Mangini denies Browns offered Brady Quinn to Denver
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UPDATED: 12:07 a.m.
Chuck Crow/PD
Brady Quinn was offered to Denver in a failed bid to acquire Jay Cutler, according to some published reports.
CLEVELAND -- Browns head coach Eric Mangini denied Thursday night that the Browns were involved in three-way trade talks that would've sent quarterback Brady Quinn to Denver.
The deal, originally reported in the Washington Examiner, involved the Broncos, Redskins and Browns, was close to happening at one point during the day, the source said. Disgruntled Broncos quarterback Jay Cutler, who ended up being traded to Chicago, told a CBS affiliate in Denver Thursday afternoon that he was headed to Washington.
Late Thursday night, Mangini -- through team spokesman Neal Gulkis -- said the report was wrong.
Chicago eventually got back in the game and outbid other teams with two first-round picks. The Washington source said Denver's preferences for a quarterback were Quinn and then Chicago's Kyle Orton, who was part of the trade. Denver also received Chicago's first-round picks this year and next year and a third-rounder in 2009. The Bears received a fifth-rounder in addition to Cutler.
According to the source, the Broncos were not enamored with Redskins starting quarterback Jason Campbell.
Messages seeking comment from Quinn and his agent Tom Condon were not immediately returned.
Other teams trying to land Cutler were Tampa Bay and the New York Jets.
The report comes a little more than a week after Mangini said at the NFL owners meetings that he wouldn't rule out a trade.
"What I haven't ruled out is [GM] George [Kokinis] and I looking at any opportunity to improve the team," he said. "But I in no way am saying that is specific to the quarterback situation. But we would look at any opportunity we thought would improve the team."
He also said he told both Quinn and Derek Anderson that they'd openly compete for the job in training camp and that he was "excited" about the competition.
There's more at stake for Quinn in the competition than just the starting job. If he plays at least 70 percent of the snaps next season, he'll earn $11 million in contract escalators.
We may never know the truth but the washington examiner article has the browns deal unraveling and then chicago re-entering the cutler sweepstakes so even if mankok did offer bq in a deal they likely only dangled him as bait and pulled out after seeing his potential market value..
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You never know in these things.....maybe we didn't offer up Quinn, or maybe it is damage control.
Toss a coin.
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I love how everyone overreacted after one washington article that proved to be false. Mangini did not want to trade Quinn,he was approached by Denver about the possible trade, and then simply said no
Like Ive been telling everyone, this is quinns team, and quinns team it shall remain, you know why? because Magini is a BQ fag
DA is garbage, and were trying to raise his trade value, which has succeeded
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mangina would be an idiot to lie about trading him if he really did attempt to. look at what just happened in dnever when a coach tried to deny that he traded him. if mangina did try to trade him and is trying to deny, he is the dumbest human being to ever live. LOOK AT WHAT JUST HAPPENED IN DENVER!
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I posted a video on here last week, It was Quinn speaking on the whole potential trade situation and the cutler situation....
Quinn basically said that this is a buisness and he understands that, and if he is here he will do the best he can to try and bring a SB home to his home team
so, even if mangini did try to trade quinn, quinn wouldnt care, he wont bitch and moan about it
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I posted a video on here last week, It was Quinn speaking on the whole potential trade situation and the cutler situation....
Quinn basically said that this is a buisness and he understands that, and if he is here he will do the best he can to try and bring a SB home to his home team
so, even if mangini did try to trade quinn, quinn wouldnt care, he wont bitch and moan about it
I posted a video on here last week, It was Quinn speaking on the whole potential trade situation and the cutler situation....
Quinn basically said that this is a buisness and he understands that, and if he is here he will do the best he can to try and bring a SB home to his home team
so, even if mangini did try to trade quinn, quinn wouldnt care, he wont bitch and moan about it
that's true, i did forget that quinn is a real man and not a child like cutler.
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I posted a video on here last week, It was Quinn speaking on the whole potential trade situation and the cutler situation....
Quinn basically said that this is a buisness and he understands that, and if he is here he will do the best he can to try and bring a SB home to his home team
so, even if mangini did try to trade quinn, quinn wouldnt care, he wont bitch and moan about it
that's true, i did forget that quinn is a real man and not a child like cutler.
that's true, i did forget that quinn is a real man and not a child like cutler.
