Benjamin 'close' to signing a new contract
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Manziel was good in college because he was in college. Receivers are the most overrated players on the field. The Panthers will probably win the Super Bowl and no one seems to care that their best wide receiver is Ted Ginn Jr. Almost every year the champions win with QB play and defense. We have neither and we still have people complaining about receivers? Do you people pay attention to what happens in the NFL or do you just watch your diabetic neighbor play madden?
Remember that one time Bellicheck drafted a receiver in the first round? Yeah, neither does anyone else.
Good post. And, I agree. But technically, there was Derrick Alexander
WR 2014 7 29 244 Jeremy Gallon Michigan2013 2 27 59 Aaron Dobson Marshall2013 4 5 102 Josh Boyce Texas Christian2012 7 28 235 Jeremy Ebert Northwestern2010 3 26 90 Taylor Price Ohio2009 3 19 83 Brandon Tate North Carolina2008 5 18 153 Matt Slater UCLA2006 2 4 36 Chad Jackson Florida2004 5 32 164 P.K. Sam Florida State2003 2 13 45 Bethel Johnson Texas A&M2002 2 33 65 Deion Branch Louisville2002 7 33 244 David Givens Notre Dame1995 5 13 147 Mike Miller Notre Dame1995 7 23 231 A.C. Tellison Miami (FL)1994 1 29 29 Derrick Alexander Michigan1992 2 24 52 Patrick Rowe San Diego State1992 6 3 143 Rico Smith Colorado1992 11 9 289 Augustin Olobia Washington State1991 6 2 141 Michael Jackson Southern Mississippi1991 9 16 239 Shawn Wiggins WyomingZombo said:
Good post. And, I agree. But technically, there was Derrick Alexander
WR 2014 7 29 244 Jeremy Gallon Michigan
2013 2 27 59 Aaron Dobson Marshall
2013 4 5 102 Josh Boyce Texas Christian
2012 7 28 235 Jeremy Ebert Northwestern
2010 3 26 90 Taylor Price Ohio
2009 3 19 83 Brandon Tate North Carolina
2008 5 18 153 Matt Slater UCLA
2006 2 4 36 Chad Jackson Florida
2004 5 32 164 P.K. Sam Florida State
2003 2 13 45 Bethel Johnson Texas A&M
2002 2 33 65 Deion Branch Louisville
2002 7 33 244 David Givens Notre Dame
1995 5 13 147 Mike Miller Notre Dame
1995 7 23 231 A.C. Tellison Miami (FL)
1994 1 29 29 Derrick Alexander Michigan
1992 2 24 52 Patrick Rowe San Diego State
1992 6 3 143 Rico Smith Colorado
1992 11 9 289 Augustin Olobia Washington State
1991 6 2 141 Michael Jackson Southern Mississippi
1991 9 16 239 Shawn Wiggins Wyoming
You're right, I meant patriot era Belichick, after he had learned how to win.
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mike evans was my fave receiver in that draft. push off or not, the browns have no one a qb can throw the ball 6 ft. over their had and come down with it in the end zone while little flea cbs bounce up and off him like the fleas they are (compared to him). gronk? mark bavarro? ozzie? can we find someone bigger that a beetle to grab a ball over their heads and then steam roll people into the end zone?
maybe?
mike evans was my fave receiver in that draft. push off or not, the browns have no one a qb can throw the ball 6 ft. over their had and come down with it in the end zone while little flea cbs bounce up and off him like the fleas they are (compared to him). gronk? mark bavarro? ozzie? can we find someone bigger that a beetle to grab a ball over their heads and then steam roll people into the end zone?
maybe?
Barnidge.....and Terrelle Pryor if he sticks and performs.
Gordon, if he returns.....and yes, I am in favor of drafting a big WR. Mayle was supposed to be there as well. How could they have missed so badly on him?
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mike evans was my fave receiver in that draft. push off or not, the browns have no one a qb can throw the ball 6 ft. over their had and come down with it in the end zone while little flea cbs bounce up and off him like the fleas they are (compared to him). gronk? mark bavarro? ozzie? can we find someone bigger that a beetle to grab a ball over their heads and then steam roll people into the end zone?
maybe?
Barnidge.....and Terrelle Pryor if he sticks and performs.
Gordon, if he returns.....and yes, I am in favor of drafting a big WR. Mayle was supposed to be there as well. How could they have missed so badly on him?
Barnidge.....and Terrelle Pryor if he sticks and performs.
Gordon, if he returns.....and yes, I am in favor of drafting a big WR. Mayle was supposed to be there as well. How could they have missed so badly on him?
Hartline is 6'2" also. With him and Barnie that's two. And don't forget bowe and housler...
