fine make sure you give him the chance to succeed. He gave a short QB even shorter receivers and he couldn't see any of them. Off field problems would have ruined it anyway but the point still stands

    Both Gilbert and Erving are incredibly raw (being polite) and were taken in the first. Just gave us no chance

    And he couldn't see that part of the reason Manziel succeeded in college was because he had a WR with a huge catch radius. It would seem obvious that you would try to create an environment for your supposed franchise QB that borrows some things from what he succeeded with in college.

    T TexasAg1969 wrote on
    #6

    @osiris said:

    And he couldn't see that part of the reason Manziel succeeded in college was because he had a WR with a huge catch radius. It would seem obvious that you would try to create an environment for your supposed franchise QB that borrows some things from what he succeeded with in college.

    Butt, butt, butt ................Bowe and Mayle it in. 😛

  • jiggins7919J jiggins7919 wrote on
    #7

    Travis Benjamin is a nice piece of the puzzle, but unfortunately...he will fit better if we have a certain other piece. It's infuriating just how much we need Josh Gordon. I know people will disagree with me, but to have a guy like Gordon...man...

  • jiggins7919J jiggins7919

    Travis Benjamin is a nice piece of the puzzle, but unfortunately...he will fit better if we have a certain other piece. It's infuriating just how much we need Josh Gordon. I know people will disagree with me, but to have a guy like Gordon...man...

    Mike HM Mike H wrote on
    #8

    @jiggins7919 said:

    Travis Benjamin is a nice piece of the puzzle, but unfortunately...he will fit better if we have a certain other piece. It's infuriating just how much we need Josh Gordon. I know people will disagree with me, but to have a guy like Gordon...man...

    Who could possibly disagree with that?

    He was busted after Week 17, for having booze on an airplane... WITH A COACH. He's not a pariah.

  • Opal312O Opal312 wrote on
    #9

    I agree whole heartedly! Why would you draft a small quarterback and not draft Mike Evans or Kelvin Benjamin type receiver? And drafting Vincent Mayle was really really stupid! I believe they drafted Erving for the day Alex Mack decides to leave. Justin Gilbert was Pettine's "Boy". Maybe Gilbert will change with a new coach?

    Thanks Ray, you stubborn horses ass!

    DAMN THE TORPEDOES! FULL SPEED AHEAD!
  • Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on
    #10

    Yet somehow Russell Wilson makes due with a set of WRs that are 5'10, 6'1, 5'10, 6'0 and 6'1... Why is that?

    And one the shortest was his best...

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  • Mike HM Mike H wrote on
    #11

    The whole "only good because he's tossing it up to big Mike Evans" narrative is pretty played out. It was never true.

  • Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on
    #12

    Agree...

    Also true? Mike Evans is more than just a tall WR who pushes off everytime... which is how I think I mistakenly characterized him prior to his draft.

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  • R RoyceRolls wrote on
    #13

    Manziel was good in college because he was in college. Receivers are the most overrated players on the field. The Panthers will probably win the Super Bowl and no one seems to care that their best wide receiver is Ted Ginn Jr. Almost every year the champions win with QB play and defense. We have neither and we still have people complaining about receivers? Do you people pay attention to what happens in the NFL or do you just watch your diabetic neighbor play madden?

    Remember that one time Bellicheck drafted a receiver in the first round? Yeah, neither does anyone else.

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  • Tour2maT Tour2ma

    Agree...

    Also true? Mike Evans is more than just a tall WR who pushes off everytime... which is how I think I mistakenly characterized him prior to his draft.

    Mike HM Mike H wrote on
    #14

    @tour2ma said:

    Agree...

    Also true? Mike Evans is more than just a tall WR who pushes off everytime... which is how I think I mistakenly characterized him prior to his draft.

    I liked him but I didn't think he'd be as good as soon as he has been. Oh well

  • Tour2maT Tour2ma

    Agree...

    Also true? Mike Evans is more than just a tall WR who pushes off everytime... which is how I think I mistakenly characterized him prior to his draft.

    W wargograw wrote on
    #15

    @tour2ma said:

    Agree...

    Also true? Mike Evans is more than just a tall WR who pushes off everytime... which is how I think I mistakenly characterized him prior to his draft.

    I wouldn't have argued with that. Refs around here let both sides get away with murder on the boundaries. That said, Evans has some tremendous tools.

    gftChrisG Tour2maT 2 Replies
  • W wargograw

    @tour2ma said:

    Agree...

    Also true? Mike Evans is more than just a tall WR who pushes off everytime... which is how I think I mistakenly characterized him prior to his draft.

    I wouldn't have argued with that. Refs around here let both sides get away with murder on the boundaries. That said, Evans has some tremendous tools.

    gftChrisG gftChris wrote on
    #16

    @wargograw said:

    I wouldn't have argued with that. Refs around here let both sides get away with murder on the boundaries. That said, Evans has some tremendous tools.

    Does that include the one that threw to him in Texas?

  • W wargograw wrote on
    #17

    It did, but obviously it no longer does.

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  • jiggins7919J jiggins7919 wrote on
    #18

    Mike Evans certainly pushes off more than most, but if they don't call it...LOL. Evans also has more infuriating drops than just about anybody on the planet. Still, he's a viable threat, and will probably only get more dangerous. You know who else pushes off? Kelvin Benjamin for the Panthers. I know he was hurt this season (geez...think about the Panthers with HIM healthy), but in his early years, he had about 5 touchdowns called back in college for pushing off, LOL. However, he learned how to do it "legally" and he blossomed. What do Evans and Kelvin have in common? SIZE, SIZE, and more SIZE.

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  • W wargograw

    It did, but obviously it no longer does.

    gftChrisG gftChris wrote on
    #19

    @wargograw said:

    It did, but obviously it no longer does.

    I just wanted to make a joke about JFF being a massive tool.

  • gftChrisG gftChris

    @wargograw said:

    It did, but obviously it no longer does.

    I just wanted to make a joke about JFF being a massive tool.

    W wargograw wrote on
    #20

    @gftchris said:

    I just wanted to make a joke about JFF being a massive tool.

    Ha! I didn't get it, my bad.

  • R RoyceRolls

    Manziel was good in college because he was in college. Receivers are the most overrated players on the field. The Panthers will probably win the Super Bowl and no one seems to care that their best wide receiver is Ted Ginn Jr. Almost every year the champions win with QB play and defense. We have neither and we still have people complaining about receivers? Do you people pay attention to what happens in the NFL or do you just watch your diabetic neighbor play madden?

    Remember that one time Bellicheck drafted a receiver in the first round? Yeah, neither does anyone else.

    Z Zombo wrote on
    #21

    @roycerolls said:

    Manziel was good in college because he was in college. Receivers are the most overrated players on the field. The Panthers will probably win the Super Bowl and no one seems to care that their best wide receiver is Ted Ginn Jr. Almost every year the champions win with QB play and defense. We have neither and we still have people complaining about receivers? Do you people pay attention to what happens in the NFL or do you just watch your diabetic neighbor play madden?

    Remember that one time Bellicheck drafted a receiver in the first round? Yeah, neither does anyone else.

    Good post. And, I agree. But technically, there was Derrick Alexander

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