Brian Orakpo
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I think he's going to be a beast in the 4-3 at DE but isn't going to be anything better than average if he moves to olb.
It's a gut feeling.
I don't want him in the 3-4.
I think he's going to be a beast in the 4-3 at DE but isn't going to be anything better than average if he moves to olb.
It's a gut feeling.
I don't want him in the 3-4.
I don't really share that concern. One of the most impressive things about the Colorado game clip above is how Orakpo runs step for step with RB-WR Darrell Scott on the trick play. Scott's a freshman who came out of high school running a 4.4 40. The more I watch of Orakpo, the more I see the absolutely freakish second gear he can use when he wants to (which, admittedly, he should be criticized for not using enough).
As that clip shows, he needs to work on his ball-tracking skills. But he reportedly looked great in LB drills at his pro day, and I haven't seen him have trouble making tackles in the open field.
I guess people are more concerned now about 3-4 OLB conversion because of Gholston's problems, but I think Orakpo is a much more flexible & fluid athlete than Gholston. He shows better hip bend when rushing the passer and - I think - will have an easier time transitioning to a new position.
I've heard people like NFL Network's Charles Davis caution that you may not want to draft Orakpo to play 3-4 OLB because, like LaMarr Woodley, it may take him some time to adjust to the new position. But if he's as good in year two as LaMarr Woodley was this year, why the hell wouldn't you take him at #5?
If both Orakpo and Crabtree are still available when we pick at #5, I'd have a very hard time choosing between those two guys.
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I think he's going to be a beast in the 4-3 at DE but isn't going to be anything better than average if he moves to olb.
It's a gut feeling.
I don't want him in the 3-4.
I don't really share that concern. One of the most impressive things about the Colorado game clip above is how Orakpo runs step for step with RB-WR Darrell Scott on the trick play. Scott's a freshman who came out of high school running a 4.4 40. The more I watch of Orakpo, the more I see the absolutely freakish second gear he can use when he wants to (which, admittedly, he should be criticized for not using enough).
As that clip shows, he needs to work on his ball-tracking skills. But he reportedly looked great in LB drills at his pro day, and I haven't seen him have trouble making tackles in the open field.
I guess people are more concerned now about 3-4 OLB conversion because of Gholston's problems, but I think Orakpo is a much more flexible & fluid athlete than Gholston. He shows better hip bend when rushing the passer and - I think - will have an easier time transitioning to a new position.
I've heard people like NFL Network's Charles Davis caution that you may not want to draft Orakpo to play 3-4 OLB because, like LaMarr Woodley, it may take him some time to adjust to the new position. But if he's as good in year two as LaMarr Woodley was this year, why the hell wouldn't you take him at #5?
If both Orakpo and Crabtree are still available when we pick at #5, I'd have a very hard time choosing between those two guys.
Aloysius said:
If both Orakpo and Crabtree are still available when we pick at #5, I'd have a very hard time choosing between those two guys.No you wouldn't Aloy....You know you'd go defense.....C'mon, just admit it!
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I think he's going to be a beast in the 4-3 at DE but isn't going to be anything better than average if he moves to olb.
It's a gut feeling.
I don't want him in the 3-4.
I don't really share that concern. One of the most impressive things about the Colorado game clip above is how Orakpo runs step for step with RB-WR Darrell Scott on the trick play. Scott's a freshman who came out of high school running a 4.4 40. The more I watch of Orakpo, the more I see the absolutely freakish second gear he can use when he wants to (which, admittedly, he should be criticized for not using enough).
As that clip shows, he needs to work on his ball-tracking skills. But he reportedly looked great in LB drills at his pro day, and I haven't seen him have trouble making tackles in the open field.
I guess people are more concerned now about 3-4 OLB conversion because of Gholston's problems, but I think Orakpo is a much more flexible & fluid athlete than Gholston. He shows better hip bend when rushing the passer and - I think - will have an easier time transitioning to a new position.
I've heard people like NFL Network's Charles Davis caution that you may not want to draft Orakpo to play 3-4 OLB because, like LaMarr Woodley, it may take him some time to adjust to the new position. But if he's as good in year two as LaMarr Woodley was this year, why the hell wouldn't you take him at #5?
If both Orakpo and Crabtree are still available when we pick at #5, I'd have a very hard time choosing between those two guys.
Aloysius said:
I don't really share that concern. One of the most impressive things about the Colorado game clip above is how Orakpo runs step for step with RB-WR Darrell Scott on the trick play. Scott's a freshman who came out of high school running a 4.4 40. The more I watch of Orakpo, the more I see the absolutely freakish second gear he can use when he wants to (which, admittedly, he should be criticized for not using enough).As that clip shows, he needs to work on his ball-tracking skills. But he reportedly looked great in LB drills at his pro day, and I haven't seen him have trouble making tackles in the open field.
