Camp Lynch
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It's unlikely anyone picks Lynch up in the top ten.
But, I can't see us trading back and still taking a qb. If they think there is *the* QB to have, they won't hesitate to take him.
Im with you on both counts....and have said this before.....if "the guy" is there, you take him....period.
But, this year, if he's not....Id prefer they just pass on taking their "project" in the 2nd or 3rd, cause we need so many players.....just tap the best overall players with the first 3 or 4 picks, then grab your project QB later.....
Cause pick #32 might as well be pick #22 and I dont want to burn another late first round pick on a Weeden, Quinn or Manziel...we cant afford to keep doing that...
Im with you on both counts....and have said this before.....if "the guy" is there, you take him....period.
But, this year, if he's not....Id prefer they just pass on taking their "project" in the 2nd or 3rd, cause we need so many players.....just tap the best overall players with the first 3 or 4 picks, then grab your project QB later.....
Cause pick #32 might as well be pick #22 and I dont want to burn another late first round pick on a Weeden, Quinn or Manziel...we cant afford to keep doing that...
I agree. Get the guy or bust. I wouldn't want to see them take a flyer on a shaky QB prospect with a 2nd or 3rd rounder just because. If their guy is there they need to get him, but otherwise I'd rather not draft a QB at all.
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Is it more likely that the browns trade down and pick up lynch in the top 10 rather than at number 2?
It's unlikely anyone picks Lynch up in the top ten.
But, I can't see us trading back and still taking a qb. If they think there is *the* QB to have, they won't hesitate to take him.
It's unlikely anyone picks Lynch up in the top ten.
But, I can't see us trading back and still taking a qb. If they think there is *the* QB to have, they won't hesitate to take him.
Agreed entirely.
And I'll add that even though I'm in Camp Goff and feel very confident there, if the FO doesn't draft a QB I trust them enough to figure it's because the right guy isn't in this draft.
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I believe lynch has the talent and the physical gifts to be selected as the number 2 overall pick by the browns. Goff lacks even modest arm strength to be blunt. Carson Wentz and Lynch I believe are the type of QB the browns are looking for. That being said we can pretty much rule out Goff. Lynch had one of the most effective deep balls in CFB last year has shown constant improvement his whole college career. I've watched every video of each of the top 3 on draftbreakdown and i can honestly say lynch outperforms wentz on tape. not to say Goff doesn't look like a fine QB but in my observation he looked a bit "weak" to put it lightly. Really soft player. Fantastic! with a clean pocket but can react poorly when pressured. when goff is asked to rely on his arm is when he is at his worst. But with proper strength training and probably a year maybe two on the bench he could be a great QB. Biggest concern with Wentz over lynch is Wentz has a history of injury to his throwing arm which is concerning.
A stellar perfomance from Lynch in the Combine and a good pro day and we could easily see him as the next QB for the Browns|
To be completely honest this draft is shaping to have 3 QB selected in the top 15. From a supposed "weak" QB class. Food for thought -
I believe lynch has the talent and the physical gifts to be selected as the number 2 overall pick by the browns. Goff lacks even modest arm strength to be blunt. Carson Wentz and Lynch I believe are the type of QB the browns are looking for. That being said we can pretty much rule out Goff. Lynch had one of the most effective deep balls in CFB last year has shown constant improvement his whole college career. I've watched every video of each of the top 3 on draftbreakdown and i can honestly say lynch outperforms wentz on tape. not to say Goff doesn't look like a fine QB but in my observation he looked a bit "weak" to put it lightly. Really soft player. Fantastic! with a clean pocket but can react poorly when pressured. when goff is asked to rely on his arm is when he is at his worst. But with proper strength training and probably a year maybe two on the bench he could be a great QB. Biggest concern with Wentz over lynch is Wentz has a history of injury to his throwing arm which is concerning.
A stellar perfomance from Lynch in the Combine and a good pro day and we could easily see him as the next QB for the Browns|
To be completely honest this draft is shaping to have 3 QB selected in the top 15. From a supposed "weak" QB class. Food for thoughtI believe lynch has the talent and the physical gifts to be selected as the number 2 overall pick by the browns. Goff lacks even modest arm strength to be blunt. Carson Wentz and Lynch I believe are the type of QB the browns are looking for. That being said we can pretty much rule out Goff. Lynch had one of the most effective deep balls in CFB last year has shown constant improvement his whole college career. I've watched every video of each of the top 3 on draftbreakdown and i can honestly say lynch outperforms wentz on tape. not to say Goff doesn't look like a fine QB but in my observation he looked a bit "weak" to put it lightly. Really soft player. Fantastic! with a clean pocket but can react poorly when pressured. when goff is asked to rely on his arm is when he is at his worst. But with proper strength training and probably a year maybe two on the bench he could be a great QB. Biggest concern with Wentz over lynch is Wentz has a history of injury to his throwing arm which is concerning.
A stellar perfomance from Lynch in the Combine and a good pro day and we could easily see him as the next QB for the Browns|
To be completely honest this draft is shaping to have 3 QB selected in the top 15. From a supposed "weak" QB class. Food for thought
Yes, I have said, these QBs will be overdrafted. This could be a Jake Locker, Blaine Gabbert Christian Ponder kind of year.
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Never say never... anyone still playing FirstPick has seen a shift in the game's Top Ten action.