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yeah and barnidge is no gronk, or bavarro, or ozzie or evans. sure he looks great when he grabs a pass wide open because no one thinks anything of him except us. it was like the wentz pass to vanetti (osu te in the senior bowl)....you can say wow, great pass (behind him by 2 yards) or great catch but did he make it a yard after someone tripped him up by his shoelaces?
c'mon man. there's a HUGE difference.
i mean when's the last time we saw any browns player carry four defenders on his back 10 yards into the end zone? mack? meanwhile gronk and those built like him do it 10 times a game.
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Benjamin is a solid #2 and should be accurately compensated. If he is looking for #1 money that is a harder decision.
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Yet somehow Russell Wilson makes due with a set of WRs that are 5'10, 6'1, 5'10, 6'0 and 6'1... Why is that?
And one the shortest was his best...
Yet somehow Russell Wilson makes due with a set of WRs that are 5'10, 6'1, 5'10, 6'0 and 6'1... Why is that?
And one the shortest was his best...
Better O-Line, running game and defense.
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Manziel was good in college because he was in college. Receivers are the most overrated players on the field. The Panthers will probably win the Super Bowl and no one seems to care that their best wide receiver is Ted Ginn Jr. Almost every year the champions win with QB play and defense. We have neither and we still have people complaining about receivers? Do you people pay attention to what happens in the NFL or do you just watch your diabetic neighbor play madden?
Remember that one time Bellicheck drafted a receiver in the first round? Yeah, neither does anyone else.
Manziel was good in college because he was in college. Receivers are the most overrated players on the field. The Panthers will probably win the Super Bowl and no one seems to care that their best wide receiver is Ted Ginn Jr. Almost every year the champions win with QB play and defense. We have neither and we still have people complaining about receivers? Do you people pay attention to what happens in the NFL or do you just watch your diabetic neighbor play madden?
Remember that one time Bellicheck drafted a receiver in the first round? Yeah, neither does anyone else.
Talk to the 49ers of the late 80s early 90s.
All positions are going to be overvalued when you excel at other aspects. The Panthers have rushed for 100 yards in 31 straight games and combine that with their defense you don't need to throw for 400 yards.
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Better O-Line, running game and defense.
Correlation does not equal causation.
Put up one of the best stretches, if not the very best, in NFL history during the 2nd half of 2015. His O-line is also patch work, and not made up of highly-touted draft picks like the Browns'
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Better O-Line, running game and defense.
Which one makes Wilson taller?
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Barnidge.....and Terrelle Pryor if he sticks and performs.
Gordon, if he returns.....and yes, I am in favor of drafting a big WR. Mayle was supposed to be there as well. How could they have missed so badly on him?
Hartline is 6'2" also. With him and Barnie that's two. And don't forget bowe and housler...
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Manziel was good in college because he was in college. Receivers are the most overrated players on the field. The Panthers will probably win the Super Bowl and no one seems to care that their best wide receiver is Ted Ginn Jr. Almost every year the champions win with QB play and defense. We have neither and we still have people complaining about receivers? Do you people pay attention to what happens in the NFL or do you just watch your diabetic neighbor play madden?
Remember that one time Bellicheck drafted a receiver in the first round? Yeah, neither does anyone else.
Good post. And, I agree. But technically, there was Derrick Alexander
WR 2014 7 29 244 Jeremy Gallon Michigan2013 2 27 59 Aaron Dobson Marshall2013 4 5 102 Josh Boyce Texas Christian2012 7 28 235 Jeremy Ebert Northwestern2010 3 26 90 Taylor Price Ohio2009 3 19 83 Brandon Tate North Carolina2008 5 18 153 Matt Slater UCLA2006 2 4 36 Chad Jackson Florida2004 5 32 164 P.K. Sam Florida State2003 2 13 45 Bethel Johnson Texas A&M2002 2 33 65 Deion Branch Louisville2002 7 33 244 David Givens Notre Dame1995 5 13 147 Mike Miller Notre Dame1995 7 23 231 A.C. Tellison Miami (FL)1994 1 29 29 Derrick Alexander Michigan1992 2 24 52 Patrick Rowe San Diego State1992 6 3 143 Rico Smith Colorado1992 11 9 289 Augustin Olobia Washington State1991 6 2 141 Michael Jackson Southern Mississippi1991 9 16 239 Shawn Wiggins WyomingZombo said:
Good post. And, I agree. But technically, there was Derrick Alexander
WR 2014 7 29 244 Jeremy Gallon Michigan2013 2 27 59 Aaron Dobson Marshall2013 4 5 102 Josh Boyce Texas Christian2012 7 28 235 Jeremy Ebert Northwestern2010 3 26 90 Taylor Price Ohio2009 3 19 83 Brandon Tate North Carolina2008 5 18 153 Matt Slater UCLA2006 2 4 36 Chad Jackson Florida2004 5 32 164 P.K. Sam Florida State2003 2 13 45 Bethel Johnson Texas A&M2002 2 33 65 Deion Branch Louisville2002 7 33 244 David Givens Notre Dame1995 5 13 147 Mike Miller Notre Dame1995 7 23 231 A.C. Tellison Miami (FL)1994 1 29 29 Derrick Alexander Michigan1992 2 24 52 Patrick Rowe San Diego State1992 6 3 143 Rico Smith Colorado1992 11 9 289 Augustin Olobia Washington State1991 6 2 141 Michael Jackson Southern Mississippi1991 9 16 239 Shawn Wiggins WyomingGood stuff. Unfortunately, here's a list showing we haven't had a lot of luck w/ WRs in round 2 of the regular NFL draft either.
