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  • W Westside Steve

    Actually I don't care about this case but I do not think that inflammatory speech is just grounds for physical violence.

    There might be some sort of mitigation in court but nope, I ain't buying it.

    WSS

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    C Clevfan4life wrote on last edited by
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    @westside-steve said:

    Actually I don't care about this case but I do not think that inflammatory speech is just grounds for physical violence.

    There might be some sort of mitigation in court but nope, I ain't buying it.

    WSS

    If i was a dad who went to see his daughter at college and we took a walk, and that "preacher" (i use that term loosely cause he aint' no man of no god), directed some of those comments at me or my daughter....that video would have been of the police arresting me. I honestly see no cause for any modicum of restraint to someone who takes it upon himself to conduct themselves in public like that. You can have your free speech "IF" and only "IF" people are allowed to pummel you for it. You can't claim free speech but then expect to have protections against assault. This is just the world of grown ass men. If you're grown ass enough to talk some shit, be prepared to back it up when someone's had enough and don't go spilling out of your bleeding vagina when it happens.

    I don't understand people's need to talk shit to other people they don't know. If i'm walking to my classroom why should i be subjected to someone's insults or vulgar shouts? If they wanna do it fine, but why should they be then protected from harm? It's like you guys wanna say what you wanna say but you're not grown up enough to accept that there's sometimes some real consequences to saying/doing what you feel like. BUt if you want a civil society that isn't a street fight around every corner, than people have to be accept some limitations to what they say in public. Now if it's your own medium..than you should be able to say whatever you want. If you have your own radio or tv show, than people can choose to listen or not. But protecting the speech of people who go out in public and subject unsuspecting folk to their stupid bullshit? And that standard goes for occupy wall st people too who some of them would get in the face of whatever suit they saw not knowing anything about him. Protesting something is ok, but directly targeting people you know nothing about and assuming they're part of whatever subset of society you're annoyed with that day...that's horseshit and shouldn't be allowed otherwise things are gonna get ugly.

    Like i always thought to myself i can't wait for the day someone pulls into an abortion clinic and protesters start banging on their car and throwing shit on it....i hope said person guns it. There's no reason anybody should have to tolerate that for the simple act of pulling into a parking lot. If you got in the way of their car as it pulled forward that's on you. Same thing with these black lives matter protesters who blocked random cars in teh middle of the road and are seemingly berating any white faces they see in cars, wtf is that? Hit the gas, it's on them if they get in the way. I do seem to remember you guys being irritated with some video's iike that.....but obviously don't hear much about that exact same behavior when it happens outside of abortion clinics and it's white people in the street.

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      MLD WoodyM MLD Woody wrote on last edited by
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      preachers on campus were annoying as shit

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        @westside-steve said:

        Actually I don't care about this case but I do not think that inflammatory speech is just grounds for physical violence.

        There might be some sort of mitigation in court but nope, I ain't buying it.

        WSS

        If i was a dad who went to see his daughter at college and we took a walk, and that "preacher" (i use that term loosely cause he aint' no man of no god), directed some of those comments at me or my daughter....that video would have been of the police arresting me. I honestly see no cause for any modicum of restraint to someone who takes it upon himself to conduct themselves in public like that. You can have your free speech "IF" and only "IF" people are allowed to pummel you for it. You can't claim free speech but then expect to have protections against assault. This is just the world of grown ass men. If you're grown ass enough to talk some shit, be prepared to back it up when someone's had enough and don't go spilling out of your bleeding vagina when it happens.

