Apple vs. F.B.I.
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This will ultimately be decided by the judicial system. I think we will always walk a fine line between privacy and security. I think we should always err on the side of privacy. Slowly but surely we seem to be losing what it means to be American.
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Hey the NSA hates Linux because of privacy so that's a good enough reason for me to use it.
Early man walked away as modern man took control. Their minds weren't all the same and to conquer was their goal. So He built his great empires and he slaughtered his own kind, and he died a confused man and killed himself in his own mind... -
I know it's not apple and it's not about this case but this is why I don't trust the government and I side with Apple in this case, despite not being an apple user.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/07/03/nsa_xkeyscore_stasi_scandal/
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20 million government employees had their information stolen by the Chinese in the Office of Personnel Management leaks, myself included. If they can't keep that data safe why the fuck would I trust them with a backdoor to everyone's phones?
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20 million government employees had their information stolen by the Chinese in the Office of Personnel Management leaks, myself included. If they can't keep that data safe why the fuck would I trust them with a backdoor to everyone's phones?
20 million government employees had their information stolen by the Chinese in the Office of Personnel Management leaks, myself included. If they can't keep that data safe why the fuck would I trust them with a backdoor to everyone's phones?
I'm in that club also.
"You planning on having a long relationship with that glass or are you going to drink it? Drink up, man. Maybe we can get another.” - Janis Joplin, 1970. -
I keep wondering why Apple can't just break into THIS ONE PHONE,
USED BY DEAD TERRORISTS.
and do it quietly. Then put it up under physical lock and key somewhere, out
of the gov's reach.
Apple has now made it a public selling point, hahaha.
Except the victims of those terrorists are not laughing. Just quietly investigate this ONE DAMN PHONE,
and do not give the key to getting the data to the gov.
Look, let's say Apple's security on phones runs something like this:
A randomly generated key... that goes into encryption mode, and it encrypted by a secret set
of 1-26 scrambled alphabet key sets, also chosen randomly. Make it a thousand ? different combinations, whatever that it,
I forget the algorithm to determine that.
Then scramble that encrypted key by 1000 sets of alphanumeric randomly chosen 1-52 sets of letters and numbers.
The result is a superduper secret key. The source code itself is compiled.
Eventually, someday, it could be figured out with a superrcomputer? how to decompile the program, isolate the
variables containing the different randomly generated values, and undo the security.
Apple already knows how it set the security up, and how the secret logic in the programming reads.
Then,the gov STILL WON'T HAVE ANY IDEA HOW TO DO WHAT APPLE DID.
The gov will eventually start off on a program to crack
the Apple security on it's own, since Apple won't help them on this ONE PHONE, USED BY DEAD TERRORISTS.
Apple's public battle to refuse to get into ONE DEAD TERRORIST's PHONE, will be the undoing of all those
American's privacy.
Idiots. I don't get it. The gov won't care if they go through seven thousand apple phones to figure out
how to get into them.....
I don't see the problem. Apple keeps secrets, the gov keeps secrets, yet this asinine battle
is being made in public.
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20 million government employees had their information stolen by the Chinese in the Office of Personnel Management leaks, myself included. If they can't keep that data safe why the fuck would I trust them with a backdoor to everyone's phones?
I'm in that club also.
I'm in that club also.
I got fucked on that deal as well. Did they send you the letter offering identity theft protection?
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Again I don't care. Amazon.com and Facebook probably know more about us then the NSA.
WSS
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I'm in that club also.
I got fucked on that deal as well. Did they send you the letter offering identity theft protection?
I got fucked on that deal as well. Did they send you the letter offering identity theft protection?
I have two different theft protections. One from CSID and ID Experts. It says they got my fingerprints also. It says "Federal experts believe the ability to misuse fingerprint data is currently limited. However, this could change over time as technology evolves."
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"Of course no one can prevent all identity theft..."
WSS
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Hey the NSA hates Linux because of privacy so that's a good enough reason for me to use it.
I side with Apple. Slippery slope to allow the government through special encryption back doors.
Hey the NSA hates Linux because of privacy so that's a good enough reason for me to use it.
The NSA asked Torvalds to do the same thing they want apple to do - add a super secret back door that only the government can get through. Torvalds said "no" of course, but it doesn't work as well with Linux being licensed under the GPL and completely open source. If they added a super secret back door literally everybody would be able to see how it works.
SELinux has been largely backed by the NSA, but for other reasons. Linux is secure by design (userspace is loosely coupled to the kernel space, open source) - the NSA doesn't like that.
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No they sure don't. I side with Apple 100% on this. I mean, I have literally nothing to hide and I still surf on a VPN with Webrtc disabled even on Linux because Fuck the Government. We can't trust them, nor should we.
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You're right. It's a lot easier to spy on people when they can't see your source code and reverse engineer it. Can you imagine, being able to apply their same methods to spy on them? Who watches the watchmen
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You're right. It's a lot easier to spy on people when they can't see your source code and reverse engineer it. Can you imagine, being able to apply their same methods to spy on them? Who watches the watchmen
You're right. It's a lot easier to spy on people when they can't see your source code and reverse engineer it. Can you imagine, being able to apply their same methods to spy on them? Who watches the watchmen
http://satwcomic.com/i-spy-with-my-little-eye
The big story around here these days is that America have been spying on civilians in European countries without informing the government. It all started when Norway found out about it, and then other countries started looking into it and found that Americans had indeed been spying on civilians in their country.
But there was one thing America didn’t count on: A nation just as terror-paranoid as them. Denmark to be exact. There the government found out about the spying and sent out Danish agents to spy on the American agents
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You're right. It's a lot easier to spy on people when they can't see your source code and reverse engineer it. Can you imagine, being able to apply their same methods to spy on them? Who watches the watchmen
http://satwcomic.com/i-spy-with-my-little-eye
The big story around here these days is that America have been spying on civilians in European countries without informing the government. It all started when Norway found out about it, and then other countries started looking into it and found that Americans had indeed been spying on civilians in their country.
But there was one thing America didn’t count on: A nation just as terror-paranoid as them. Denmark to be exact. There the government found out about the spying and sent out Danish agents to spy on the American agents
I have no problem with doing intelligence on European countries.
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I have no problem with doing intelligence on European countries.
I have no problem with doing intelligence on European countries.
Go for it. Was more just about the comedy value of it - denmark is spying on the US...
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I have no problem with doing intelligence on European countries.
Go for it. Was more just about the comedy value of it - denmark is spying on the US...
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Side with Apple
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I side with Apple. Slippery slope to allow the government through special encryption back doors.
Hey the NSA hates Linux because of privacy so that's a good enough reason for me to use it.
The NSA asked Torvalds to do the same thing they want apple to do - add a super secret back door that only the government can get through. Torvalds said "no" of course, but it doesn't work as well with Linux being licensed under the GPL and completely open source. If they added a super secret back door literally everybody would be able to see how it works.
SELinux has been largely backed by the NSA, but for other reasons. Linux is secure by design (userspace is loosely coupled to the kernel space, open source) - the NSA doesn't like that.
I side with Apple. Slippery slope to allow the government through special encryption back doors.
The NSA asked Torvalds to do the same thing they want apple to do - add a super secret back door that only the government can get through. Torvalds said "no" of course, but it doesn't work as well with Linux being licensed under the GPL and completely open source. If they added a super secret back door literally everybody would be able to see how it works.
SELinux has been largely backed by the NSA, but for other reasons. Linux is secure by design (userspace is loosely coupled to the kernel space, open source) - the NSA doesn't like that.
Torvalds denies that and says it was a joke that was misinterpreted
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