Which is why Character should always play an important role. I'm glad we didn't land Cutler... Guy looks like he is always drunk or high for some reason... It's in his eyes.
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that's true, i did forget that quinn is a real man and not a child like cutler.
Which is why Character should always play an important role. I'm glad we didn't land Cutler... Guy looks like he is always drunk or high for some reason... It's in his eyes.
Which is why Character should always play an important role. I'm glad we didn't land Cutler... Guy looks like he is always drunk or high for some reason... It's in his eyes.
A diabetic who drinks is not a good thing.
Ditka just on Mike and Mike saying strong arm and stats are not as important to him as leadership, and Cutler needs to be more of a leader for him to be convinced this was a good deal.
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@jadbf said:
PLease refrain from using the term "toss a coin" when refering to our quarterbacks....not again....
LOL...probably a good idea.
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Mangini just pulled a McDaniels.
Next we'll hear, "they called us, we didn't call them"
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Wow. Denial is way more than a river in Egypt to many of you folks.
I believe Mangini did offer him. I believe this is damage control. Problem is, why lie about it when you know the guy you tried to trade isn't a baby about the situation? Makes no sense to me, but rarely does anything arpmd Brownstown these days...
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Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! another one of Lumpies favorite threads! Its all Horse Shit!!! Lumpy is getting nervous as the draft comes closer because his boy DA has no suitors that want him as a starter.
By the time this is over Lumpy will be wearing a straight jacket.
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Simular to what Zorn told Campell-" i'll keep you informed- it's just business"
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@shepwrite said:
I think it's a bit of a problem. Too much smoke for it not to be true... and I can't think Quinn is thrilled about it.I think there's a shot he goes to Denver for their 18th pick and Anderson gets moved for a third round pick. The Browns take Stafford or Sanchez at 5. It could happen.
Still, for that one douchebag, smart money says Quinn is the starter.
Moving both Quinn and Anderson has about as much of a shot as the Browns signing Plaxico Burress, assuming the moron doesn't shoot himself again first. We go from 2 qbs to none. If Quinn was coming out this year, he'd be right there with any of the potential first round qbs on the board.
I'm all for moving Anderson at anything more than a sack of seeds.
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What exactly did Mangini deny? The only thing I read was a quote from a spokesman that said Mangini claimed the reports were "wrong".
That could mean a host of things.
Did Mangini say anything else besides the "Wrong" comment?
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OBR and Scouts.com are working on the "What really happened" part of the trade and almost trade. Caplan in conjuction with Zac Jackson (because he is the only one getting any real information from Berea) will put the story out, if it warrants enough bling to be printed. In other words, if they can't get good reliable sources like Bus Cook or anybody from the Browns or Broncos then why print more garbage like MaryKay's article.
My son works with these guys part time but his full time job is a sports announcer for a local ESPN affiliate. He has talked to some other ESPN radio affiliates in Denver and Washington and some Sirus Radio guys while the Scouts.com and OBR guys are trying to get call backs from solid team sources (Denver, Wash and the Browns).
Here's some of what they have found out and are attempting to get verification on:
Cleveland was never a player for Cutler not because Cutler didn't want to play for Mangini. It is well known around the league that Cleveland is looking for picks not looking to trade picks. Cutler was in the dark until the end and it was Bus Cook, his agent, that said Teams like Cleveland and Tampa Bay might not be good fits for Cutler because they want to run a "Ball Control West Coast Offense". How things get twisted is amasing.
Cleveland was contacted by Denver to try to work the deal with Washington because Denver didn't want Campbell. Denver wanted to know if Quinn was available. The Browns said they were willing to listen but weren't interested in taking Campbell from Washington. Doesn't seem that an offer for Quinn was really made since Washington couldn't unload Campbell. Then stepped in Chicago.............................................
OBRs take so far: Cleveland wasn't really a player for Cutler. Mangini wasn't going to trade a QB and picks to get a guy that was good but not a good fit. Cleveland isn't shopping Quinn, they listen to offers about every player, out of respect and not wanting to burn bridges. If the offer is good enough, who knows. It's no secret that Cleveland wants more draft picks and doesn't want to wait until draft day where their only move would be a trade down. It doesn't seem that the Browns are calling teams about anybody, teams are calling them.