        I don't understand people's need to talk shit to other people they don't know. If i'm walking to my classroom why should i be subjected to someone's insults or vulgar shouts? If they wanna do it fine, but why should they be then protected from harm? It's like you guys wanna say what you wanna say but you're not grown up enough to accept that there's sometimes some real consequences to saying/doing what you feel like. BUt if you want a civil society that isn't a street fight around every corner, than people have to be accept some limitations to what they say in public. Now if it's your own medium..than you should be able to say whatever you want. If you have your own radio or tv show, than people can choose to listen or not. But protecting the speech of people who go out in public and subject unsuspecting folk to their stupid bullshit? And that standard goes for occupy wall st people too who some of them would get in the face of whatever suit they saw not knowing anything about him. Protesting something is ok, but directly targeting people you know nothing about and assuming they're part of whatever subset of society you're annoyed with that day...that's horseshit and shouldn't be allowed otherwise things are gonna get ugly.

        Like i always thought to myself i can't wait for the day someone pulls into an abortion clinic and protesters start banging on their car and throwing shit on it....i hope said person guns it. There's no reason anybody should have to tolerate that for the simple act of pulling into a parking lot. If you got in the way of their car as it pulled forward that's on you. Same thing with these black lives matter protesters who blocked random cars in teh middle of the road and are seemingly berating any white faces they see in cars, wtf is that? Hit the gas, it's on them if they get in the way. I do seem to remember you guys being irritated with some video's iike that.....but obviously don't hear much about that exact same behavior when it happens outside of abortion clinics and it's white people in the street.

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        @clevfan4life said:

        If i was a dad who went to see his daughter at college and we took a walk, and that "preacher" (i use that term loosely cause he aint' no man of no god), directed some of those comments at me or my daughter....that video would have been of the police arresting me. I honestly see no cause for any modicum of restraint to someone who takes it upon himself to conduct themselves in public like that. You can have your free speech "IF" and only "IF" people are allowed to pummel you for it. You can't claim free speech but then expect to have protections against assault. This is just the world of grown ass men. If you're grown ass enough to talk some shit, be prepared to back it up when someone's had enough and don't go spilling out of your bleeding vagina when it happens.

        I don't understand people's need to talk shit to other people they don't know. If i'm walking to my classroom why should i be subjected to someone's insults or vulgar shouts? If they wanna do it fine, but why should they be then protected from harm? It's like you guys wanna say what you wanna say but you're not grown up enough to accept that there's sometimes some real consequences to saying/doing what you feel like. BUt if you want a civil society that isn't a street fight around every corner, than people have to be accept some limitations to what they say in public. Now if it's your own medium..than you should be able to say whatever you want. If you have your own radio or tv show, than people can choose to listen or not. But protecting the speech of people who go out in public and subject unsuspecting folk to their stupid bullshit? And that standard goes for occupy wall st people too who some of them would get in the face of whatever suit they saw not knowing anything about him. Protesting something is ok, but directly targeting people you know nothing about and assuming they're part of whatever subset of society you're annoyed with that day...that's horseshit and shouldn't be allowed otherwise things are gonna get ugly.

        Like i always thought to myself i can't wait for the day someone pulls into an abortion clinic and protesters start banging on their car and throwing shit on it....i hope said person guns it. There's no reason anybody should have to tolerate that for the simple act of pulling into a parking lot. If you got in the way of their car as it pulled forward that's on you. Same thing with these black lives matter protesters who blocked random cars in teh middle of the road and are seemingly berating any white faces they see in cars, wtf is that? Hit the gas, it's on them if they get in the way. I do seem to remember you guys being irritated with some video's iike that.....but obviously don't hear much about that exact same behavior when it happens outside of abortion clinics and it's white people in the street.

        Oh no abortion clinics. Tell you what tough guy when those white mobs burned down the entire neighborhood, kill a few people smash windows and loot businesses up and down the street from the abortion clinic call me.

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          preachers on campus were annoying as shit

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          @mld-woody said:

          preachers on campus were annoying as shit

          Did it cause microaggression?

