cutler to the bears!
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Hell I would take a 2nd this year and call it good.
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The reaction is pretty strange....we essentially used two first rounders and a 2nd rounder to get Quinn. Cutler's a proven star and suddenly 2 firsts and a third is "way too much for anyone." Unless you think Kyle Orton is a real difference maker.
I agree.
The disturbing part is Denver opted for Orton over Quinn.
That doesn't make me feel good.
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mz. said:
It's not that simple. There is no way we'd give them Quinn and all of those picks, as CHI did with Orton. Clearly Denver wanted picks.Understood. If it was Quinn and all those picks I'd call it a ridiculous trade. But Orton is pretty much worthless to me, you can easily pick up another guy like him in the late rounds. When I say it's basically just giving up a future first rounder in the 20s....that's me saying this year's 1st and 3rd is completely reasonable for a player like Cutler. You're just surrendering next year's pick where you might or might not get an impact player that late.
I can see how the draftniks are blown away by it, but I'll take proven stars (at a premium position) for late 1sts any day.
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glad he went to them, and that is over.
O and the Bears were dumb, a first and third and Orton ok maybe, two first rounders and a third and Orton. NO FREAKIN WAY!
glad he went to them, and that is over.
O and the Bears were dumb, a first and third and Orton ok maybe, two first rounders and a third and Orton. NO FREAKIN WAY!
You really think the Bears were DUMB...........Cutler is a proven NFL quarterback
They get a young Franchise Quarterback for 2 unproven draft choices, what if the draft choices turn out like Kamerion Wimbley will you still say its a DUMB trade
The Bears with this deal just became the favorites to win there division
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this was a best case scenario for the Browns. It takes Cutler off the market for a team that wasn't really in the running for EITHER DA or BQ....and therefore leaves teams like the Jets looking for a QB...and if they want a veteran QB they have to come to us now.
I love it...and it offsets the poor trade value that Cassel had previously set...so the value of our QB's has just increased without losing out on a trade partner.
LOVE IT!!!
i completely agree. da's stock just went up.
i completely agree. da's stock just went up.
How long has Anderson been available and still no takers......................Nobody is giving up a 2nd round pick for DA
Other teams watch film also, if the Bears were interested in DA they could have offered a 2nd or 3rd and the fact that Denver took Orton instead of trying to get Quinn in a 3 way deal tells me most teams are not as high on Quinn as many people here seem to believe.
If the Browns thought so highly of Quinn then Anderson would have been traded by now
I still think Mangini wants to bring in his own QB and that both DA and Quinn are not who he wants leading this team JMO
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yes they are very dumb, they gave up 2 first, and a 3rd and Orton for Cutler and a 5th. Cutler has not proven to be that good not to warrant that type of trade.
that is a trade to me worthy of upper echelon players of which cutler has not proven himself to be yet. Does he suck no, is he as good as the trade he just got no.
yea keep in mind the bears don't play in the toughest div. at the moment either.
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could be that the browns were not going to give away Quinn, or DA or that they were just seeing what the market value was.
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yes they are very dumb, they gave up 2 first, and a 3rd and Orton for Cutler and a 5th. Cutler has not proven to be that good not to warrant that type of trade.
that is a trade to me worthy of upper echelon players of which cutler has not proven himself to be yet. Does he suck no, is he as good as the trade he just got no.
yea keep in mind the bears don't play in the toughest div. at the moment either.
yes they are very dumb, they gave up 2 first, and a 3rd and Orton for Cutler and a 5th. Cutler has not proven to be that good not to warrant that type of trade.
that is a trade to me worthy of upper echelon players of which cutler has not proven himself to be yet. Does he suck no, is he as good as the trade he just got no.
yea keep in mind the bears don't play in the toughest div. at the moment either.
How much football do you watch? For you to make that comment you just made you either don't know a top quarterback when you see one or you have not seen much of Cutler.
Cutler is one of the top quarterbacks in the NFL and better than any QB on the Browns roster, why do you think the Browns were trying to trade for him?
The Broncos gave up a Pro Bowl and proven QB for 2 unknown draft choices, like I asked you and you did not answer what if the draft choices turn out like Kamerion Wimbley would you still say its a dumb trade.
The Bears just became a favorite to win there division with this trade.......A GREAT TRADE FOR THE BEARS
Anytime you can acquire a proven commodity thats a Pro Bowl quarterback for unproven draft choices you make the trade, there is not one quarterback in this draft the Bears could have drafted as good as Cutler is today.
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The reaction is pretty strange....we essentially used two first rounders and a 2nd rounder to get Quinn. Cutler's a proven star and suddenly 2 firsts and a third is "way too much for anyone." Unless you think Kyle Orton is a real difference maker.
I agree.
The disturbing part is Denver opted for Orton over Quinn.
That doesn't make me feel good.
I agree.
The disturbing part is Denver opted for Orton over Quinn.
Not really. There are more trades left to be made. Do you really think Orton will be the starting QB is Denver? They still have a QB need and alot of draft picks in their hip pocket.
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who the hell are you, are you john freakin madden, just cause we disagree does not mean you need to come in here and try and put me down and say that I don't know football. Sorry i don't think as highly of cutler as you do. if he was so great, they would not have let him go.
Did I say that the Browns were trying to trade for him, no I never said that.
Sure Cutler maybe better then the ones in the draft, but Cutler did not warrant this steep of a trade, and bottom line to borrow a tactic from you if you think he does how much football do you watch. Do YOU really know a top QB.
Who was talking Wimberly? And what do you do if both of them turn out to be Joe Montana and LT the orginal LT. would you still say it was a smart one?