At this point, it seems Denver wants to draft a QB to develop and are not interested in giving up picks for Quinn when they have two QBs. There is no indication that Quinn is being offered to any other team. As a matter of fact OBR is hearing that Dabol and Quinn have been working together and Dabol has contacted Weis to discuss some plays that might feed off of Quinn's strengths. What some of the sports writers that speculate about McDaniel and Weis = a afinity to Quinn for Denver don't realize is that when Weis was OC at NE McDaniel was a defensive coach at first and Dabol was involved with Weis more as an offensive coach.
Now, you can take it for what its worth, but Washington has all but verified the story and has discussed it with Campbell. Denver isn't saying much except they are happy with Orton and he will get a shot to start at QB. There seems to be no interest there in Quinn anymore and seem to be downplaying there interest all along.
So, for the rumor mongers and "chicken littles" maybe you will get the real story at OBR at the beginning of the week. Maybe Mary Kay can even cut and paste it for the Plain Dealer.
Here's something to chew on..............................Grossi has no love for this regime and the feeling is mutual. So if you are a Plain Dealer reader and want some unbiased reporting follow Pluto because the others are now outsiders. Zac Jackson seems to be emerging as the "insider".
Again, take it for what it's worth, but it's a little more accurate then some of the crap from the morning urinal.
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OBR and Scouts.com are working on the "What really happened" part of the trade and almost trade. Caplan in conjuction with Zac Jackson (because he is the only one getting any real information from Berea) will put the story out, if it warrants enough bling to be printed. In other words, if they can't get good reliable sources like Bus Cook or anybody from the Browns or Broncos then why print more garbage like MaryKay's article.
My son works with these guys part time but his full time job is a sports announcer for a local ESPN affiliate. He has talked to some other ESPN radio affiliates in Denver and Washington and some Sirus Radio guys while the Scouts.com and OBR guys are trying to get call backs from solid team sources (Denver, Wash and the Browns).
Here's some of what they have found out and are attempting to get verification on:
Cleveland was never a player for Cutler not because Cutler didn't want to play for Mangini. It is well known around the league that Cleveland is looking for picks not looking to trade picks. Cutler was in the dark until the end and it was Bus Cook, his agent, that said Teams like Cleveland and Tampa Bay might not be good fits for Cutler because they want to run a "Ball Control West Coast Offense". How things get twisted is amasing.
Cleveland was contacted by Denver to try to work the deal with Washington because Denver didn't want Campbell. Denver wanted to know if Quinn was available. The Browns said they were willing to listen but weren't interested in taking Campbell from Washington. Doesn't seem that an offer for Quinn was really made since Washington couldn't unload Campbell. Then stepped in Chicago.............................................
OBRs take so far: Cleveland wasn't really a player for Cutler. Mangini wasn't going to trade a QB and picks to get a guy that was good but not a good fit. Cleveland isn't shopping Quinn, they listen to offers about every player, out of respect and not wanting to burn bridges. If the offer is good enough, who knows. It's no secret that Cleveland wants more draft picks and doesn't want to wait until draft day where their only move would be a trade down. It doesn't seem that the Browns are calling teams about anybody, teams are calling them.
At this point, it seems Denver wants to draft a QB to develop and are not interested in giving up picks for Quinn when they have two QBs. There is no indication that Quinn is being offered to any other team. As a matter of fact OBR is hearing that Dabol and Quinn have been working together and Dabol has contacted Weis to discuss some plays that might feed off of Quinn's strengths. What some of the sports writers that speculate about McDaniel and Weis = a afinity to Quinn for Denver don't realize is that when Weis was OC at NE McDaniel was a defensive coach at first and Dabol was involved with Weis more as an offensive coach.
Now, you can take it for what its worth, but Washington has all but verified the story and has discussed it with Campbell. Denver isn't saying much except they are happy with Orton and he will get a shot to start at QB. There seems to be no interest there in Quinn anymore and seem to be downplaying there interest all along.
So, for the rumor mongers and "chicken littles" maybe you will get the real story at OBR at the beginning of the week. Maybe Mary Kay can even cut and paste it for the Plain Dealer.
Here's something to chew on..............................Grossi has no love for this regime and the feeling is mutual. So if you are a Plain Dealer reader and want some unbiased reporting follow Pluto because the others are now outsiders. Zac Jackson seems to be emerging as the "insider".
