Should Browns be thinking of trading Gordon?
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to be clear though, someone does offer something nice.....you take that deal before the persons lips are done moving.
Sure, and when he goes on to have a Chris Carter level career elsewhere, you'll be kicking yourself in the ass. We won't get anything for him, and he's still on his cheap rookie deal
Another silly season guys flapping their gums on a slow news day. Like the Cavs are gonna trade for Mello.
Sure, and when he goes on to have a Chris Carter level career elsewhere, you'll be kicking yourself in the ass. We won't get anything for him, and he's still on his cheap rookie deal
which is why I said "only" if we get something nice. What your def of nice is I dunno. I would think a 1st or high 2nd rounder might be worth it. I mean has his status changed at all? He is one strike away from perma ban no?
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The talent-poor Browns do not have the luxury of trading away a talent as great as Gordon. Granted, he's one spark away from getting kicked out of the NFL for good. However, if he stays clean and plays hard he's a pro-bowl wide out.
The Browns absolutely have to roll the dice with Gordon. If he screws up the Browns won't be worse off than they are now. The only way that the Browns can mess this up is to trade him...because if they do Gordon will stay off the weed and put up All-Pro numbers for the next four seasons.
The talent-poor Browns do not have the luxury of trading away a talent as great as Gordon. Granted, he's one spark away from getting kicked out of the NFL for good. However, if he stays clean and plays hard he's a pro-bowl wide out.
The Browns absolutely have to roll the dice with Gordon. If he screws up the Browns won't be worse off than they are now. The only way that the Browns can mess this up is to trade him...because if they do Gordon will stay off the weed and put up All-Pro numbers for the next four seasons.
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sorry guys, i would. first slip up and he's gone for good with no compensation. yes best receiver we've had in a long time BUT.....
can't stay off the WEEDen.
Mik, apparently, he has- or you think there have been zero drug tests during his suspension?
....so don't trade him?
I'd call it 'keeping a low profile'....tho not sure what you're saying here, is it trade him now??....
Even though you don't know what he's doing and ESPN doesn't know what he's doing, the NFL and his assigned Medical Advisor do.....and they've been working with him, monitoring his treatment plan and testing him through out his suspension.....
So, since he's applied for reinstatement, you have to assume he's met all the requirements to do so.....or why bother?
Right....the one dim glimmer of hope is that "after 2 years" of staying clean, he can be discharged from the program by his medical advisor....all based upon how well he's adhered to his treatment program, etc.....it's a long shot, but possible....
Salary wise, we have him this year....and next season he will be a restricted FA, meaning we can match any offers.....If he returns to form this season, Id expect a nice contract offer, with lots of conditions(and zero guaranteed money).....IE ....he'll get the big bucks, but only if he's here and playing....
What I wounder is if the one year suspension counts towards that two year. If that's the case he only has to stay clean for another year or so.
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I believe he is ours for two years... period.
Original 4-year contract 2012 through 2015, but both his 2014 and 2015 years failed to accrue.
- Obviously 2015 due the full-year suspension.
- 2014 due to his one-game, week-17 suspension for being late. Left him with only 5 game appearances in 2014... one shy of the 6 needed for contract accrual.
Im pretty sure he'll be an RFA in 2017.....which happens at the 3 year mark, not 4......
So, technically he would have been an RFA last year and UFA this year, but that was pushed back to RFA...then with the added suspension, that got pushed back again....to 2017....
I understand he's appealing this, but no way they'll rule in his favor....
Im pretty sure he'll be an RFA in 2017.....which happens at the 3 year mark, not 4......
So, technically he would have been an RFA last year and UFA this year, but that was pushed back to RFA...then with the added suspension, that got pushed back again....to 2017....
I understand he's appealing this, but no way they'll rule in his favor....
Agree on the appeal... but OverTheCap has his original contract at 4-years...
Year - Base - Prorated - Cap Number
.2012 $390,000 $581,209 $971,209
.2013 $632,802 $581,209 $1,139,564
.2014 $825,604 $564,115 $954,070
2015$1,068,406 $564,115 $564,115
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Im pretty sure he'll be an RFA in 2017.....which happens at the 3 year mark, not 4......
So, technically he would have been an RFA last year and UFA this year, but that was pushed back to RFA...then with the added suspension, that got pushed back again....to 2017....
I understand he's appealing this, but no way they'll rule in his favor....
Agree on the appeal... but OverTheCap has his original contract at 4-years...
Year - Base - Prorated - Cap Number
.2012 $390,000 $581,209 $971,209
.2013 $632,802 $581,209 $1,139,564
.2014 $825,604 $564,115 $954,070
2015$1,068,406 $564,115 $564,115
Agree on the appeal... but OverTheCap has his original contract at 4-years...