I guess people are more concerned now about 3-4 OLB conversion because of Gholston's problems, but I think Orakpo is a much more flexible & fluid athlete than Gholston. He shows better hip bend when rushing the passer and - I think - will have an easier time transitioning to a new position.
I've heard people like NFL Network's Charles Davis caution that you may not want to draft Orakpo to play 3-4 OLB because, like LaMarr Woodley, it may take him some time to adjust to the new position. But if he's as good in year two as LaMarr Woodley was this year, why the hell wouldn't you take him at #5?
If both Orakpo and Crabtree are still available when we pick at #5, I'd have a very hard time choosing between those two guys.
Okay my friend, no sitting on the fense. Orakpo, Crabtree, Raji or trade down? come on, who would make the biggest impact or be the biggest difference maker for the Browns? Personally, I am a little torn myself, but I've stated Crabtree because of our WR situation and the value of OLBs later in the draft. Selecting, not knowing what would be available your next pick if you passed on a guy or who's the best player available player for this team with our needs and limited draft picks is a tough call.
Your opinion is appreciated and could start a nice thread. Got to keep it real with what we have. We can't specualte that we get two more picks by trading Edwards or Quinn or any of that off the wall stuff. How would Orakpo fit with Wimbley and how would Crabtree fit with Edwards. who would make the biggest impact?
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I'm legitimately on the fence here...though Mr. Crow knows well that, when it doubt, I'm going to go defense.
Still need to see more of Crabtree before deciding which guy I like more. As of now, I'd probably go with Osackpo.
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I am very leary of Orakpo. 1st rounders, expecially defenders, have not worked out well recently.
2008 - Sweed to PIT. So far, jury is out. But he don't look like a guy that will break out to me.
2007 - Griffin to TEN. Started to come around last year with the picks on that all around good TEN. Let's see what he does this year with Haynsworth missing on that D.
2007 - Ross to NYG. Has done a decent job. But for where he was taken, you'd think he'd do better than Wright, who was taken in round 2.
2006 - Young to TEN. Nothing needs to be said.
2006 - Huff to OAK. Really hasn't done much. Has some tackles, but 1 sack and 1 INT in 3 years.
2005 - Benson to CHI. Nothing needs to be said.
2005 - Johnson to KC. Really hasn't shown to be anything but average at LB.
So in the last 4 drafts, that is 7 guys taken in the 1st round. Of them, only 2 have shown much of anything, and it really isn't a whole lot they have shown. That isn't exactly a good track record for guys coming from their to the pros.
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I am very leary of Orakpo. 1st rounders, expecially defenders, have not worked out well recently.
2008 - Sweed to PIT. So far, jury is out. But he don't look like a guy that will break out to me.
2007 - Griffin to TEN. Started to come around last year with the picks on that all around good TEN. Let's see what he does this year with Haynsworth missing on that D.
2007 - Ross to NYG. Has done a decent job. But for where he was taken, you'd think he'd do better than Wright, who was taken in round 2.
2006 - Young to TEN. Nothing needs to be said.
2006 - Huff to OAK. Really hasn't done much. Has some tackles, but 1 sack and 1 INT in 3 years.
2005 - Benson to CHI. Nothing needs to be said.
2005 - Johnson to KC. Really hasn't shown to be anything but average at LB.
So in the last 4 drafts, that is 7 guys taken in the 1st round. Of them, only 2 have shown much of anything, and it really isn't a whole lot they have shown. That isn't exactly a good track record for guys coming from their to the pros.
Masters said:
I am very leary of Orakpo. 1st rounders, expecially defenders, have not worked out well recently.2008 - Sweed to PIT. So far, jury is out. But he don't look like a guy that will break out to me.
2007 - Griffin to TEN. Started to come around last year with the picks on that all around good TEN. Let's see what he does this year with Haynsworth missing on that D.
2007 - Ross to NYG. Has done a decent job. But for where he was taken, you'd think he'd do better than Wright, who was taken in round 2.
2006 - Young to TEN. Nothing needs to be said.
2006 - Huff to OAK. Really hasn't done much. Has some tackles, but 1 sack and 1 INT in 3 years.
2005 - Benson to CHI. Nothing needs to be said.
2005 - Johnson to KC. Really hasn't shown to be anything but average at LB.
So in the last 4 drafts, that is 7 guys taken in the 1st round. Of them, only 2 have shown much of anything, and it really isn't a whole lot they have shown. That isn't exactly a good track record for guys coming from their to the pros.
Limas Sweed was not a first rounder. He went in the second round. Of course, if you want to go further back you have Casey Hampton, Roy Williams and Shaun Rogers (a second rounder).
