Camp Cook
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So if Johnny is charged and convicted he will probably serve at least a year suspension from the NFL. That year will not count against the contract with the Cleveland Browns and during that time, and at least some jail time, he will be able to make a serious attempt at reforming.
No cost to the Browns during the suspension. Returns to the Browns with a new lease on life and new attitude a la Josh Gordon.
WSS
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So if Johnny is charged and convicted he will probably serve at least a year suspension from the NFL. That year will not count against the contract with the Cleveland Browns and during that time, and at least some jail time, he will be able to make a serious attempt at reforming.
No cost to the Browns during the suspension. Returns to the Browns with a new lease on life and new attitude a la Josh Gordon.
WSS
So if Johnny is charged and convicted he will probably serve at least a year suspension from the NFL. That year will not count against the contract with the Cleveland Browns and during that time, and at least some jail time, he will be able to make a serious attempt at reforming.
No cost to the Browns during the suspension. Returns to the Browns with a new lease on life and new attitude a la Josh Gordon.
WSS
How did this get on this thread?
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eh....he'd just bounce off the QB anyway.....olb's cover a lot.....esp the great ones who are 3 tool players.....I guess if all your LB's can only rush, then you have very limited LB's(which we do).....and if they both rush every play, then you have an extremely limited defensive scheme, because the other team knows whats coming everytime....also makes for extra easy mismatches and blocking schemes for the opponent....
Well...whatever else he may be able to do...or not...lets at least start asking him to rush the passer.
See another thread on the HOF: Kevin Greene just selected for the HOF. He only had 669 tackle his entire career....but had 169 sacks. 25% of his tackles were sacks.
So, JUST being a very successful pass rusher can actually get you somewhere...to the HOF.
So, JUST being a very successful pass rusher can actually get you somewhere...to the HOF.
I would only argue that his stats indicate that he's not a very successful pass rusher....So yeah, when you have a Kevin Greene, you utilize that talent and use him as a designated pass rusher....but Mingo aint that guy....
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So, JUST being a very successful pass rusher can actually get you somewhere...to the HOF.
I would only argue that his stats indicate that he's not a very successful pass rusher....So yeah, when you have a Kevin Greene, you utilize that talent and use him as a designated pass rusher....but Mingo aint that guy....
I would only argue that his stats indicate that he's not a very successful pass rusher....So yeah, when you have a Kevin Greene, you utilize that talent and use him as a designated pass rusher....but Mingo aint that guy....
Well, my argument is that we don't know if he is or isn't that guy. Sure, he may not be as prolific as a Kevin Greene.....but at least let him loose to see what he can be.
Then if he fails fine.....move along, move along....he is not the droid we are looking for. (or maybe he is?)
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I would only argue that his stats indicate that he's not a very successful pass rusher....So yeah, when you have a Kevin Greene, you utilize that talent and use him as a designated pass rusher....but Mingo aint that guy....
Well, my argument is that we don't know if he is or isn't that guy. Sure, he may not be as prolific as a Kevin Greene.....but at least let him loose to see what he can be.
Then if he fails fine.....move along, move along....he is not the droid we are looking for. (or maybe he is?)
Well, my argument is that we don't know if he is or isn't that guy. Sure, he may not be as prolific as a Kevin Greene.....but at least let him loose to see what he can be.
Then if he fails fine.....move along, move along....he is not the droid we are looking for. (or maybe he is?)
He's had three years, and seven sacks. Pretty safe to say he isn't I think. But, he's under contract, he can cover well enough, I don't mind keeping him around for the final year.
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So if Johnny is charged and convicted he will probably serve at least a year suspension from the NFL. That year will not count against the contract with the Cleveland Browns and during that time, and at least some jail time, he will be able to make a serious attempt at reforming.
No cost to the Browns during the suspension. Returns to the Browns with a new lease on life and new attitude a la Josh Gordon.
