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  • MudflyM Mudfly

    @the-gipper said:

    Think about it: Byner taken in 1984....no true quality full time RB drafted since. And the last quality QB they drafted? Bernie in the Supp draft.

    Think about it.....no real quality RB or QB in over 30 years drafted by this team. Really. Even if we give you Metcalf that was 1989.

    Two important skill positions....no quality draftee in 25 years.

    And Byner was a 10th round pick by the way. Today he would be UDFA.

    Maybe Duke Johnson can break that spell.

    And we drafted Mack the same year as Byner, except it was in the USFL Supplemental Draft....

    In contrast, the 30 years preceding this drought, we drafted Jim Brown, Leroy Kelly, Greg Pruitt and Mike Pruitt.....which carried us right upto Mack & Byner......then, it was over.....

    @mudfly said:

    And we drafted Mack the same year as Byner, except it was in the USFL Supplemental Draft....

    In contrast, the 30 years preceding this drought, we drafted Jim Brown, Leroy Kelly, Greg Pruitt and Mike Pruitt.....which carried us right upto Mack & Byner......then, it was over.....

    Right. The Browns did good with that USFL Supp draft. And in getting good RBs. Even to this day hardly any team has done better in their history....even with the 30 year drought.

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  • I'm telling you now that some team that is committed to the run will be glad he is there for the tough inside yards for first downs and setting up play action.

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  • I really want to see an edge rusher at 32...

    Really hoping Spence is there or within reasonable trade up range.

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  • This won't be the first time divine intervention will put solutions on our door step;but it might be the first time we're counting on an intellect at the top that understands this.

    Our FO and HC should be able to get their QB at #2 overall leaving us in perfect position to snag a quality defensive lineman at #32 in a draft loaded with DT/Dline talent. Many of us also like the big WR from TCU (Doctson) especially considering how often we've been able to rely on Josh Gordon around here.

    I know we're not going to go wild in free agency; but there will be some of Hue's former players like Marvin Jone and Mo Sanu that would see his offense as a perfect fit. We don't have enough draft picks to solve everything while we're possibly losing starters via free agency so I gotta believe we'll still use the process. In doing so, it make it easier to focus on drafting help in the trenches and other areas of importance. Sometimes the draft doesn't always align itself with what we need. This year, however, it looks like we'll have some great options for our situation at #2 and #32.

    I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!"
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  • The GipperT The Gipper

    @texasag1969 said:

    I'd give anything to have him on the Browns now exactly as he was in his prime. Our running game would actually exist as a threat. Guess we'll have to settle for Henry. 😆 :lol:

    Comparing Henry to The Crow as best as I could find:

    Crowell 5'11 Henry 6'3"

    Crowell 224 lbs. Henry 240 lbs

    Crowell 4.57 40 time Henry 4.50

    Crowell 38 inch vertical leap Henry 35 inch

    The following come from Crowell's Combine.....not sure what Henry's are right now:

    31.5 arm length

    9 1/4th " hand size

    23 reps

    117 broad jump.

    Henry is a bit bigger, not necessarily faster.

    Does anyone think taking him would be a vast improvement over Crowell?

    @the-gipper said:

    Comparing Henry to The Crow as best as I could find:

    Crowell 5'11 Henry 6'3"

    Crowell 224 lbs. Henry 240 lbs

    Crowell 4.57 40 time Henry 4.50

    Crowell 38 inch vertical leap Henry 35 inch

    The following come from Crowell's Combine.....not sure what Henry's are right now:

    31.5 arm length

    9 1/4th " hand size

    23 reps

    117 broad jump.

    Henry is a bit bigger, not necessarily faster.

    Does anyone think taking him would be a vast improvement over Crowell?

    I remembered hearing everyone praise us for drafting Trent Richardson when that was allegedly a terrific idea. That was before hindsight 20/20 showed up to remind us and Trent he wasn't in Alabama any more - just like Dorothy once needed to be reminded she wasn't in Kansas any more.

    FWIW, Crow averaged something like 5.4 yards per carry midway through his rookie year. Do you think he just woke up as a bad football player somewhere in his 1st 2 years and that's all there is to it? Let's say we pretend we have a line that dominates opponents like Alabama always does, would we even be worrying about Crow?

    Even though Mack made another Pro Bowl - I still didn't like our run blocking consistency inside the tackles. It felt like it took the right opponent like SF for everything to click. When it did, Crow was able to succeed exactly like those Alabama RBs seem to do when they have those favorable conditions all the time.

    I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!"

  • I'm a dedicated #CrowHoe. Elliot is the only guy I would give up on him for this year. I would, however, probably have Crowell on a fairly short leash this season and if he's not getting it done by midseason, you bring someone else in and give them the reigns. But he will get it done.

    Tour or anyone, have you guys broken down what kind of scheme Crowell ran in at Georgia and Alabama A&M? Curious as to how much the new blocking scheme will benefit him this year.