I'm a Texas alum and even I would not be enough of a homer to say that you're wrong. I think however, that to say that you wouldn't pick a guy from Texas because of this list is like saying you wouldn't pick an OSU player because of Maurice Clarett or Vernon Gholston. Brian Orakpo is probably the best defensive player that the Longhorns have had in ten years. I don't know that this makes him a 34 OLB. I just can't help but see 43 DE written all over him. I could be wrong.
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I'm legitimately on the fence here...though Mr. Crow knows well that, when it doubt, I'm going to go defense.
Still need to see more of Crabtree before deciding which guy I like more. As of now, I'd probably go with Osackpo.
Aloysius said:
I'm legitimately on the fence here...though Mr. Crow knows well that, when it doubt, I'm going to go defense.
Still need to see more of Crabtree before deciding which guy I like more. As of now, I'd probably go with Osackpo.
Okay, so we're both saying we would trade down...........................LOL
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Masters said:
I am very leary of Orakpo. 1st rounders, expecially defenders, have not worked out well recently.2008 - Sweed to PIT. So far, jury is out. But he don't look like a guy that will break out to me.
2007 - Griffin to TEN. Started to come around last year with the picks on that all around good TEN. Let's see what he does this year with Haynsworth missing on that D.
2007 - Ross to NYG. Has done a decent job. But for where he was taken, you'd think he'd do better than Wright, who was taken in round 2.
2006 - Young to TEN. Nothing needs to be said.
2006 - Huff to OAK. Really hasn't done much. Has some tackles, but 1 sack and 1 INT in 3 years.
2005 - Benson to CHI. Nothing needs to be said.
2005 - Johnson to KC. Really hasn't shown to be anything but average at LB.
So in the last 4 drafts, that is 7 guys taken in the 1st round. Of them, only 2 have shown much of anything, and it really isn't a whole lot they have shown. That isn't exactly a good track record for guys coming from their to the pros.
Limas Sweed was not a first rounder. He went in the second round. Of course, if you want to go further back you have Casey Hampton, Roy Williams and Shaun Rogers (a second rounder).
I'm a Texas alum and even I would not be enough of a homer to say that you're wrong. I think however, that to say that you wouldn't pick a guy from Texas because of this list is like saying you wouldn't pick an OSU player because of Maurice Clarett or Vernon Gholston. Brian Orakpo is probably the best defensive player that the Longhorns have had in ten years. I don't know that this makes him a 34 OLB. I just can't help but see 43 DE written all over him. I could be wrong.
Limas Sweed was not a first rounder. He went in the second round. Of course, if you want to go further back you have Casey Hampton, Roy Williams and Shaun Rogers (a second rounder).
I'm a Texas alum and even I would not be enough of a homer to say that you're wrong. I think however, that to say that you wouldn't pick a guy from Texas because of this list is like saying you wouldn't pick an OSU player because of Maurice Clarett or Vernon Gholston. Brian Orakpo is probably the best defensive player that the Longhorns have had in ten years. I don't know that this makes him a 34 OLB. I just can't help but see 43 DE written all over him. I could be wrong.
You are right on Sweed. My bad.
I am not saying I wouldn't pick him solely on that reason. Only that it make me leary of some of the hype players get coming out of Texas, as a high 1st round talent. They haven't been living up to the expectation.
What you said at the end is another reason I am leary of him. He could fail as a 3-4 OLB, but that doesn't mean he wouldn't have been pretty good if he got to play as a 4-3 end. Sometimes a players failure has as much to do with what he was asked to do as lack of ability.
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Limas Sweed was not a first rounder. He went in the second round. Of course, if you want to go further back you have Casey Hampton, Roy Williams and Shaun Rogers (a second rounder).
I'm a Texas alum and even I would not be enough of a homer to say that you're wrong. I think however, that to say that you wouldn't pick a guy from Texas because of this list is like saying you wouldn't pick an OSU player because of Maurice Clarett or Vernon Gholston. Brian Orakpo is probably the best defensive player that the Longhorns have had in ten years. I don't know that this makes him a 34 OLB. I just can't help but see 43 DE written all over him. I could be wrong.
You are right on Sweed. My bad.
I am not saying I wouldn't pick him solely on that reason. Only that it make me leary of some of the hype players get coming out of Texas, as a high 1st round talent. They haven't been living up to the expectation.
What you said at the end is another reason I am leary of him. He could fail as a 3-4 OLB, but that doesn't mean he wouldn't have been pretty good if he got to play as a 4-3 end. Sometimes a players failure has as much to do with what he was asked to do as lack of ability.
Masters said:
You are right on Sweed. My bad.I am not saying I wouldn't pick him solely on that reason. Only that it make me leary of some of the hype players get coming out of Texas, as a high 1st round talent. They haven't been living up to the expectation.