WSS
How did this get on this thread?
Didn't you just rattle off about 15000 Browns quarterbacks and how they got here and a bunch of stuff about pass rush and sacks etcetera etcetera etcetera? Figured offtopic door has been openedHow did this get on this thread?
WSS
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Well, my argument is that we don't know if he is or isn't that guy. Sure, he may not be as prolific as a Kevin Greene.....but at least let him loose to see what he can be.
Then if he fails fine.....move along, move along....he is not the droid we are looking for. (or maybe he is?)
He's had three years, and seven sacks. Pretty safe to say he isn't I think. But, he's under contract, he can cover well enough, I don't mind keeping him around for the final year.
He's had three years, and seven sacks. Pretty safe to say he isn't I think. But, he's under contract, he can cover well enough, I don't mind keeping him around for the final year.
exactly.... he has100 tackles and 7 sacks in 3 years....those are 1 year numbers for a top LB.....Should have way more tackles, but Ive seen him miss so many tackles it's not even funny anymore.....
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So if Johnny is charged and convicted he will probably serve at least a year suspension from the NFL. That year will not count against the contract with the Cleveland Browns and during that time, and at least some jail time, he will be able to make a serious attempt at reforming.
No cost to the Browns during the suspension. Returns to the Browns with a new lease on life and new attitude a la Josh Gordon.
WSS
So if Johnny is charged and convicted he will probably serve at least a year suspension from the NFL. That year will not count against the contract with the Cleveland Browns and during that time, and at least some jail time, he will be able to make a serious attempt at reforming.
No cost to the Browns during the suspension. Returns to the Browns with a new lease on life and new attitude a la Josh Gordon.
WSS
Best case from the browns POV.
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I think the Browns will still try to cut Johnny on March 9th asap, as there's a chance the NFL can put him on paid leave (or so I've read). If the league put him on paid leave we'd be unable to cut him and still be responsible for his salary.
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I think the Browns will still try to cut Johnny on March 9th asap, as there's a chance the NFL can put him on paid leave (or so I've read). If the league put him on paid leave we'd be unable to cut him and still be responsible for his salary.
I think the Browns will still try to cut Johnny on March 9th asap, as there's a chance the NFL can put him on paid leave (or so I've read). If the league put him on paid leave we'd be unable to cut him and still be responsible for his salary.
Paid leave? Is that a thing?
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Paid leave? Is that a thing?
WSS
I don't know the details, but I saw some articles saying it was a possibility for both McCoy beating up a cop and Manziel
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Paid leave? Is that a thing?
WSS
Like with AP, it was the commissioner's exempt list, or some shit like that.
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Well, my argument is that we don't know if he is or isn't that guy. Sure, he may not be as prolific as a Kevin Greene.....but at least let him loose to see what he can be.
Then if he fails fine.....move along, move along....he is not the droid we are looking for. (or maybe he is?)
He's had three years, and seven sacks. Pretty safe to say he isn't I think. But, he's under contract, he can cover well enough, I don't mind keeping him around for the final year.
He's had three years, and seven sacks. Pretty safe to say he isn't I think. But, he's under contract, he can cover well enough, I don't mind keeping him around for the final year.
Safer to say that we have no clue how well he could do as a pass rusher, since he has never been allowed to do it.
Let him loose to do that....and if he fails, then give up the ghost.
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He's had three years, and seven sacks. Pretty safe to say he isn't I think. But, he's under contract, he can cover well enough, I don't mind keeping him around for the final year.
Safer to say that we have no clue how well he could do as a pass rusher, since he has never been allowed to do it.
Let him loose to do that....and if he fails, then give up the ghost.
Safer to say that we have no clue how well he could do as a pass rusher, since he has never been allowed to do it.
Let him loose to do that....and if he fails, then give up the ghost.
OK, you go ahead and pin your hopes for the franchise on Mingo and a 3rd round QB. I'll just be over here thinking we need to get, you know, good players.