    Also, I doubt Henry runs a 4.5 flat or better at the combine. Very slow feet in the backfield, which means his first 10 yards won't be very good. He does have pretty good long speed though. Will it be enough to salvage a great time? Who knows.

  • On the flip side, I played with the Seahawks in Madden last night and it made me realize two things with absolute utmost certainty:

    We need a quarterback.

    We need two edge rushers.

    That frees up everything else.

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  • The GipperT The Gipper

    @mudfly said:

    And we drafted Mack the same year as Byner, except it was in the USFL Supplemental Draft....

    In contrast, the 30 years preceding this drought, we drafted Jim Brown, Leroy Kelly, Greg Pruitt and Mike Pruitt.....which carried us right upto Mack & Byner......then, it was over.....

    Right. The Browns did good with that USFL Supp draft. And in getting good RBs. Even to this day hardly any team has done better in their history....even with the 30 year drought.

    @the-gipper said:

    Right. The Browns did good with that USFL Supp draft. And in getting good RBs. Even to this day hardly any team has done better in their history....even with the 30 year drought.

    84-85 were amazing.....

    In 1984 alone....between the draft and supplemental draft we added Don Rogers, Chris Rockins, Brian Brennan, Frank Minnifield, Kevin Mack, Ernest Byner, Mike Johnson and the Cube......and we also signed Herman Fontenot & Big Daddy Carl Hairston as FA's....

    And in 1985....we added Kosar & Langhorne....

    Now THAT was a boatload of talent.....fast!!!

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  • MudflyM Mudfly

    @the-gipper said:

    Right. The Browns did good with that USFL Supp draft. And in getting good RBs. Even to this day hardly any team has done better in their history....even with the 30 year drought.

    84-85 were amazing.....

    In 1984 alone....between the draft and supplemental draft we added Don Rogers, Chris Rockins, Brian Brennan, Frank Minnifield, Kevin Mack, Ernest Byner, Mike Johnson and the Cube......and we also signed Herman Fontenot & Big Daddy Carl Hairston as FA's....

    And in 1985....we added Kosar & Langhorne....

    Now THAT was a boatload of talent.....fast!!!

    @mudfly said:

    84-85 were amazing.....

    In 1984 alone....between the draft and supplemental draft we added Don Rogers, Chris Rockins, Brian Brennan, Frank Minnifield, Kevin Mack, Ernest Byner, Mike Johnson and the Cube......and we also signed Herman Fontenot & Big Daddy Carl Hairston as FA's....

    And in 1985....we added Kosar & Langhorne....

    Now THAT was a boatload of talent.....fast!!!

    Great memory Mud! They also landed a 6'7" bargain in Dan Fike as an 85 FA who started games at Guard and Tackle for some of our playoff teams in the mid-late 80s. This former Florida Gator was a 10th round draft pick for the NY Jets in 83.

    There were times when we found really good linemen from 79 to the mid 90s either late in the draft or undrafted like: Tony (T-Bone) Jones (undrafted), Orlando Brown (undrafted), Paul Farren (12th round), Cody Risien (7th round). Every one of those players participated on teams that won at least 1 playoff game with Cleveland. Farren started at 4 different positions. Orlando Brown was the reason we were a great right handed running team that got Leroy Hoard a Pro Bowl honor when we ran the ball down the esophagus of playoff bound fronts like Philly and Dallas.

    I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!"
  • Tim Couch Pulls OutT Tim Couch Pulls Out

    On the flip side, I played with the Seahawks in Madden last night and it made me realize two things with absolute utmost certainty:

    We need a quarterback.

    We need two edge rushers.

    That frees up everything else.

    @tim-couch-pulls-out said:

    On the flip side, I played with the Seahawks in Madden last night and it made me realize two things with absolute utmost certainty:

    We need a quarterback.

    We need two edge rushers.

    That frees up everything else.

    Cleveland is actually my secret weapon on Madden. The DBs are disgusting, you have Gordon, Johnny's pretty good, and the run game actually works.

    So basically nothing like real life.

  • W wargograw

    @tim-couch-pulls-out said:

    On the flip side, I played with the Seahawks in Madden last night and it made me realize two things with absolute utmost certainty:

    We need a quarterback.

    We need two edge rushers.

    That frees up everything else.

    Cleveland is actually my secret weapon on Madden. The DBs are disgusting, you have Gordon, Johnny's pretty good, and the run game actually works.

    So basically nothing like real life.

    @wargograw said:

    Cleveland is actually my secret weapon on Madden. The DBs are disgusting, you have Gordon, Johnny's pretty good, and the run game actually works.

    So basically nothing like real life.

    I don't mind using them, either. There's some decent game talent on the team - it's insanely hard to cover Benjamin from the slot.

    I won a tournament with the Browns back in the Brady Quinn days. For some reason, I was unstoppable with the guy. Quick release and decent enough mobility allowed me to boot action all day.

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  • I haven't even used Benji in the slot. Always go Gordon, Bowe, Hartline on the outside (though when I finally update, that'll probably change) with Hawk in the slot. I'll try Travis.

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