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  • No they sure don't. I side with Apple 100% on this. I mean, I have literally nothing to hide and I still surf on a VPN with Webrtc disabled even on Linux because Fuck the Government. We can't trust them, nor should we.

    Early man walked away as modern man took control. Their minds weren't all the same and to conquer was their goal. So He built his great empires and he slaughtered his own kind, and he died a confused man and killed himself in his own mind...

  • You're right. It's a lot easier to spy on people when they can't see your source code and reverse engineer it. Can you imagine, being able to apply their same methods to spy on them? Who watches the watchmen

    Early man walked away as modern man took control. Their minds weren't all the same and to conquer was their goal. So He built his great empires and he slaughtered his own kind, and he died a confused man and killed himself in his own mind...
  • T The Cysko Kid

    You're right. It's a lot easier to spy on people when they can't see your source code and reverse engineer it. Can you imagine, being able to apply their same methods to spy on them? Who watches the watchmen

    @the-cysko-kid said:

    You're right. It's a lot easier to spy on people when they can't see your source code and reverse engineer it. Can you imagine, being able to apply their same methods to spy on them? Who watches the watchmen

    http://satwcomic.com/i-spy-with-my-little-eye

    The big story around here these days is that America have been spying on civilians in European countries without informing the government. It all started when Norway found out about it, and then other countries started looking into it and found that Americans had indeed been spying on civilians in their country.

    But there was one thing America didn’t count on: A nation just as terror-paranoid as them. Denmark to be exact. There the government found out about the spying and sent out Danish agents to spy on the American agents

  • gftChrisG gftChris

    @the-cysko-kid said:

    You're right. It's a lot easier to spy on people when they can't see your source code and reverse engineer it. Can you imagine, being able to apply their same methods to spy on them? Who watches the watchmen

    http://satwcomic.com/i-spy-with-my-little-eye

    The big story around here these days is that America have been spying on civilians in European countries without informing the government. It all started when Norway found out about it, and then other countries started looking into it and found that Americans had indeed been spying on civilians in their country.

    But there was one thing America didn’t count on: A nation just as terror-paranoid as them. Denmark to be exact. There the government found out about the spying and sent out Danish agents to spy on the American agents

    @gftchris said:

    I have no problem with doing intelligence on European countries.

    "You planning on having a long relationship with that glass or are you going to drink it? Drink up, man. Maybe we can get another.” - Janis Joplin, 1970.
  • DieHardBrownsFanD DieHardBrownsFan

    @gftchris said:

    I have no problem with doing intelligence on European countries.

    @diehardbrownsfan said:

    I have no problem with doing intelligence on European countries.

    Go for it. Was more just about the comedy value of it - denmark is spying on the US...

  • gftChrisG gftChris

    @diehardbrownsfan said:

    I have no problem with doing intelligence on European countries.

    Go for it. Was more just about the comedy value of it - denmark is spying on the US...

    @gftchris said:

    Go for it. Was more just about the comedy value of it - denmark is spying on the US...

    I think any country that has a halfway decent intelligence agency is using it to spy on other countries, regardless of whether they are friend or foe.

    "That which can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence”. - Christopher Hitchens "The universe is under no obligation to make sense to you". - Neil deGrasse Tyson

  • https://medium.com/@jamesallworth/the-u-s-has-gone-f-ing-mad-52e525f76447#.k0qz8fpb9

  • Side with Apple

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  • bbedwardB bbedward

    I side with Apple. Slippery slope to allow the government through special encryption back doors.

    @the-cysko-kid said:

    Hey the NSA hates Linux because of privacy so that's a good enough reason for me to use it.

    The NSA asked Torvalds to do the same thing they want apple to do - add a super secret back door that only the government can get through. Torvalds said "no" of course, but it doesn't work as well with Linux being licensed under the GPL and completely open source. If they added a super secret back door literally everybody would be able to see how it works.

    SELinux has been largely backed by the NSA, but for other reasons. Linux is secure by design (userspace is loosely coupled to the kernel space, open source) - the NSA doesn't like that.

    @bbedward said:

    I side with Apple. Slippery slope to allow the government through special encryption back doors.

    The NSA asked Torvalds to do the same thing they want apple to do - add a super secret back door that only the government can get through. Torvalds said "no" of course, but it doesn't work as well with Linux being licensed under the GPL and completely open source. If they added a super secret back door literally everybody would be able to see how it works.

