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If only the Giants fans were their GM they are really starting to panic. Some of them are saying do whatever it takes to get Braylon like 2 first or whatever it takes. Some also seem to think that his hands are too big of a concern. (dont know where they got this idea) Its pretty fun reading through this thread it is stickied at the top of their board.
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I was for getting rid of braylon but after looking the situation over carefully after stallworths tragedy im not so sure we can prosper this season without him on the otherhand if he walks on us next year we get nothing in return and his offers will be abundant..its a tough call for mankok im onboard with whatever they choose to do in this situation..
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I was for getting rid of braylon but after looking the situation over carefully after stallworths tragedy im not so sure we can prosper this season without him on the otherhand if he walks on us next year we get nothing in return and his offers will be abundant..its a tough call for mankok im onboard with whatever they choose to do in this situation..
I was for getting rid of braylon but after looking the situation over carefully after stallworths tragedy im not so sure we can prosper this season without him on the otherhand if he walks on us next year we get nothing in return its a tough call for mankok im onboard with whatever they choose to do in this situation..
The way I look at this is I dont think he is going to want to stay after next year and I do not plan on us being a power house that has a chance to truly make a run. We are back in a rebuilding mode (hopefully it is only 1-2 years) and so I would love to take the picks and build for a few years down the road.
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We have options, folks. Can we not Franchise him next offseason if we chose to? It is far from time to declare him gone IMO.
mz. said:
We have options, folks. Can we not Franchise him next offseason if we chose to? It is far from time to declare him gone IMO.I don't think he has been consistent enough to warrant us playing his as one of the very top receivers in the league like we would if we had to franchise him. Plus I think he would be an even bigger pain in the ass after he was franchised. I could be wrong on this but I feel like if we have a chance to get a little more out of the Giants than he is worth we should do it.
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It seems to me that this could be a draft day deal.
Trying to look at it as Giants fan, I think I'd prefer to try and trade up to #5 if Crabtree is available at that point. If they wanted to go that route it would have to be a draft day deal.
I'd switch first round picks with the Giants if they would give me their third and fifth. Could the Browns get more for that switch? I have no idea. Maybe they could get more if the Giants are as desperate as they may end up being since cutting Plaxico.
For me personally, accepting a third round and fifth rounder for the switch is more of a sign of how unimpressed I am with any #5 pick as much as it is the need for the Browns to get deeper.
This way you keep Edwards and still are going to get a lot of help with picks #29, #36, #50 and #91.
I'd think the Giants wouldn't trade for Edwards without a new contract first. Unless they would plan on Franchising him which is possible since Snee and Webster will no longer be 2010 UFA's.
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I've been on this horse for awhile now. First off, any inclination of a 1st and 3rd and this should have been done already, but prior reports were that the Browns wanted Steve Smith and the Gmen countered with Domenick Hixon, a guy I wanted to draft when he came out of Akron.
mz the pussy and you others, understand this is rebuild time whether we like it or not. Doesn't mean I'm completely giving up on next year, but we can tread water with a guy like Edwards or capitalize on his value now. His value declines huge next year, and besides that, we may need to franchise someone else. You stockpile more picks with him and take Crabtree at five, period. Or at that point, someone else figuring they will definitely take Crab may want to move up with us for the right price.
If they can parlay an underachiever such as Edwards into valued picks in a transition year (before he loses value as a future FA) that's the smart thing to do, hands down. This is a pivotal year for this franchise to really change the climate around here the right way and build with picks.
So we're weak at WR for a year, it's not like having Edwards last year did anything for us.
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It seems to me that this could be a draft day deal.
Trying to look at it as Giants fan, I think I'd prefer to try and trade up to #5 if Crabtree is available at that point. If they wanted to go that route it would have to be a draft day deal.
I'd switch first round picks with the Giants if they would give me their third and fifth. Could the Browns get more for that switch? I have no idea. Maybe they could get more if the Giants are as desperate as they may end up being since cutting Plaxico.
For me personally, accepting a third round and fifth rounder for the switch is more of a sign of how unimpressed I am with any #5 pick as much as it is the need for the Browns to get deeper.
This way you keep Edwards and still are going to get a lot of help with picks #29, #36, #50 and #91.