What you said at the end is another reason I am leary of him. He could fail as a 3-4 OLB, but that doesn't mean he wouldn't have been pretty good if he got to play as a 4-3 end. Sometimes a players failure has as much to do with what he was asked to do as lack of ability.
Agreed. I think that you can ask a player to switch positions but it's up to you to know if he can. I think that there are plenty of guys out there who failed at the first stop but found their groove somewhere else. That would bother me quite a bit. I hope I am wrong on Orakpo because, at his best, he's a monster. I think it'd be much nicer though if Curry fell out to us. He's a much safer pick it would seem.
I am surprised that there isn't a lot of talk in the media about Crabtree to Cleveland. I have seen this guy play a bunch and while some of his numbers are system driven...this dude looks as much like Michael Irvin on the field as anybody I've seen in a while. He reminds me of Roy Williams but with better football instincts.
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Masters said:
You are right on Sweed. My bad.I am not saying I wouldn't pick him solely on that reason. Only that it make me leary of some of the hype players get coming out of Texas, as a high 1st round talent. They haven't been living up to the expectation.
What you said at the end is another reason I am leary of him. He could fail as a 3-4 OLB, but that doesn't mean he wouldn't have been pretty good if he got to play as a 4-3 end. Sometimes a players failure has as much to do with what he was asked to do as lack of ability.
Agreed. I think that you can ask a player to switch positions but it's up to you to know if he can. I think that there are plenty of guys out there who failed at the first stop but found their groove somewhere else. That would bother me quite a bit. I hope I am wrong on Orakpo because, at his best, he's a monster. I think it'd be much nicer though if Curry fell out to us. He's a much safer pick it would seem.
I am surprised that there isn't a lot of talk in the media about Crabtree to Cleveland. I have seen this guy play a bunch and while some of his numbers are system driven...this dude looks as much like Michael Irvin on the field as anybody I've seen in a while. He reminds me of Roy Williams but with better football instincts.
Agreed. I think that you can ask a player to switch positions but it's up to you to know if he can. I think that there are plenty of guys out there who failed at the first stop but found their groove somewhere else. That would bother me quite a bit. I hope I am wrong on Orakpo because, at his best, he's a monster. I think it'd be much nicer though if Curry fell out to us. He's a much safer pick it would seem.
I am surprised that there isn't a lot of talk in the media about Crabtree to Cleveland. I have seen this guy play a bunch and while some of his numbers are system driven...this dude looks as much like Michael Irvin on the field as anybody I've seen in a while. He reminds me of Roy Williams but with better football instincts.
It would be great if Curry fell to CLE. He is the safe pick, and still hasn't hit his ceiling.
I am and not surprised about the media talking about Crabtree in CLE. They are being completely kept in the dark by the new Browns management. CLE could very well have their sights actually sent on Crabtree, with the future of BE in doubt, one way or another. I agree with you on Crabtree. While his numbers may be some what system driven, they are still huge. It isn't like he wasn't still ending up w/ the other teams best CB lined up against him. If anything, playing in that system just showed that you can't cover him one on one.
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Agreed. I think that you can ask a player to switch positions but it's up to you to know if he can. I think that there are plenty of guys out there who failed at the first stop but found their groove somewhere else. That would bother me quite a bit. I hope I am wrong on Orakpo because, at his best, he's a monster. I think it'd be much nicer though if Curry fell out to us. He's a much safer pick it would seem.
I am surprised that there isn't a lot of talk in the media about Crabtree to Cleveland. I have seen this guy play a bunch and while some of his numbers are system driven...this dude looks as much like Michael Irvin on the field as anybody I've seen in a while. He reminds me of Roy Williams but with better football instincts.
It would be great if Curry fell to CLE. He is the safe pick, and still hasn't hit his ceiling.
I am and not surprised about the media talking about Crabtree in CLE. They are being completely kept in the dark by the new Browns management. CLE could very well have their sights actually sent on Crabtree, with the future of BE in doubt, one way or another. I agree with you on Crabtree. While his numbers may be some what system driven, they are still huge. It isn't like he wasn't still ending up w/ the other teams best CB lined up against him. If anything, playing in that system just showed that you can't cover him one on one.
Masters said:
It would be great if Curry fell to CLE. He is the safe pick, and still hasn't hit his ceiling.I am and not surprised about the media talking about Crabtree in CLE. They are being completely kept in the dark by the new Browns management. CLE could very well have their sights actually sent on Crabtree, with the future of BE in doubt, one way or another. I agree with you on Crabtree. While his numbers may be some what system driven, they are still huge. It isn't like he wasn't still ending up w/ the other teams best CB lined up against him. If anything, playing in that system just showed that you can't cover him one on one.
Buzz is Philly and Giants want to move up for Crabtree. I'd like to accomadate Philly with those two first round picks.
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