Again, take it for what it's worth, but it's a little more accurate then some of the crap from the morning urinal.
OBR and Scouts.com are working on the "What really happened" part of the trade and almost trade. Caplan in conjuction with Zac Jackson (because he is the only one getting any real information from Berea) will put the story out, if it warrants enough bling to be printed. In other words, if they can't get good reliable sources like Bus Cook or anybody from the Browns or Broncos then why print more garbage like MaryKay's article.
My son works with these guys part time but his full time job is a sports announcer for a local ESPN affiliate. He has talked to some other ESPN radio affiliates in Denver and Washington and some Sirus Radio guys while the Scouts.com and OBR guys are trying to get call backs from solid team sources (Denver, Wash and the Browns).
Here's some of what they have found out and are attempting to get verification on:
Cleveland was never a player for Cutler not because Cutler didn't want to play for Mangini. It is well known around the league that Cleveland is looking for picks not looking to trade picks. Cutler was in the dark until the end and it was Bus Cook, his agent, that said Teams like Cleveland and Tampa Bay might not be good fits for Cutler because they want to run a "Ball Control West Coast Offense". How things get twisted is amasing.
Cleveland was contacted by Denver to try to work the deal with Washington because Denver didn't want Campbell. Denver wanted to know if Quinn was available. The Browns said they were willing to listen but weren't interested in taking Campbell from Washington. Doesn't seem that an offer for Quinn was really made since Washington couldn't unload Campbell. Then stepped in Chicago.............................................
OBRs take so far: Cleveland wasn't really a player for Cutler. Mangini wasn't going to trade a QB and picks to get a guy that was good but not a good fit. Cleveland isn't shopping Quinn, they listen to offers about every player, out of respect and not wanting to burn bridges. If the offer is good enough, who knows. It's no secret that Cleveland wants more draft picks and doesn't want to wait until draft day where their only move would be a trade down. It doesn't seem that the Browns are calling teams about anybody, teams are calling them.
At this point, it seems Denver wants to draft a QB to develop and are not interested in giving up picks for Quinn when they have two QBs. There is no indication that Quinn is being offered to any other team. As a matter of fact OBR is hearing that Dabol and Quinn have been working together and Dabol has contacted Weis to discuss some plays that might feed off of Quinn's strengths. What some of the sports writers that speculate about McDaniel and Weis = a afinity to Quinn for Denver don't realize is that when Weis was OC at NE McDaniel was a defensive coach at first and Dabol was involved with Weis more as an offensive coach.
Now, you can take it for what its worth, but Washington has all but verified the story and has discussed it with Campbell. Denver isn't saying much except they are happy with Orton and he will get a shot to start at QB. There seems to be no interest there in Quinn anymore and seem to be downplaying there interest all along.
So, for the rumor mongers and "chicken littles" maybe you will get the real story at OBR at the beginning of the week. Maybe Mary Kay can even cut and paste it for the Plain Dealer.
Here's something to chew on..............................Grossi has no love for this regime and the feeling is mutual. So if you are a Plain Dealer reader and want some unbiased reporting follow Pluto because the others are now outsiders. Zac Jackson seems to be emerging as the "insider".
Again, take it for what it's worth, but it's a little more accurate then some of the crap from the morning urinal.
This is great stuff Ytown and I appreciate you sharing. I posted on another thread that I'm sick and tired of all the conjecture and supposition that comes with this time of year, but I find it hard to believe Mancock doesn't like Quinn based solely on either his draft stock or limited starts last year (in which he lit it up when healthy). It just doesn't make any sense.
As far as Tony not getting along with Mancock, I really don't know if that's true but it seems like Tony would be a little smarter than to burn bridges with these guys already. It's possible he correlates the regime to Belichick and won't even try to get along.
Quinn will be the QB of this team and until they can find someone to take Dexter the Browns will continue to placate the masses by keeping things ambiguous regarding their thought processes.
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OBR and Scouts.com are working on the "What really happened" part of the trade and almost trade. Caplan in conjuction with Zac Jackson (because he is the only one getting any real information from Berea) will put the story out, if it warrants enough bling to be printed. In other words, if they can't get good reliable sources like Bus Cook or anybody from the Browns or Broncos then why print more garbage like MaryKay's article.