I'd think the Giants wouldn't trade for Edwards without a new contract first. Unless they would plan on Franchising him which is possible since Snee and Webster will no longer be 2010 UFA's.
It seems to me that this could be a draft day deal.
Trying to look at it as Giants fan, I think I'd prefer to try and trade up to #5 if Crabtree is available at that point. If they wanted to go that route it would have to be a draft day deal.
I'd switch first round picks with the Giants if they would give me their third and fifth. Could the Browns get more for that switch? I have no idea. Maybe they could get more if the Giants are as desperate as they may end up being since cutting Plaxico.
For me personally, accepting a third round and fifth rounder for the switch is more of a sign of how unimpressed I am with any #5 pick as much as it is the need for the Browns to get deeper.
This way you keep Edwards and still are going to get a lot of help with picks #29, #36, #50 and #91.
I'd think the Giants wouldn't trade for Edwards without a new contract first. Unless they would plan on Franchising him which is possible since Snee and Webster will no longer be 2010 UFA's.
NO NO NO
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I've been on this horse for awhile now. First off, any inclination of a 1st and 3rd and this should have been done already, but prior reports were that the Browns wanted Steve Smith and the Gmen countered with Domenick Hixon, a guy I wanted to draft when he came out of Akron.
mz the pussy and you others, understand this is rebuild time whether we like it or not. Doesn't mean I'm completely giving up on next year, but we can tread water with a guy like Edwards or capitalize on his value now. His value declines huge next year, and besides that, we may need to franchise someone else. You stockpile more picks with him and take Crabtree at five, period. Or at that point, someone else figuring they will definitely take Crab may want to move up with us for the right price.
If they can parlay an underachiever such as Edwards into valued picks in a transition year (before he loses value as a future FA) that's the smart thing to do, hands down. This is a pivotal year for this franchise to really change the climate around here the right way and build with picks.
So we're weak at WR for a year, it's not like having Edwards last year did anything for us.
I've been on this horse for awhile now. First off, any inclination of a 1st and 3rd and this should have been done already, but prior reports were that the Browns wanted Steve Smith and the Gmen countered with Domenick Hixon, a guy I wanted to draft when he came out of Akron.
mz the pussy and you others, understand this is rebuild time whether we like it or not. Doesn't mean I'm completely giving up on next year, but we can tread water with a guy like Edwards or capitalize on his value now. His value declines huge next year, and besides that, we may need to franchise someone else. You stockpile more picks with him and take Crabtree at five, period. Or at that point, someone else figuring they will definitely take Crab may want to move up with us for the right price.
If they can parlay an underachiever such as Edwards into valued picks in a transition year (before he loses value as a future FA) that's the smart thing to do, hands down. This is a pivotal year for this franchise to really change the climate around here the right way and build with picks.
So we're weak at WR for a year, it's not like having Edwards last year did anything for us.
I agree with you Riffer.....It's just hard for me to think the Giants will want to give up #29 AND #91 for a guy that lead the league in drops, has no contract and hasn't been the best of teammates.
The way BE threw DA under the bus, could you imagine the media hype in NYC if he'd do the same to Eli? That kind of stuff can bring a season crashing down.
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I've been on this horse for awhile now. First off, any inclination of a 1st and 3rd and this should have been done already, but prior reports were that the Browns wanted Steve Smith and the Gmen countered with Domenick Hixon, a guy I wanted to draft when he came out of Akron.
mz the pussy and you others, understand this is rebuild time whether we like it or not. Doesn't mean I'm completely giving up on next year, but we can tread water with a guy like Edwards or capitalize on his value now. His value declines huge next year, and besides that, we may need to franchise someone else. You stockpile more picks with him and take Crabtree at five, period. Or at that point, someone else figuring they will definitely take Crab may want to move up with us for the right price.
If they can parlay an underachiever such as Edwards into valued picks in a transition year (before he loses value as a future FA) that's the smart thing to do, hands down. This is a pivotal year for this franchise to really change the climate around here the right way and build with picks.
So we're weak at WR for a year, it's not like having Edwards last year did anything for us.
I agree with you Riffer.....It's just hard for me to think the Giants will want to give up #29 AND #91 for a guy that lead the league in drops, has no contract and hasn't been the best of teammates.