Lawyer Tillman - I remembered looking forward to seeing/hearing some "Bernie to the Attorney" hook ups - but bad luck w/ injuries ruined that.
Patrick Rowe
Dennis Northcutt - good return guy but disappointing WR that demanded 1st round $ for being a 32 overall pick in 2000 (before a 32nd team was added).
Quincey Morgan - The rock quarry for hands that inspired Bottlegate before Cincy took that tradition over a month ago.
Andre Davis - Too many injuries to get anything going.
Greg Little - Led us in dropped passes both years we led the conference in drops. Most PRO teams don't draft WRs that need to be taught how to catch.
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Manziel was good in college because he was in college. Receivers are the most overrated players on the field. The Panthers will probably win the Super Bowl and no one seems to care that their best wide receiver is Ted Ginn Jr. Almost every year the champions win with QB play and defense. We have neither and we still have people complaining about receivers? Do you people pay attention to what happens in the NFL or do you just watch your diabetic neighbor play madden?
Remember that one time Bellicheck drafted a receiver in the first round? Yeah, neither does anyone else.
Good post. And, I agree. But technically, there was Derrick Alexander
WR 2014 7 29 244 Jeremy Gallon Michigan2013 2 27 59 Aaron Dobson Marshall2013 4 5 102 Josh Boyce Texas Christian2012 7 28 235 Jeremy Ebert Northwestern2010 3 26 90 Taylor Price Ohio2009 3 19 83 Brandon Tate North Carolina2008 5 18 153 Matt Slater UCLA2006 2 4 36 Chad Jackson Florida2004 5 32 164 P.K. Sam Florida State2003 2 13 45 Bethel Johnson Texas A&M2002 2 33 65 Deion Branch Louisville2002 7 33 244 David Givens Notre Dame1995 5 13 147 Mike Miller Notre Dame1995 7 23 231 A.C. Tellison Miami (FL)1994 1 29 29 Derrick Alexander Michigan1992 2 24 52 Patrick Rowe San Diego State1992 6 3 143 Rico Smith Colorado1992 11 9 289 Augustin Olobia Washington State1991 6 2 141 Michael Jackson Southern Mississippi1991 9 16 239 Shawn Wiggins WyomingZombo said:
Good post. And, I agree. But technically, there was Derrick Alexander
The irony is that Derrick Alexander is the 2nd best(in career production) WR drafted by the Browns in the last 30 years...
So the one that Bullychuck picked was the only winner, compared to the other 14 we've picked in the top 2 rounds....of course, he left with the Browns in '95....
Good stuff. Unfortunately, here's a list showing we haven't had a lot of luck w/ WRs in round 2 of the regular NFL draft either.
I went back and researched every WR picked in the top 2 rounds since '85 and it's a long list....14 of them, to be exact....which is basically one every other year....and there are no real stars in the group....none....
Who is the BEST WR the Browns have drafted in the last 30 years?....That would be Keenan McCardell in Round 12......problem is that we didnt play him and let him leave and the next year he exploded......had a great career elsewhere.....
Out of the 14 high draft picks(rounds 1 & 2) only 2 of them stuck beyond their rookie contracts....Northcutt and Slaughter....
Some of our more productive/popular WR's during that same 30 year period were Brian Brennan Rnd 4....Reggie Langhorne Rnd 7....Josh Cribbs UDFA
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I am good with this signing because he is a good WR and great on special teams. Cribbs was a great special teamer but he did not have the skills at WR that Benjamin has. Benjamin is worth it in my opinion.
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I am good with this signing because he is a good WR and great on special teams. Cribbs was a great special teamer but he did not have the skills at WR that Benjamin has. Benjamin is worth it in my opinion.
Benjamin is worth it in my opinion.