There are scenarios where the competition among teams who have franchise QBs on their roster get in competition for top position players. Someone wins, takes a player and the previous bidders for another position compete for the next pick. Some team misses, but has a close #2 at the position taken and is now afraid they'll miss both their guys. Should one of the latter gain the next pick, then suddenly you have a budding run on a position.
And the beat goes on...
The above opens a path to moving back a few spots and still getting "our QB"... whomever, it may be. The above is certainly helped by having two or more QBs rated equally, a situation I do not see, but understand may be the case.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Never say never... anyone still playing FirstPick has seen a shift in the game's Top Ten action.
There are scenarios where the competition among teams who have franchise QBs on their roster get in competition for top position players. Someone wins, takes a player and the previous bidders for another position compete for the next pick. Some team misses, but has a close #2 at the position taken and is now afraid they'll miss both their guys. Should one of the latter gain the next pick, then suddenly you have a budding run on a position.
And the beat goes on...
The above opens a path to moving back a few spots and still getting "our QB"... whomever, it may be. The above is certainly helped by having two or more QBs rated equally, a situation I do not see, but understand may be the case.
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but one of the top 3 may not be "the" qb
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or fan perception and hype is guiding mock drafts rather that talent evaluation...ya know...
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or fan perception and hype is guiding mock drafts rather that talent evaluation...ya know...
or fan perception and hype is guiding mock drafts rather that talent evaluation...ya know...
Thats a good possibility too.......after all, it is fans playing the game....
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Welp we have moved back in the draft and picking lynch is a pretty clear possibility so i thought i would bring this topic back to the first page. With number 8 or 32 the browns could very well have the qb of the future. I would love to see us take him at 32 but most experts have him going in the early to mid 1st. If we want him we wont be missing out on too much to take him at 8. Especially considering we have future picks to build with including multiple 1st rounders. Not as huge of a risk to take a prototype QB.
Our coach/team has met with lynch more than the other qb prospects anyway so could be a tell.
Personally i thought wentz == lynch in terms of development time anyway so again this is a pretty low risk pick.
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VesnaKociper said:
Well, one thing is for certain, if the Browns take Lynch at #8, Sashi was in Camp Ghoolie all along.
Camp Ghoolie? Can I find that on this website?
http://www.purenudism.net/Nudist_Clubs_Resorts/USA/Tennessee/TN.html
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Finally watched Paxton's Gruden last nite... Pleasant guy, but something just was "off".
- Overlooked that he played in a Steeler uniform as a kid... easier for me than some here.
- Bugged me more that he did not know the scores of big games Memphis had won. I can remember my best rounds of golf on my home course and , for lack of a better term, most memorable rounds on famous courses like St Andrews, virtually shot for shot... and most of those were 20 or so years ago.
- Was a little goofy, but every QB was to some degree this season... except maybe Cardale. For the most part the younger QBs were more nervous... maturity factor maybe tempering their nerves and reaction to Chuckie. He did relax as episode unrolled.
Then it hit me... intensity... fire... I just did not sense it. I just did not see it.
Then there was the outside work. Unlike even Cardale when Gruden asked for quicker, Paxton simply could not get quicker. And unlike some (Wheezy) it was not his release, that is not bad for a tall QB. It's actually fairly compact. It's his feet and shoulders and getting his arm into throwing position. They can't do "quick". Game tape review just now confirmed this. Pro DBs are going to jump routes on him big time. There are some signs of him processing a defense, but not that many and not that fast.
I can see why Ghoulie likes PL... game tape is Derek Carr revisited. Memphis' offense seemed very reminiscent of Fresno St.'s. But Derek had the quickness to bring his game to the Pros. He can snap to position to throw to a secondary WR. On the few occasions I saw Paxton revert to a 2nd, he tended to launch from wherever his platform was pointed at the time and accuracy suffered. Mostly this was on the move masking the problem, but it's there.
I saw one snap early vs. Memphis when he sat in a clean pocket in the middle of the field bouncing on his toes. Unfortunately he threw short to the near hash without resetting just that little bit, maybe 15 degrees tops, and ended up throwing behind his open TE.
In summary I see a guy with no twitch (as in quick) or itch (as in to be great at the next level).
So there it is... my take.
Let me have it Ghoulie...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
And just to show Ghoulie there's no hard feelings...
I make to him this offer of Ghoulie-porn...
Why Paxton Lynch is the best QB prospect in the draft, period
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VesnaKociper said:
Well, one thing is for certain, if the Browns take Lynch at #8, Sashi was in Camp Ghoolie all along.
If the Browns take Lynch- I'll buy you a beer- but you're going to have to drive to Nashville to collect on it.
Personally, as of today, The Hoorta is in Camp Elliot- but if he's off the board, I'm in camp BPA. Fer sure, I'll be parked in front of the Big Screen with a large quantity of wine and munchies Thursday.
I'm not in favor of any further trade-downs unless Sashi gets a truly stupid offer from another team like the Eagles just gifted us.
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I've always thought that Paxton Lynch was better than Wentz. But I like Goff far more than either of them.
I'm sure it's a combination of Ghoulie's ranting, some favourable game tape, a couple of articles, the Browns recent QB history AND my disappointment at being out of the Goff sweepstakes... But I find I'm coming around on Lynch.
I will say that if the Browns somehow end up with Lynch (whether it be at eight or otherwise), I have enough confidence in this coaching staff and their decision to draft him.
Thursday can't come soon enough.
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