The way BE threw DA under the bus, could you imagine the media hype in NYC if he'd do the same to Eli? That kind of stuff can bring a season crashing down.
I agree with you Riffer.....It's just hard for me to think the Giants will want to give up #29 AND #91 for a guy that lead the league in drops, has no contract and hasn't been the best of teammates.
The way BE threw DA under the bus, could you imagine the media hype in NYC if he'd do the same to Eli? That kind of stuff can bring a season crashing down.
Only difference is that Eli is a quarterback. DA is just an oaf.
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I think Edwards would pull a Moss to the Pats type turn around in NY since Eli tends to hit his receivers in stride and not hang them out to dry in traffic.
I honestly think Edwards is through with us here, he thinks we hate him because of being part of the team up north, which isn't true by the way, it's from all the god damned drops! Anyways, you take what you can get and run with it. When someone doesn't want to be here they're not going to give it 100%, and we all saw what that did for us last season.
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If I am the Giants..I am not making this trade. I go with Steve smith, Hixon, and manningham.. use one of my picks on another reciever. They have no need to panic. They have a decent stable of young guys with good upside.
I would prefer to see... is resign Braylon RIGHT NOW and end this mess. This guy is a star.. I believe the Braylon of 2 years ago is the real Braylon, not the one for last year dropping passes. I think the whole team played stiff last year.. The QB situation effected everyone and coach Crennel did nothing to help... .. I think we make Braylon an offer to stay.. If he says no.. only then am I trading him. I like the idea of getting one of the giants other recievers for the 2 spot and getting crabtree with out 5th.. If Seattle does not snag him to match with TJ Housh.. TJ is already an older reciever and Seattle may be playing possum with the league.
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I've been on this horse for awhile now. First off, any inclination of a 1st and 3rd and this should have been done already, but prior reports were that the Browns wanted Steve Smith and the Gmen countered with Domenick Hixon, a guy I wanted to draft when he came out of Akron.
mz the pussy and you others, understand this is rebuild time whether we like it or not. Doesn't mean I'm completely giving up on next year, but we can tread water with a guy like Edwards or capitalize on his value now. His value declines huge next year, and besides that, we may need to franchise someone else. You stockpile more picks with him and take Crabtree at five, period. Or at that point, someone else figuring they will definitely take Crab may want to move up with us for the right price.
If they can parlay an underachiever such as Edwards into valued picks in a transition year (before he loses value as a future FA) that's the smart thing to do, hands down. This is a pivotal year for this franchise to really change the climate around here the right way and build with picks.
So we're weak at WR for a year, it's not like having Edwards last year did anything for us.
I've been on this horse for awhile now. First off, any inclination of a 1st and 3rd and this should have been done already, but prior reports were that the Browns wanted Steve Smith and the Gmen countered with Domenick Hixon, a guy I wanted to draft when he came out of Akron.
mz the pussy and you others, understand this is rebuild time whether we like it or not. Doesn't mean I'm completely giving up on next year, but we can tread water with a guy like Edwards or capitalize on his value now. His value declines huge next year, and besides that, we may need to franchise someone else. You stockpile more picks with him and take Crabtree at five, period. Or at that point, someone else figuring they will definitely take Crab may want to move up with us for the right price.
If they can parlay an underachiever such as Edwards into valued picks in a transition year (before he loses value as a future FA) that's the smart thing to do, hands down. This is a pivotal year for this franchise to really change the climate around here the right way and build with picks.
So we're weak at WR for a year, it's not like having Edwards last year did anything for us.
Well said. If memory serves me right, Eric Wright could NOT cover Hixon during our preseason game. I remembered the steller performance and think there's some upside with him. Very intriguing young player.
That said, I also remember Braylon Edwards gave us 17 TDs in 1 season so I think Mancock is looking to fill a shopping cart with exchange value instead of 1 guy NY hasn't used as a fulltime starter. NY shouldn't be the one looking for all kinds of shopping coupons if they want to replace Burress with someone capable of Burress like stats.