    SELinux has been largely backed by the NSA, but for other reasons. Linux is secure by design (userspace is loosely coupled to the kernel space, open source) - the NSA doesn't like that.

    Torvalds denies that and says it was a joke that was misinterpreted

    Early man walked away as modern man took control. Their minds weren't all the same and to conquer was their goal. So He built his great empires and he slaughtered his own kind, and he died a confused man and killed himself in his own mind...
  • T The Cysko Kid

    @bbedward said:

    I side with Apple. Slippery slope to allow the government through special encryption back doors.

    The NSA asked Torvalds to do the same thing they want apple to do - add a super secret back door that only the government can get through. Torvalds said "no" of course, but it doesn't work as well with Linux being licensed under the GPL and completely open source. If they added a super secret back door literally everybody would be able to see how it works.

    SELinux has been largely backed by the NSA, but for other reasons. Linux is secure by design (userspace is loosely coupled to the kernel space, open source) - the NSA doesn't like that.

    Torvalds denies that and says it was a joke that was misinterpreted

    @the-cysko-kid said:

    Torvalds denies that and says it was a joke that was misinterpreted

    You need a little more tin foil hat. It's probably been tried, but fails for the obvious reasons of open source and principle.

    A couple sneaky things have slipped through the cracks before (like setting UID=0, which is the uid of root). Most code that gets into mainstream linux is reviewed, criticized by 5, 10, 15 people. CC'd to everybody's relevant email, then merged in by Linus after all that and is always available for the world to see - so it can't happen with Linux like it can with Windows.

    My last job I had a boss who always used to rip on open source software. I told him we need to dispel with this fiction once and for all that open source software is less secure, open source software is more secure.

  • I'm a FOSS guy but I don't mind using some proprietary software if it's useful to me.

    Early man walked away as modern man took control. Their minds weren't all the same and to conquer was their goal. So He built his great empires and he slaughtered his own kind, and he died a confused man and killed himself in his own mind...

  • So these pricks at the FBI hacked it without Apple's help. What a surprise, trying to get some proprietary software they didn't even need.

  • VaporTrailV VaporTrail

    So these pricks at the FBI hacked it without Apple's help. What a surprise, trying to get some proprietary software they didn't even need.

    @vaportrail said:

    So these pricks at the FBI hacked it without Apple's help. What a surprise, trying to get some proprietary software they didn't even need.

    Maybe they did get Apple's help but they got it on the DL to avoid the bad publicity.

    Apparently they got help from an "unidentified third party" - maybe somebody with connections to Apple.

  • I don't think apple had to do with it after all that. Maybe they took john McAfee up on his offer.

    Early man walked away as modern man took control. Their minds weren't all the same and to conquer was their goal. So He built his great empires and he slaughtered his own kind, and he died a confused man and killed himself in his own mind...

  • The gov will eventually start off on a program to crack


    the Apple security on it's own, since Apple won't help them on this ONE PHONE, USED BY DEAD TERRORIST


    *****************************************************


    I hope they can still stop an impending attack before it's too late. Seems that


    Apple's pseudo-principle backfired, like I was talking about.


  • C calfoxwc

    The gov will eventually start off on a program to crack


    the Apple security on it's own, since Apple won't help them on this ONE PHONE, USED BY DEAD TERRORIST


    *****************************************************


    I hope they can still stop an impending attack before it's too late. Seems that


    Apple's pseudo-principle backfired, like I was talking about.


    @calfoxwc said:

    The gov will eventually start off on a program to crack

    the Apple security on it's own, since Apple won't help them on this ONE PHONE, USED BY DEAD TERRORIST

    *****************************************************

    I hope they can still stop an impending attack before it's too late. Seems that

    Apple's pseudo-principle backfired, like I was talking about.

    Not at all. Apple stuck to their guns. The feds were always going to crack that phone, it was just a matter of time.

    Nobody's blood will be on Apple's hands and as we all know, any tool like that even used correctly always finds its way into the wrong hands.

  • Apple should still be prosecuted for hindering a terror investigation.

    "You planning on having a long relationship with that glass or are you going to drink it? Drink up, man. Maybe we can get another.” - Janis Joplin, 1970.

  • It'd be really funny if they just tried 1234

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