My son works with these guys part time but his full time job is a sports announcer for a local ESPN affiliate. He has talked to some other ESPN radio affiliates in Denver and Washington and some Sirus Radio guys while the Scouts.com and OBR guys are trying to get call backs from solid team sources (Denver, Wash and the Browns).
Here's some of what they have found out and are attempting to get verification on:
Cleveland was never a player for Cutler not because Cutler didn't want to play for Mangini. It is well known around the league that Cleveland is looking for picks not looking to trade picks. Cutler was in the dark until the end and it was Bus Cook, his agent, that said Teams like Cleveland and Tampa Bay might not be good fits for Cutler because they want to run a "Ball Control West Coast Offense". How things get twisted is amasing.
Cleveland was contacted by Denver to try to work the deal with Washington because Denver didn't want Campbell. Denver wanted to know if Quinn was available. The Browns said they were willing to listen but weren't interested in taking Campbell from Washington. Doesn't seem that an offer for Quinn was really made since Washington couldn't unload Campbell. Then stepped in Chicago.............................................
OBRs take so far: Cleveland wasn't really a player for Cutler. Mangini wasn't going to trade a QB and picks to get a guy that was good but not a good fit. Cleveland isn't shopping Quinn, they listen to offers about every player, out of respect and not wanting to burn bridges. If the offer is good enough, who knows. It's no secret that Cleveland wants more draft picks and doesn't want to wait until draft day where their only move would be a trade down. It doesn't seem that the Browns are calling teams about anybody, teams are calling them.
At this point, it seems Denver wants to draft a QB to develop and are not interested in giving up picks for Quinn when they have two QBs. There is no indication that Quinn is being offered to any other team. As a matter of fact OBR is hearing that Dabol and Quinn have been working together and Dabol has contacted Weis to discuss some plays that might feed off of Quinn's strengths. What some of the sports writers that speculate about McDaniel and Weis = a afinity to Quinn for Denver don't realize is that when Weis was OC at NE McDaniel was a defensive coach at first and Dabol was involved with Weis more as an offensive coach.
Now, you can take it for what its worth, but Washington has all but verified the story and has discussed it with Campbell. Denver isn't saying much except they are happy with Orton and he will get a shot to start at QB. There seems to be no interest there in Quinn anymore and seem to be downplaying there interest all along.
So, for the rumor mongers and "chicken littles" maybe you will get the real story at OBR at the beginning of the week. Maybe Mary Kay can even cut and paste it for the Plain Dealer.
Here's something to chew on..............................Grossi has no love for this regime and the feeling is mutual. So if you are a Plain Dealer reader and want some unbiased reporting follow Pluto because the others are now outsiders. Zac Jackson seems to be emerging as the "insider".
Again, take it for what it's worth, but it's a little more accurate then some of the crap from the morning urinal.
OBR and Scouts.com are working on the "What really happened" part of the trade and almost trade. Caplan in conjuction with Zac Jackson (because he is the only one getting any real information from Berea) will put the story out, if it warrants enough bling to be printed. In other words, if they can't get good reliable sources like Bus Cook or anybody from the Browns or Broncos then why print more garbage like MaryKay's article.
My son works with these guys part time but his full time job is a sports announcer for a local ESPN affiliate. He has talked to some other ESPN radio affiliates in Denver and Washington and some Sirus Radio guys while the Scouts.com and OBR guys are trying to get call backs from solid team sources (Denver, Wash and the Browns).
Here's some of what they have found out and are attempting to get verification on:
Cleveland was never a player for Cutler not because Cutler didn't want to play for Mangini. It is well known around the league that Cleveland is looking for picks not looking to trade picks. Cutler was in the dark until the end and it was Bus Cook, his agent, that said Teams like Cleveland and Tampa Bay might not be good fits for Cutler because they want to run a "Ball Control West Coast Offense". How things get twisted is amasing.
Here's something to chew on..............................Grossi has no love for this regime and the feeling is mutual. So if you are a Plain Dealer reader and want some unbiased reporting follow Pluto because the others are now outsiders. Zac Jackson seems to be emerging as the "insider".
Again, take it for what it's worth, but it's a little more accurate then some of the crap from the morning urinal.
Y'town, you're a GREAT read man! That's very good info I appreciate. The Grossi thing makes sense - I got the impression Mancock pissed in his Wheaties in reading some of his recent tones.
- Tom F.
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