Nothing wrong with Mancock feeling out what player/players here have BIGGEST exchange value. We put Dumb Ass on the open market and all we got in return were Condolence Cards on Recycled paper from teams thinking "no thanks - looks good on you though." It got even more comical when our version of Linda Lovelace for DA turned it into a chestpounding session. I'm still wondering the precise thought process that thinks 31 HELL-NO's is bragging material. Then again, why question the cubed root of ignorance when it has such an explosive entertainment value? If Jim Marshall wants to run the wrong way with the football for a TD - who wants to stand in his way of celebrating it right? Thanks Loverboy!
- Tom F.
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I've been on this horse for awhile now. First off, any inclination of a 1st and 3rd and this should have been done already, but prior reports were that the Browns wanted Steve Smith and the Gmen countered with Domenick Hixon, a guy I wanted to draft when he came out of Akron.
mz the pussy and you others, understand this is rebuild time whether we like it or not. Doesn't mean I'm completely giving up on next year, but we can tread water with a guy like Edwards or capitalize on his value now. His value declines huge next year, and besides that, we may need to franchise someone else. You stockpile more picks with him and take Crabtree at five, period. Or at that point, someone else figuring they will definitely take Crab may want to move up with us for the right price.
If they can parlay an underachiever such as Edwards into valued picks in a transition year (before he loses value as a future FA) that's the smart thing to do, hands down. This is a pivotal year for this franchise to really change the climate around here the right way and build with picks.
So we're weak at WR for a year, it's not like having Edwards last year did anything for us.
I've been on this horse for awhile now. First off, any inclination of a 1st and 3rd and this should have been done already, but prior reports were that the Browns wanted Steve Smith and the Gmen countered with Domenick Hixon, a guy I wanted to draft when he came out of Akron.
mz the pussy and you others, understand this is rebuild time whether we like it or not. Doesn't mean I'm completely giving up on next year, but we can tread water with a guy like Edwards or capitalize on his value now. His value declines huge next year, and besides that, we may need to franchise someone else. You stockpile more picks with him and take Crabtree at five, period. Or at that point, someone else figuring they will definitely take Crab may want to move up with us for the right price.
If they can parlay an underachiever such as Edwards into valued picks in a transition year (before he loses value as a future FA) that's the smart thing to do, hands down. This is a pivotal year for this franchise to really change the climate around here the right way and build with picks.
So we're weak at WR for a year, it's not like having Edwards last year did anything for us.
I agree....If we keep Edwards this year, he'll be gone as a FA & we get nothing & he IS NOT a player I would franchise. If the 1st & 3rd offer surfaces, take it & RUN!
Mike
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Yeah, obviously if anyone offers a 1st and a 3rd round pick for BE the Browns would have to agree to the trade. Although, realistically I don't see you getting anything more than a 2nd and a third. Who was more valuable in pretty much every phase of your offense; BE or KW? BE seems to have the ability to be great, but is too inconsistant. I don't think BE should get anything more than the KW trade got you. Although, I think the Giants may be willing to give a little extra becuase of how bad they need a reciever. I think that a 2nd and either a 4th or 5th pick is most realistic. Of course, look what the Bears traded for Cutler. Getting a first round pick out of a team is a possiblilty, I just don't see the Giant giving up that much.
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I've been on this horse for awhile now. First off, any inclination of a 1st and 3rd and this should have been done already, but prior reports were that the Browns wanted Steve Smith and the Gmen countered with Domenick Hixon, a guy I wanted to draft when he came out of Akron.
mz the pussy and you others, understand this is rebuild time whether we like it or not. Doesn't mean I'm completely giving up on next year, but we can tread water with a guy like Edwards or capitalize on his value now. His value declines huge next year, and besides that, we may need to franchise someone else. You stockpile more picks with him and take Crabtree at five, period. Or at that point, someone else figuring they will definitely take Crab may want to move up with us for the right price.
If they can parlay an underachiever such as Edwards into valued picks in a transition year (before he loses value as a future FA) that's the smart thing to do, hands down. This is a pivotal year for this franchise to really change the climate around here the right way and build with picks.
So we're weak at WR for a year, it's not like having Edwards last year did anything for us.