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            http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2016/02/12/preacher-hit-with-disorderly-conduct-citation-by-college-campus-its-the-reason-officer-gives-that-has-the-video-going-viral/

            feign
            fān/
            verb
            1. pretend to be affected by (a feeling, state, or injury).
              "she feigned nervousness"
              synonyms: simulate, fake, sham, affect, give the appearance of, make a pretense ofMore
              • archaic
                invent (a story or excuse).
              • archaic
                indulge in pretense.
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            OldBrownsFanO OldBrownsFan wrote on last edited by
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            @calfoxwc said:

            http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2016/02/12/preacher-hit-with-disorderly-conduct-citation-by-college-campus-its-the-reason-officer-gives-that-has-the-video-going-viral/

            feign
            fān/
            verb
            1. pretend to be affected by (a feeling, state, or injury).
              "she feigned nervousness"
              synonyms: simulate, fake, sham, affect, give the appearance of, make a pretense ofMore
              • archaic
                invent (a story or excuse).
              • archaic
                indulge in pretense.

            Thankful for the wisdom of the founding fathers of this country and the constitution and bill of rights. Why is it that it is almost always liberals who have problems with our constitution?

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              @calfoxwc said:

              http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2016/02/12/preacher-hit-with-disorderly-conduct-citation-by-college-campus-its-the-reason-officer-gives-that-has-the-video-going-viral/

              feign
              fān/
              verb
              1. pretend to be affected by (a feeling, state, or injury).
                "she feigned nervousness"
                synonyms: simulate, fake, sham, affect, give the appearance of, make a pretense ofMore
                • archaic
                  invent (a story or excuse).
                • archaic
                  indulge in pretense.

              Thankful for the wisdom of the founding fathers of this country and the constitution and bill of rights. Why is it that it is almost always liberals who have problems with our constitution?

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              LogicIsForSquaresL LogicIsForSquares wrote on last edited by
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              @oldbrownsfan said:

              Thankful for the wisdom of the founding fathers of this country and the constitution and bill of rights. Why is it that it is almost always liberals who have problems with our constitution?

              Depends on what the issue is. There are members of the GOP who would be o.k. with the feds being able to mount a camera in my living room just in case I might commit a crime.

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                @oldbrownsfan said:

                Thankful for the wisdom of the founding fathers of this country and the constitution and bill of rights. Why is it that it is almost always liberals who have problems with our constitution?

                Depends on what the issue is. There are members of the GOP who would be o.k. with the feds being able to mount a camera in my living room just in case I might commit a crime.

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                @logicisforsquares said:

                Depends on what the issue is. There are members of the GOP who would be o.k. with the feds being able to mount a camera in my living room just in case I might commit a crime.

                How hot is your wife and how often does she walk around butt naked in the house?

                😉

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                  @logicisforsquares said:

                  Depends on what the issue is. There are members of the GOP who would be o.k. with the feds being able to mount a camera in my living room just in case I might commit a crime.

                  How hot is your wife and how often does she walk around butt naked in the house?

                  😉

                  WSS

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                  LogicIsForSquaresL LogicIsForSquares wrote on last edited by
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                  @westside-steve said:

                  How hot is your wife and how often does she walk around butt naked in the house?

                  😉

                  WSS

                  Consult the NSA agent who probably has my laptop camera hacked haha.

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                    @mld-woody said:

                    preachers on campus were annoying as shit

                    Did it cause microaggression?

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                    @diehardbrownsfan said:

                    Did it cause microaggression?

                    It caused annoyance

                    and comedy

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                      @clevfan4life said:

                      If i was a dad who went to see his daughter at college and we took a walk, and that "preacher" (i use that term loosely cause he aint' no man of no god), directed some of those comments at me or my daughter....that video would have been of the police arresting me. I honestly see no cause for any modicum of restraint to someone who takes it upon himself to conduct themselves in public like that. You can have your free speech "IF" and only "IF" people are allowed to pummel you for it. You can't claim free speech but then expect to have protections against assault. This is just the world of grown ass men. If you're grown ass enough to talk some shit, be prepared to back it up when someone's had enough and don't go spilling out of your bleeding vagina when it happens.