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Safer to say that we have no clue how well he could do as a pass rusher, since he has never been allowed to do it.
Let him loose to do that....and if he fails, then give up the ghost.
OK, you go ahead and pin your hopes for the franchise on Mingo and a 3rd round QB. I'll just be over here thinking we need to get, you know, good players.
OK, you go ahead and pin your hopes for the franchise on Mingo and a 3rd round QB. I'll just be over here thinking we need to get, you know, good players.
Right....Orchard clearly is the better LB and was able to get to the QB much easier....and is WAY better against the run, an area where Kruger and Mingo are pathetic, at best....and, in terms of pass rushing alone, AB - Kruger - Orchard are much much better than Mingo...
Mingo has rushed the passer plenty...though it may not seem that way because he never gets there....
We need another OLB to play opposite Orchard in the worst way......to me, it's priority #1 on the Defense....
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Safer to say that we have no clue how well he could do as a pass rusher, since he has never been allowed to do it.
Let him loose to do that....and if he fails, then give up the ghost.
OK, you go ahead and pin your hopes for the franchise on Mingo and a 3rd round QB. I'll just be over here thinking we need to get, you know, good players.
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OK, you go ahead and pin your hopes for the franchise on Mingo and a 3rd round QB. I'll just be over here thinking we need to get, you know, good players.
Right....Orchard clearly is the better LB and was able to get to the QB much easier....and is WAY better against the run, an area where Kruger and Mingo are pathetic, at best....and, in terms of pass rushing alone, AB - Kruger - Orchard are much much better than Mingo...
Mingo has rushed the passer plenty...though it may not seem that way because he never gets there....
We need another OLB to play opposite Orchard in the worst way......to me, it's priority #1 on the Defense....
Right....Orchard clearly is the better LB and was able to get to the QB much easier....and is WAY better against the run, an area where Kruger and Mingo are pathetic, at best....and, in terms of pass rushing alone, AB - Kruger - Orchard are much much better than Mingo...
Mingo has rushed the passer plenty...though it may not seem that way because he never gets there....
We need another OLB to play opposite Orchard in the worst way......to me, it's priority #1 on the Defense....
Or....we need Bosa. That would alleviate that.
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Right....Orchard clearly is the better LB and was able to get to the QB much easier....and is WAY better against the run, an area where Kruger and Mingo are pathetic, at best....and, in terms of pass rushing alone, AB - Kruger - Orchard are much much better than Mingo...
Mingo has rushed the passer plenty...though it may not seem that way because he never gets there....
We need another OLB to play opposite Orchard in the worst way......to me, it's priority #1 on the Defense....
Or....we need Bosa. That would alleviate that.
Or....we need Bosa. That would alleviate that.
What, in your dutiful analysis, points the to the fact that Joey Bosa would be the best fit for us.
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Or....we need Bosa. That would alleviate that.
What, in your dutiful analysis, points the to the fact that Joey Bosa would be the best fit for us.
What, in your dutiful analysis, points the to the fact that Joey Bosa would be the best fit for us.
We need a killer on defense. He is rated a more sure fire thing that even Clowney was coming out. While we have some OK DE's, I think he would be a vast improvement over what we have.
And you take the best player available (and hell...he may NOT be available)
I think the Browns biggest needs in this draft include QB, WR, ILB, and DL.
You know my view about these QBs.....late first round talent.
No ILB rates that high until you get to Ragland....who would be mid round talent.
No WR rates the #2. If we were drafting # 10 ish....OK.
If you could find a way to trade our #2 to where we could get 3 first rounders in the mid area, then I would like to see Ragland, Treadwell and one of the QBs......but find that trade.
Otherwise you take the players worthy of top 3: we don't need Tunsil.....the Tits do.
Jalen Ramsey? I would rather keep the known commodity in Gipson.
So Bosa, BPA, fits best.
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