Benjamin to sign.....Mack out then in ?
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It would suck if the Browns didn't pick up the 2nd year of Hartline's contract.
He was the best receiver on the team last year behind Travis Benjamin.
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That would suck if Brian was cut. Injuries and the lack of a running game really hurt him being that effective intermediate threat we needed.
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@westside-steve said:
I like Hartline and will be annoyed if he goes.
WSS
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As regards Hartline,
I will say this. We were 3-13 last season. Expect change, some of which may not be comfortable for many Fans, but keep an open mind. Status quo will NOT lead to improvement. Change MUST happen. I'm just gonna sit back, trust the new guys, & see what happens.
Mike
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Just read that on Benji... Question is... at what price?
Mack out then in makes no sense to me...
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Doesn't LeBron James do that almost every year? Out out and resign?
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Mack needs to stay on the team. He has this analytics stuff down better than even the FO. He could have a dual role, C and FO advisor.
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Mack needs to stay on the team. He has this analytics stuff down better than even the FO. He could have a dual role, C and FO advisor.
Mack needs to stay on the team. He has this analytics stuff down better than even the FO. He could have a dual role, C and FO advisor.
So he'd be Front and Center in the new regime?
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thoughts on Sanu?
would he play hard for us?
no doubt he would take a lot of ribbing, playing for the "clowns" of his current division.
but, can he play at a high enough level to be dominant and help restore some credibility and legitimacy to the present day Browns?
Troy, Heath, Gresham, Heap, Rey, Reed...all gone. Big Ben, Steve Smith, james Harrison...old. all lost a step. Dalton is mediocre he just has AJ Green. Gordon is coming back. now is the time. the division is ours.
we weakened the biggest long-term-division-threat by taking Hawk and their OC Hue. if coach so pleases grab up Sanu too. who knows, maybe when AJ's contract is up he can entice him as well. Flash Gordon across from Sanu w Gabe/Hawk/Welker in the slot? T Benj on pass plays? with that lineup we don't even need Green.
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thoughts on Sanu?
would he play hard for us?
no doubt he would take a lot of ribbing, playing for the "clowns" of his current division.
but, can he play at a high enough level to be dominant and help restore some credibility and legitimacy to the present day Browns?
Troy, Heath, Gresham, Heap, Rey, Reed...all gone. Big Ben, Steve Smith, james Harrison...old. all lost a step. Dalton is mediocre he just has AJ Green. Gordon is coming back. now is the time. the division is ours.
we weakened the biggest long-term-division-threat by taking Hawk and their OC Hue. if coach so pleases grab up Sanu too. who knows, maybe when AJ's contract is up he can entice him as well. Flash Gordon across from Sanu w Gabe/Hawk/Welker in the slot? T Benj on pass plays? with that lineup we don't even need Green.
thoughts on Sanu?
Well he has a nice arm, I believe he has 2 or 3 TD passes. I think one was against the Browns.
would he play hard for us?
no doubt he would take a lot of ribbing, playing for the "clowns" of his current division.
Maybe, but Kruger, Dansby, Whitner, & Hartline came here. If he thinks he's got a chance to be "the guy" he'll sign.
but, can he play at a high enough level to be dominant and help restore some credibility and legitimacy to the present day Browns?
Troy, Heath, Gresham, Heap, Rey, Reed...all gone. Big Ben, Steve Smith, james Harrison...old. all lost a step. Dalton is mediocre he just has AJ Green. Gordon is coming back. now is the time. the division is ours.
We can only hope. I'm happy we got an experienced HC.
we weakened the biggest long-term-division-threat by taking Hawk and their OC Hue. if coach so pleases grab up Sanu too. who knows, maybe when AJ's contract is up he can entice him as well. Flash Gordon across from Sanu w Gabe/Hawk/Welker in the slot? T Benj on pass plays? with that lineup we don't even need Green.
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Shefter reporting that Mack opting out, but "a new deal in Cleveland is a real possibility" makes me a LITTLE excited. For some reason, I have a difficult time believing this, but who knows? If we somehow keep Mack, Thomas, AND Scwartz? Man...
And it appears that Benji is all but signed, but I'd still like to see it get done. I'm probably grasping at straws, but if we can somehow get Sanu, and it's been reported that we want him, then our WR's could look completely different. And by different...I mean GOOD. To be honest, I'm a little concerned about Josh Gordon. I haven't read any statements by any of our coaches that indicate Gordon is coming back, but there is a good chance our coaches have been instructed NOT to comment on him at all. I have to believe that all our coaches are secretly praying every day that Gordon is coming back. He's THAT important. Gordon opens things up for both Barnidge and Benji, but also our running game as well. Gordon would probably be the only player on our roster that would scare opposing defenses. Cmon Josh...
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As far as Mack is concerned I'll be happy to have him if he is all in and returns to form.
Paying top dollar to a second tier performer whose only interest in the game is the paycheck really doesn't appeal to me.
WSS
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Article is out saying we haven't pursued Gip very hard...
https://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2016/02/tashaun_gipson_is_preparing_to.html
RE: Mack ?? Raise + more guaranteed money maybe?
Sure, but renegotiation does not require separation.
Extensions and restructures are announced any and all the time. There are no restrictions on talking to players under contract.
we weakened the biggest long-term-division-threat by taking Hawk...
lol...
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Doesn't LeBron James do that almost every year? Out out and resign?
This really would belong on the Cavs board, but I'll explain....... The NBA salary cap is going up for the next season WAY up. Reason why there wasn't much major player movement at the trade deadline, and teams are clearing cap space like mad. LeBron's next one year deal is going to have a significant raise. LBJ is a totally different case than Mack- he can call his own shots. A superstar basketball player affects win-loss way more than any football player ever could. The Cavs and Warriors would nose dive without James or Curry. LeBron is rapidly approaching GOAT status, and if not there, he's certainly getting into the conversation. If he keeps putting up points at anywhere near his current rate, he'll pass Kareem in around 6 seasons. + Him and Oscar Robertson are the only players in the top 20 in both points & assists. Just MHO, he's more versatile than Jordan, but he'll never catch him in titles. Kevin Durant is a UFA after this season, and it's going to cost a team the Moon to sign him.
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Jimmy Donovan on WKYC reported tonight that Benji & the Browns were unable to reach an agreement.
Benji is saying he will test the FA waters.
Two things that will define you: Your determination when you have nothing. Your attitude when you have everything. - Mike McCartney -
Jimmy Donovan on WKYC reported tonight that Benji & the Browns were unable to reach an agreement.
Benji is saying he will test the FA waters.
Jimmy Donovan on WKYC reported tonight that Benji & the Browns were unable to reach an agreement.
Benji is saying he will test the FA waters.
Well... the FA sim got this one right..
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David Carr lists Benjamin as his No. 1 WR F/A
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