                      I don't understand people's need to talk shit to other people they don't know. If i'm walking to my classroom why should i be subjected to someone's insults or vulgar shouts? If they wanna do it fine, but why should they be then protected from harm? It's like you guys wanna say what you wanna say but you're not grown up enough to accept that there's sometimes some real consequences to saying/doing what you feel like. BUt if you want a civil society that isn't a street fight around every corner, than people have to be accept some limitations to what they say in public. Now if it's your own medium..than you should be able to say whatever you want. If you have your own radio or tv show, than people can choose to listen or not. But protecting the speech of people who go out in public and subject unsuspecting folk to their stupid bullshit? And that standard goes for occupy wall st people too who some of them would get in the face of whatever suit they saw not knowing anything about him. Protesting something is ok, but directly targeting people you know nothing about and assuming they're part of whatever subset of society you're annoyed with that day...that's horseshit and shouldn't be allowed otherwise things are gonna get ugly.

                      Like i always thought to myself i can't wait for the day someone pulls into an abortion clinic and protesters start banging on their car and throwing shit on it....i hope said person guns it. There's no reason anybody should have to tolerate that for the simple act of pulling into a parking lot. If you got in the way of their car as it pulled forward that's on you. Same thing with these black lives matter protesters who blocked random cars in teh middle of the road and are seemingly berating any white faces they see in cars, wtf is that? Hit the gas, it's on them if they get in the way. I do seem to remember you guys being irritated with some video's iike that.....but obviously don't hear much about that exact same behavior when it happens outside of abortion clinics and it's white people in the street.

                      Oh no abortion clinics. Tell you what tough guy when those white mobs burned down the entire neighborhood, kill a few people smash windows and loot businesses up and down the street from the abortion clinic call me.

                      WSS

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                      C Clevfan4life wrote on last edited by
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                      @westside-steve said:

                      Oh no abortion clinics. Tell you what tough guy when those white mobs burned down the entire neighborhood, kill a few people smash windows and loot businesses up and down the street from the abortion clinic call me.

                      WSS

                      explain this post please, it made no sense.

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                        @westside-steve said:

                        Oh no abortion clinics. Tell you what tough guy when those white mobs burned down the entire neighborhood, kill a few people smash windows and loot businesses up and down the street from the abortion clinic call me.

                        WSS

                        explain this post please, it made no sense.

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                        @clevfan4life said:

                        explain this post please, it made no sense.

                        Oh please. ..

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                          C calfoxwc wrote on last edited by
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                          I didn't compare, Cleve... just gave two little examples of liberal hypocrisy.

                          It's easy to twist the intent and substance of posts, so you can rail with

                          your contradicting hypotheticals...

                          but it just produces an invalid emotional knee jerk counter-argument.

                          You were doing better to have "kept me on ignore". ha.

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                            I didn't compare, Cleve... just gave two little examples of liberal hypocrisy.

                            It's easy to twist the intent and substance of posts, so you can rail with

                            your contradicting hypotheticals...

                            but it just produces an invalid emotional knee jerk counter-argument.

                            You were doing better to have "kept me on ignore". ha.

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                            @calfoxwc said:

                            I didn't compare, Cleve... just gave two little examples of liberal hypocrisy.

                            It's easy to twist the intent and substance of posts, so you can rail with

                            your contradicting hypotheticals...

                            but it just produces an invalid emotional knee jerk counter-argument.

                            You were doing better to have "kept me on ignore". ha.

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                              I didn't compare, Cleve... just gave two little examples of liberal hypocrisy.

                              It's easy to twist the intent and substance of posts, so you can rail with

                              your contradicting hypotheticals...

                              but it just produces an invalid emotional knee jerk counter-argument.

                              You were doing better to have "kept me on ignore". ha.

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                              @calfoxwc said:

                              I didn't compare, Cleve... just gave two little examples of liberal hypocrisy.