Year - Base - Prorated - Cap Number
.2012 $390,000 $581,209 $971,209
.2013 $632,802 $581,209 $1,139,564
.2014 $825,604 $564,115 $954,070
2015$1,068,406 $564,115 $564,115
Of which, 2014 was basically void, because of the final game suspension, which puts him at 2016, and 2015 was a write off putting him at 2017, no?
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Im pretty sure he'll be an RFA in 2017.....which happens at the 3 year mark, not 4......
So, technically he would have been an RFA last year and UFA this year, but that was pushed back to RFA...then with the added suspension, that got pushed back again....to 2017....
I understand he's appealing this, but no way they'll rule in his favor....
Agree on the appeal... but OverTheCap has his original contract at 4-years...
Year - Base - Prorated - Cap Number
.2012 $390,000 $581,209 $971,209
.2013 $632,802 $581,209 $1,139,564
.2014 $825,604 $564,115 $954,070
2015$1,068,406 $564,115 $564,115
Agree on the appeal... but OverTheCap has his original contract at 4-years...
Right, but even OTC shows him signed thru 2016 only...everybody gets a 4 year contract as required by the CBA, but can out at 3 and become a RFA(except first rounders)...I was pretty sure before, but looked around a lot more today and am certain he is RFA 2017, UFA 2018....
So, we have him for 1 year, can match in 2 years and can trans tag him in 3(if we so choose).....
Here's a link that spells it out....
http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/cleveland-browns/josh-gordon/
Of which, 2014 was basically void, because of the final game suspension, which puts him at 2016, and 2015 was a write off putting him at 2017, no?
Correct....
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people just don't get it....you hit the nail on the head....
....so don't trade him?
nobody even knows what this kid is doing or where he is...i haven't heard anything...don't see anything on espn...nothing on the radio....its a crapshoot...you gameplan for someone like him and then pow, another incident and he's booted out of the nfl...then what do you do, we don't have any recievers worth a shit. remember, this is cleveland where all bad luck and bad shit happens....
I'd call it 'keeping a low profile'....tho not sure what you're saying here, is it trade him now??....
Even though you don't know what he's doing and ESPN doesn't know what he's doing, the NFL and his assigned Medical Advisor do.....and they've been working with him, monitoring his treatment plan and testing him through out his suspension.....
So, since he's applied for reinstatement, you have to assume he's met all the requirements to do so.....or why bother?
the resounding feeling I get is that he screws up again and he's done...basically forever. So what would a team possibly give up for a guy that's a beer away from never seeing the field again? I get that his talent is extremely desirable, but he has to walk such a straight line that it's not even funny.
Additionally, his salary is very low (as I understand it), and from what I remember, we have him for this season and possibly NEXT year (I don't remember the specifics of what I heard. Possible the source was talking about a franchise tag, but I don't think that was it).
Right....the one dim glimmer of hope is that "after 2 years" of staying clean, he can be discharged from the program by his medical advisor....all based upon how well he's adhered to his treatment program, etc.....it's a long shot, but possible....
Salary wise, we have him this year....and next season he will be a restricted FA, meaning we can match any offers.....If he returns to form this season, Id expect a nice contract offer, with lots of conditions(and zero guaranteed money).....IE ....he'll get the big bucks, but only if he's here and playing....
As with any player, there's a price.
Exactly....the one trade opportunity that may go over well is to package him for a move up in the draft.....say Gordon and a mid round pick or 2 to move back into the first?......
....so don't trade him?
I'd call it 'keeping a low profile'....tho not sure what you're saying here, is it trade him now??....
Even though you don't know what he's doing and ESPN doesn't know what he's doing, the NFL and his assigned Medical Advisor do.....and they've been working with him, monitoring his treatment plan and testing him through out his suspension.....
So, since he's applied for reinstatement, you have to assume he's met all the requirements to do so.....or why bother?
Right....the one dim glimmer of hope is that "after 2 years" of staying clean, he can be discharged from the program by his medical advisor....all based upon how well he's adhered to his treatment program, etc.....it's a long shot, but possible....
Salary wise, we have him this year....and next season he will be a restricted FA, meaning we can match any offers.....If he returns to form this season, Id expect a nice contract offer, with lots of conditions(and zero guaranteed money).....IE ....he'll get the big bucks, but only if he's here and playing....
Exactly....the one trade opportunity that may go over well is to package him for a move up in the draft.....say Gordon and a mid round pick or 2 to move back into the first?......
trade him.....we already don't have a qb because of the manziel bs...we don't need anymore headcases...
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Agree on the appeal... but OverTheCap has his original contract at 4-years...
Right, but even OTC shows him signed thru 2016 only...everybody gets a 4 year contract as required by the CBA, but can out at 3 and become a RFA(except first rounders)...I was pretty sure before, but looked around a lot more today and am certain he is RFA 2017, UFA 2018....