I've been on this horse for awhile now. First off, any inclination of a 1st and 3rd and this should have been done already, but prior reports were that the Browns wanted Steve Smith and the Gmen countered with Domenick Hixon, a guy I wanted to draft when he came out of Akron.
mz the pussy and you others, understand this is rebuild time whether we like it or not. Doesn't mean I'm completely giving up on next year, but we can tread water with a guy like Edwards or capitalize on his value now. His value declines huge next year, and besides that, we may need to franchise someone else. You stockpile more picks with him and take Crabtree at five, period. Or at that point, someone else figuring they will definitely take Crab may want to move up with us for the right price.
If they can parlay an underachiever such as Edwards into valued picks in a transition year (before he loses value as a future FA) that's the smart thing to do, hands down. This is a pivotal year for this franchise to really change the climate around here the right way and build with picks.
So we're weak at WR for a year, it's not like having Edwards last year did anything for us.
Actually a Philly may be a bigger player then the Giants. I believe both might be interesed in trading up for pick #5 over taking Edwards.
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Yeah, obviously if anyone offers a 1st and a 3rd round pick for BE the Browns would have to agree to the trade. Although, realistically I don't see you getting anything more than a 2nd and a third. Who was more valuable in pretty much every phase of your offense; BE or KW? BE seems to have the ability to be great, but is too inconsistant. I don't think BE should get anything more than the KW trade got you. Although, I think the Giants may be willing to give a little extra becuase of how bad they need a reciever. I think that a 2nd and either a 4th or 5th pick is most realistic. Of course, look what the Bears traded for Cutler. Getting a first round pick out of a team is a possiblilty, I just don't see the Giant giving up that much.
Sivlerback DPOY said:
Yeah, obviously if anyone offers a 1st and a 3rd round pick for BE the Browns would have to agree to the trade. Although, realistically I don't see you getting anything more than a 2nd and a third. Who was more valuable in pretty much every phase of your offense; BE or KW? BE seems to have the ability to be great, but is too inconsistant. I don't think BE should get anything more than the KW trade got you. Although, I think the Giants may be willing to give a little extra becuase of how bad they need a reciever. I think that a 2nd and either a 4th or 5th pick is most realistic. Of course, look what the Bears traded for Cutler. Getting a first round pick out of a team is a possiblilty, I just don't see the Giant giving up that much.Two second rounders does it for me.
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Folks, if CLE trades BE, who are the weapons at WR for Quinn or Anderson to throw to? CLE moves Edwards, that leaves no weapons at WR, and CLE already moved Winslow. Even if CLE were to draft Crabtree, that would have them banking on a rookied to carry the full load at WR. While either guy the G-men supposedly wanted to throw in can play WR, they at best are 2nd or 3rd WR right now. They didn't exactly step up for the Giants last season when Plex got suspended. NYG passing game went in the garbage.
Many here know I am not that high on Edwards. I wasn't sold on him coming out do to his mental lapses on the easy catches. I was also the one reminding those last season who were calling him the best WR in the NFL before the start of this season, on this very board. But the guy has everything to be a #1 and did put up huge numbers in 2007. They may not be the precise norm for him, but they aren't a fluke either. The guy can play and you don't remove the weapon from your QB when it is your only weapon. You can't replace Edwards this year alone, and CLE already needs to replace Stallworth at the #2 WR.
CLE can keep Edwards and still have options next year. They can franchise him or use the transition tag on him. Keep in mind that w/ next year as an uncapped year, part of that allows teams to use both the franchise tag and the transition player tag in the same year. So even if CLE had another player they wanted to keep, they could. CLE could then move Edwards as well. There is the risk his stock could fall, but it could also rise. It's a risk either way. The bigger risk is sending your QB out on the field with no one to pass to. We as Browns fans have all seen how good a QB looks w/ zero targets. Maybe other long for the days of Couch to KJ, but I'd rather not see that again.
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right now a 2nd and a 3rd do it for me.
I'm soooooooo glad some of you people aren't our G.M. Clayton reported 1st and 3rd is the starting point which is more like it....Braylon is 1 year removed from a monster season and he was having a fantastic camp before he got injured last year. There were several factors as to why he had such a bad season but I fully expect him to bounce back big this season. I'm not for trading him but the minimum I would be happy with is a 1 and a 3.....anything less and I'll be pissed! The only reason I'm okay with trading him for a 1 and a 3 is that I think we are in full rebuilding mode again and if thats the case I want all the draftpicks we can compile!!!
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