                              Do you then write words down on the screen without giving them much thought as to what you're doing? Because you did compare them. You said in one case the left has no problem with someone saying some heinous shit and in the other they do. You compared the two situations as equitable. Obviously if I knew someone that was telling people online that if you disagree with abortion in rape cases lemme come over and rape your wife/daughter and see if your opinion changes, I wouldn't associate with that person. I would put them on "ignore", right? You can't do that in public though can you? That was my point and that was the correction I made to your flawed analysis. I see your habit of flawed and or woefully inaccurate postulates is going as strong as ever.

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                                C calfoxwc wrote on last edited by calfoxwc
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                                No, I did not. I gave separate examples of the duplicity of liberal cowards like you

                                who never did put me on ignore, but said they did.

                                you and woody can't let other people simply have their opinions, and just disagree.

                                Ya just have to personally insult them every time. And you do it on the other board, too.

                                Personal UNWARRANTED attacks are the ignorant fools' port in any storm.

                                and our country is headed for a storm. The examples aren't the same, but just similar

                                enough to show hypocrisy of liberals.

                                Comparing them would fail, but the basic similarities show hypocrisy. idiot.

                                Are you working on eventually being clevepeckerhead to steal attention from woodpecker?

                                It isn't about me. It isn't about you....it's about our country and where we are dangerously headed,

                                and why.

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                                  No, I did not. I gave separate examples of the duplicity of liberal cowards like you

                                  who never did put me on ignore, but said they did.

                                  you and woody can't let other people simply have their opinions, and just disagree.

                                  Ya just have to personally insult them every time. And you do it on the other board, too.

                                  Personal UNWARRANTED attacks are the ignorant fools' port in any storm.

                                  and our country is headed for a storm. The examples aren't the same, but just similar

                                  enough to show hypocrisy of liberals.

                                  Comparing them would fail, but the basic similarities show hypocrisy. idiot.

                                  Are you working on eventually being clevepeckerhead to steal attention from woodpecker?

                                  It isn't about me. It isn't about you....it's about our country and where we are dangerously headed,

                                  and why.

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                                  C Clevfan4life wrote on last edited by
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                                  @calfoxwc said:

                                  No, I did not. I gave separate examples of the duplicity of liberal cowards

                                  So you're comparing and contrasting said examples. This isn't hard dude.

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                                    C calfoxwc wrote on last edited by
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                                    comparing would be analyzing the similarities and differences

                                    between the two.

                                    I did not do that.

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                                      Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on last edited by
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                                      ... and "coward" is not an insult?

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                                        gftChrisG gftChris wrote on last edited by
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                                        The fundamental problem here (apart from cal's admitted aversion to critical thinking), is the idea among some americans that freedom of speech, as enshrined in the first (?) amendment, means freedom to be a dick. I feel like that should be the first amendment. Don't be a dick. Don't go around offering to rape people. Don't hurl abuse at people whose lifestyles you don't like. Just stop being a dick, and hiding behind the free speech strawman.

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                                          The fundamental problem here (apart from cal's admitted aversion to critical thinking), is the idea among some americans that freedom of speech, as enshrined in the first (?) amendment, means freedom to be a dick. I feel like that should be the first amendment. Don't be a dick. Don't go around offering to rape people. Don't hurl abuse at people whose lifestyles you don't like. Just stop being a dick, and hiding behind the free speech strawman.

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                                          LogicIsForSquaresL LogicIsForSquares wrote on last edited by
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                                          @gftchris said:

                                          The fundamental problem here (apart from cal's admitted aversion to critical thinking), is the idea among some americans that freedom of speech, as enshrined in the first (?) amendment, means freedom to be a dick. I feel like that should be the first amendment. Don't be a dick. Don't go around offering to rape people. Don't hurl abuse at people whose lifestyles you don't like. Just stop being a dick, and hiding behind the free speech strawman.

                                          Well I think dummies don't consider that freedom of speech does not mean freedom from consequence. They think they are being persecuted if everyone else decides to use their freedom of speech to call the dummies out and likely damage any income they are getting from the public.

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