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Now maybe we can start a rumor that the Broncos want to give us Orton and a #1 for Quinn. Hell, everybody wants to keep thinking Mangini isn't crazy abbout him.
But, Orton would most likely beat out DA.
But, Orton would most likely beat out DA.
He did beat him out.
His name was Rex Grossman.
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and from the Denver homepage
http://www.denverbroncos.com/page.php?id=3...mp;storyID=8930
Cutler Traded to Chicago Bears
Updated 4:41 p.m. MDT
The Denver Broncos have agreed in principle to trade quarterback Jay Cutler to the Chicago Bears. Terms of the deal will be disclosed at a later time.
It has been reported that the Broncos will receive a first-round pick in 2009, a third-round pick in 2009, a first-round pick in 2010 and quarterback Kyle Orton in return for Cutler and a fifth-round pick in 2009, though nothing has been officially announced.
In 33 career starts, Orton has compiled a record of 21-12, including a record of 15-2 in home games.
If the reports are correct, the Broncos will have the following picks in the upcoming NFL Draft:
1-12-12 Denver
1-18-18 Denver (from Chicago)
2-16-48 Denver
3-15-79 Denver
3-20-84 Denver (from Chicago)
4-14-114 Denver
5-13-149 Denver
6-12-185 Denver
7-16-225 Denver
7-26-235 Denver (from Atlanta)
It would also mean that over the next two NFL Drafts, the Broncos will have nine picks in the first three rounds.
Check back with DenverBroncos.com for updates.
...Check back with DenverBroncos.com for updates.
Especially in 3 years. That's a boat load of picks.
This isn't quite Hershal Walker or Ricky Williams stuff, but both the Vikings and Saints lost out on the "get a superstar/give up a bunch of picks" deal.
I know I'm missing something, but can someone give an example of a superstar for a ton of draft picks deal which worked out better for the team receiving the superstar?
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You gotta remember that this is the BEARS, who haven't had a franchise QB since Sid Luckman, so this isn't your average superstar trade for them. For them this is attempting to address an historic franchise deficiency.
And when you factor in that Orton only had one year left on his deal and that they'd be using one of those 1st rounders on a QB anyway, it really isn't that crazy of a trade, especially since no QB projects to be as good as Cutler is right now.
AND then consider that the Bears play in the QB-starved NFC North and this move catapults them into instant front-runner status.
All in all, it's a blockbuster that should work out for the Bears much better than the Williams or Walker deals did for those teams.
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But, Orton would most likely beat out DA.
He did beat him out.
His name was Rex Grossman.
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mz. said:
DA isn't THAT bad...
Actually, Grossman led his team to the Super Bowl.
DA led his team to the Toilet Bowl.
Gotta give Grossman the edge there.
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glad he went to them, and that is over.
O and the Bears were dumb, a first and third and Orton ok maybe, two first rounders and a third and Orton. NO FREAKIN WAY!
You really think the Bears were DUMB...........Cutler is a proven NFL quarterback
They get a young Franchise Quarterback for 2 unproven draft choices, what if the draft choices turn out like Kamerion Wimbley will you still say its a DUMB trade
The Bears with this deal just became the favorites to win there division
You really think the Bears were DUMB...........Cutler is a proven NFL quarterback
They get a young Franchise Quarterback for 2 unproven draft choices, what if the draft choices turn out like Kamerion Wimbley will you still say its a DUMB trade
The Bears with this deal just became the favorites to win there division
Before all this McDaniel stuff started up a few months ago I remember hearing and reading from time to time how Jay Cutler was not living up to his billing after the Broncos made him the 11th overall pick in the 2006 draft.
I wouldn't be so quick to give him all these accolades. We'll see how he does when he's on his back three times as much in Chicago as he was in Denver.
In 2008 Cutler had the 2nd highest amount of attemps in the league and was sacked only 11 times. My guess is he'll get
sacked a few more time in a Chicago uniform.
His Qb rating was in the middle of the pack. 6 points higher than Orton's
He's thrown 37 INT's in two years plus 5 games., including the 2nd most in the NFL last year....But he did throw a bucnh of passes so 18 is not horrible.
He's only averaged a TD about every 24 passes. Kyle Orton threw a TD pass every 23 times he threw the ball.
If you throw the ball 616 times, your TD total better be in the mid 20's!!
He threw 4 less TD's on 100 more passes than Derek Anderson did in 2007.
And finally? Add to all this that the guy isn't Mr. Personality. The Denver media has written about it. The guy can rub anyone the wrong way.
If Denver uses one of their 1st round picks next year and can grab a guy like Snead then this trade could end up being a great one for them.....And they still get another 1st! And a third! Put that into perspective....How nice would it be to have a third this year?!!
P.S. Being the favorite in the NFC north isn't saying much. They were probably the favorite before the trade.
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:Whew:
I'm just glad its over with.
Also, holy hell the Bears gave up a lot for Cutler.
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...Check back with DenverBroncos.com for updates.
Especially in 3 years. That's a boat load of picks.
This isn't quite Hershal Walker or Ricky Williams stuff, but both the Vikings and Saints lost out on the "get a superstar/give up a bunch of picks" deal.
I know I'm missing something, but can someone give an example of a superstar for a ton of draft picks deal which worked out better for the team receiving the superstar?
Especially in 3 years. That's a boat load of picks.
This isn't quite Hershal Walker or Ricky Williams stuff, but both the Vikings and Saints lost out on the "get a superstar/give up a bunch of picks" deal.
I know I'm missing something, but can someone give an example of a superstar for a ton of draft picks deal which worked out better for the team receiving the superstar?
The few I can think of are:
The Rams getting Marshall Faulk for some picks in 98 or 99.
Also, didn't the Stoolers get Jerome Bettis for some picks?
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