So, we have him for 1 year, can match in 2 years and can trans tag him in 3(if we so choose).....
Here's a link that spells it out....
http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/cleveland-browns/josh-gordon/
Of which, 2014 was basically void, because of the final game suspension, which puts him at 2016, and 2015 was a write off putting him at 2017, no?
Correct....
Right, but even OTC shows him signed thru 2016 only...everybody gets a 4 year contract as required by the CBA, but can out at 3 and become a RFA(except first rounders)...I was pretty sure before, but looked around a lot more today and am certain he is RFA 2017, UFA 2018....
So, we have him for 1 year, can match in 2 years and can trans tag him in 3(if we so choose).....
Here's a link that spells it out....
http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/cleveland-browns/josh-gordon/
Correct....
The $$$ remaining on Josh's contract & this^^^ is the reason analytically we will NOT trade Gordo. Now Gordo may do it to himself but we still hold the keys to the car (his poss. value) he may have stolen from his car dealing days. Trade deadline 2016? Let's just get to that point
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Agree on the appeal... but OverTheCap has his original contract at 4-years...
Right, but even OTC shows him signed thru 2016 only...everybody gets a 4 year contract as required by the CBA, but can out at 3 and become a RFA(except first rounders)...I was pretty sure before, but looked around a lot more today and am certain he is RFA 2017, UFA 2018....
So, we have him for 1 year, can match in 2 years and can trans tag him in 3(if we so choose).....
Here's a link that spells it out....
http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/cleveland-browns/josh-gordon/
Of which, 2014 was basically void, because of the final game suspension, which puts him at 2016, and 2015 was a write off putting him at 2017, no?
Correct....
Right, but even OTC shows him signed thru 2016 only...everybody gets a 4 year contract as required by the CBA, but can out at 3 and become a RFA(except first rounders)...I was pretty sure before, but looked around a lot more today and am certain he is RFA 2017, UFA 2018....
Here's a link that spells it out....
OK... I see what is being said, but still do not understand how anyone can be a RFA after 3 years yet have terms for a 4th year on their original contract... unless...
The terms of year 4 seen at OTC are the minimum qualifying, RFA offer we must make to retain him as an RFA. IIRC higher offers are even multiples of these minimum figures and the size of our offer sets the compensation we receive.
Make sense?
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The talent-poor Browns do not have the luxury of trading away a talent as great as Gordon. Granted, he's one spark away from getting kicked out of the NFL for good. However, if he stays clean and plays hard he's a pro-bowl wide out.
The Browns absolutely have to roll the dice with Gordon. If he screws up the Browns won't be worse off than they are now. The only way that the Browns can mess this up is to trade him...because if they do Gordon will stay off the weed and put up All-Pro numbers for the next four seasons.
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sorry guys, i would. first slip up and he's gone for good with no compensation. yes best receiver we've had in a long time BUT.....
can't stay off the WEEDen.
Mik, apparently, he has- or you think there have been zero drug tests during his suspension?
....so don't trade him?
I'd call it 'keeping a low profile'....tho not sure what you're saying here, is it trade him now??....
Even though you don't know what he's doing and ESPN doesn't know what he's doing, the NFL and his assigned Medical Advisor do.....and they've been working with him, monitoring his treatment plan and testing him through out his suspension.....
So, since he's applied for reinstatement, you have to assume he's met all the requirements to do so.....or why bother?
Right....the one dim glimmer of hope is that "after 2 years" of staying clean, he can be discharged from the program by his medical advisor....all based upon how well he's adhered to his treatment program, etc.....it's a long shot, but possible....
Salary wise, we have him this year....and next season he will be a restricted FA, meaning we can match any offers.....If he returns to form this season, Id expect a nice contract offer, with lots of conditions(and zero guaranteed money).....IE ....he'll get the big bucks, but only if he's here and playing....
What I wounder is if the one year suspension counts towards that two year. If that's the case he only has to stay clean for another year or so.
Mik, apparently, he has- or you think there have been zero drug tests during his suspension?hey, no one here loves gordon as much as i do (?) but there's a difference between being secluded and away from peers painting connect the dots and hanging out with grown men after competing in a sports competition in the locker room when someone says "let's go hangout." go to a club. hot music. fast women. and boom! next thing you know you're out of the league.
i had faith that blackmon could turn it around and what is he doing right now?
exactly.
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Mik, apparently, he has- or you think there have been zero drug tests during his suspension?
hey, no one here loves gordon as much as i do (?) but there's a difference between being secluded and away from peers painting connect the dots and hanging out with grown men after competing in a sports competition in the locker room when someone says "let's go hangout." go to a club. hot music. fast women. and boom! next thing you know you're out of the league.
i had faith that blackmon could turn it around and what is he doing right now?
exactly.
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Drugs?
winner winner chicken fried dinner with some purple drank to wash it all down with.
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