I would say it depends on what they pay him, cause Im not convinced this season wasnt a fluke.....give him #2 or 3 money and Im good.....but give him big money and I think they're making another money mistake.....
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Zombo said:
Good post. And, I agree. But technically, there was Derrick Alexander
The irony is that Derrick Alexander is the 2nd best(in career production) WR drafted by the Browns in the last 30 years...
So the one that Bullychuck picked was the only winner, compared to the other 14 we've picked in the top 2 rounds....of course, he left with the Browns in '95....
Good stuff. Unfortunately, here's a list showing we haven't had a lot of luck w/ WRs in round 2 of the regular NFL draft either.
I went back and researched every WR picked in the top 2 rounds since '85 and it's a long list....14 of them, to be exact....which is basically one every other year....and there are no real stars in the group....none....
Who is the BEST WR the Browns have drafted in the last 30 years?....That would be Keenan McCardell in Round 12......problem is that we didnt play him and let him leave and the next year he exploded......had a great career elsewhere.....
Out of the 14 high draft picks(rounds 1 & 2) only 2 of them stuck beyond their rookie contracts....Northcutt and Slaughter....
Some of our more productive/popular WR's during that same 30 year period were Brian Brennan Rnd 4....Reggie Langhorne Rnd 7....Josh Cribbs UDFA
The irony is that Derrick Alexander is the 2nd best(in career production) WR drafted by the Browns in the last 30 years...
So the one that Bullychuck picked was the only winner, compared to the other 14 we've picked in the top 2 rounds....of course, he left with the Browns in '95....
I went back and researched every WR picked in the top 2 rounds since '85 and it's a long list....14 of them, to be exact....which is basically one every other year....and there are no real stars in the group....none....
Who is the BEST WR the Browns have drafted in the last 30 years?....That would be Keenan McCardell in Round 12......problem is that we didnt play him and let him leave and the next year he exploded......had a great career elsewhere.....
Out of the 14 high draft picks(rounds 1 & 2) only 2 of them stuck beyond their rookie contracts....Northcutt and Slaughter....
Some of our more productive/popular WR's during that same 30 year period were Brian Brennan Rnd 4....Reggie Langhorne Rnd 7....Josh Cribbs UDFA
Great stuff! The only nitpick is Keenan McCardell was drafted by the Washington Redskins in round 12.
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The irony is that Derrick Alexander is the 2nd best(in career production) WR drafted by the Browns in the last 30 years...
So the one that Bullychuck picked was the only winner, compared to the other 14 we've picked in the top 2 rounds....of course, he left with the Browns in '95....
I went back and researched every WR picked in the top 2 rounds since '85 and it's a long list....14 of them, to be exact....which is basically one every other year....and there are no real stars in the group....none....
Who is the BEST WR the Browns have drafted in the last 30 years?....That would be Keenan McCardell in Round 12......problem is that we didnt play him and let him leave and the next year he exploded......had a great career elsewhere.....
Out of the 14 high draft picks(rounds 1 & 2) only 2 of them stuck beyond their rookie contracts....Northcutt and Slaughter....
Some of our more productive/popular WR's during that same 30 year period were Brian Brennan Rnd 4....Reggie Langhorne Rnd 7....Josh Cribbs UDFA
Great stuff! The only nitpick is Keenan McCardell was drafted by the Washington Redskins in round 12.
Great stuff! The only nitpick is I don't think Keenan McCardell was drafted by Cleveland. Without looking, I think either Washington or Chicago drafted him.
Son of a gun...you're right.....so the one great one we picked, we really didnt pick....figures
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Son of a gun...you're right.....so the one great one we picked, we really didnt pick....figures
That was a good post so it wasn't a big deal at all Mud. I'm kind of partial to Brian Brennan when we factor in how often that guy came up huge on 3rd downs. The guy led our WRs in Receptions despite part time work almost exclusive to 3rd downs.
The thing I like about Benjamin is he wasn't a high round and in our 2014 matchup with TN - I began to see our patience paying off from training/coaching up the investment to him knowing when/where to sit down in a route as well understanding how to adjust to a coverage leverage/zone blitz scheme. In 2014, he had our most yards per catch and TD receptions in the WR Corps despite only playing part time. I saw a lot of the same things in 2015.
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!" -
Here's another scary stat......the last 3 Browns WR's to make the Pro Bowl???
2007 - Braylon Edwards
1990 - Webster Slaughter
1970 - Paul Warfield
ouch!
Here's another scary stat......the last 3 Browns WR's to make the Pro Bowl???
2007 - Braylon Edwards
1990 - Webster Slaughter
1970 - Paul Warfield
ouch!
Josh Gordon too.
The scary thing is what came after the Pro Bowls from Gordon and Edwards. Football looked 2nd to partying.
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!"
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