More Quinn to Denver speculation
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I was watching NFL Network this morning and they were discussing the Broncos QB situation (surprise). They mentioned that Quinn was NOT high on NE's draft board when he came out...and that they really doubted that Quinn was a player that McDaniel would really want.
Obviously this is all speculation, but an interesting twist to this whole thing.
I was watching NFL Network this morning and they were discussing the Broncos QB situation (surprise). They mentioned that Quinn was NOT high on NE's draft board when he came out...and that they really doubted that Quinn was a player that McDaniel would really want.
Obviously this is all speculation, but an interesting twist to this whole thing.
If you have Tom Brady why would you have a QB high on your draft board?
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I was watching NFL Network this morning and they were discussing the Broncos QB situation (surprise). They mentioned that Quinn was NOT high on NE's draft board when he came out...and that they really doubted that Quinn was a player that McDaniel would really want.
Obviously this is all speculation, but an interesting twist to this whole thing.
If you have Tom Brady why would you have a QB high on your draft board?
nmills said:
If you have Tom Brady why would you have a QB high on your draft board?they were referring to his RATING...not his draft position
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Let's see, as a life long Cleveland sports fan I could see this happening for sure. Quinn goes on to become one of the best franchise QB's for years and Denver has mad success, meanwhile the Browns will be on their 400th starting QB by the year 2020 and we'll be talking still about how we went with the Doofus from Scapoosus back circa 2010.
It all adds up. This may be the "woe is me" attitude Phillip kept talking about, but unfortunately Phillip made me the way I am going with Dexter last year.
Is a pig's ass pork? -
I think we all know belichick does not draft great qbs but instead he makes mediocre to good qbs great by custom building the team and his system into and around his chosen qb and their backup...
Its going to be interesting to see how bq turns out rather its in brownstown or somewhere else...its going to be even more interesting to see what kind of failure of a qb this regime will replace bq and da with and then successfully package it and sell it to a fanbase thats as dumb as they come...ahhh yes i taste more disappointment in our near future lol
Seriously does anyone trust manginis judgement on quarterbacks?
He cant be as bad as phats was but his history with qbs indicates they are not the kind of qbs that win playoff games or his system sucks or both..
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Sure I would trade him say for 2 first round a 3rd and Kyle Orton. Id say it is fair.
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Let's see, as a life long Cleveland sports fan I could see this happening for sure. Quinn goes on to become one of the best franchise QB's for years and Denver has mad success, meanwhile the Browns will be on their 400th starting QB by the year 2020 and we'll be talking still about how we went with the Doofus from Scapoosus back circa 2010.
It all adds up. This may be the "woe is me" attitude Phillip kept talking about, but unfortunately Phillip made me the way I am going with Dexter last year.
Let's see, as a life long Cleveland sports fan I could see this happening for sure. Quinn goes on to become one of the best franchise QB's for years and Denver has mad success, meanwhile the Browns will be on their 400th starting QB by the year 2020 and we'll be talking still about how we went with the Doofus from Scapoosus back circa 2010.
It all adds up. This may be the "woe is me" attitude Phillip kept talking about, but unfortunately Phillip made me the way I am going with Dexter last year.
Alas I am pretty much resigned to this as well....UGH
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Let's see, as a life long Cleveland sports fan I could see this happening for sure. Quinn goes on to become one of the best franchise QB's for years and Denver has mad success, meanwhile the Browns will be on their 400th starting QB by the year 2020 and we'll be talking still about how we went with the Doofus from Scapoosus back circa 2010.
It all adds up. This may be the "woe is me" attitude Phillip kept talking about, but unfortunately Phillip made me the way I am going with Dexter last year.
Let's see, as a life long Cleveland sports fan I could see this happening for sure. Quinn goes on to become one of the best franchise QB's for years and Denver has mad success, meanwhile the Browns will be on their 400th starting QB by the year 2020 and we'll be talking still about how we went with the Doofus from Scapoosus back circa 2010.
It all adds up. This may be the "woe is me" attitude Phillip kept talking about, but unfortunately Phillip made me the way I am going with Dexter last year.
I think many of us see this as gospel riff...its just the way it has to be...lol
On the otherhand if bq stays with the lack of targets we have he may be drummed out of town by next year bqs success is conditional...hehehehehe
Sadly enough if DA goes to detroit he will exceed cutler and break all of detroits records if he stays here he is the same dexter he has always been...lol
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I was watching NFL Network this morning and they were discussing the Broncos QB situation (surprise). They mentioned that Quinn was NOT high on NE's draft board when he came out...and that they really doubted that Quinn was a player that McDaniel would really want.
Obviously this is all speculation, but an interesting twist to this whole thing.
I was watching NFL Network this morning and they were discussing the Broncos QB situation (surprise). They mentioned that Quinn was NOT high on NE's draft board when he came out...and that they really doubted that Quinn was a player that McDaniel would really want.
Obviously this is all speculation, but an interesting twist to this whole thing.
What's funny about this whole "throw mud against the wall and see what sticks" media speculation is that while in NE McDaniel was mostly a defensive coach and Dabol was a offensive coach. Weis had more to do with Dabol then he had to do with McDaniel.
I love how the media can see how 2 + 2 = 5.
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Let's see, as a life long Cleveland sports fan I could see this happening for sure. Quinn goes on to become one of the best franchise QB's for years and Denver has mad success, meanwhile the Browns will be on their 400th starting QB by the year 2020 and we'll be talking still about how we went with the Doofus from Scapoosus back circa 2010.
It all adds up. This may be the "woe is me" attitude Phillip kept talking about, but unfortunately Phillip made me the way I am going with Dexter last year.
Let's see, as a life long Cleveland sports fan I could see this happening for sure. Quinn goes on to become one of the best franchise QB's for years and Denver has mad success, meanwhile the Browns will be on their 400th starting QB by the year 2020 and we'll be talking still about how we went with the Doofus from Scapoosus back circa 2010.
It all adds up. This may be the "woe is me" attitude Phillip kept talking about, but unfortunately Phillip made me the way I am going with Dexter last year.
And don't forget, we'll still have Lummy saying DA deserves another shot from his one probowl year 10 years from now when he's still on the roter as a backup and passes Farve as the all time leader in interceptions with limited playing time.
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Let's see, as a life long Cleveland sports fan I could see this happening for sure. Quinn goes on to become one of the best franchise QB's for years and Denver has mad success, meanwhile the Browns will be on their 400th starting QB by the year 2020 and we'll be talking still about how we went with the Doofus from Scapoosus back circa 2010.
It all adds up. This may be the "woe is me" attitude Phillip kept talking about, but unfortunately Phillip made me the way I am going with Dexter last year.
Let's see, as a life long Cleveland sports fan I could see this happening for sure. Quinn goes on to become one of the best franchise QB's for years and Denver has mad success, meanwhile the Browns will be on their 400th starting QB by the year 2020 and we'll be talking still about how we went with the Doofus from Scapoosus back circa 2010.
It all adds up. This may be the "woe is me" attitude Phillip kept talking about, but unfortunately Phillip made me the way I am going with Dexter last year.
No, Quinn engineers the 'Drive II' and goes on to win multiple Superbowls, always beating us out and keeping us just shy of winning the big one.
THAT is worst case scenario.
Yeah, I liked Mangini at the time, but boy DID I want Marty.
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I was watching NFL Network this morning and they were discussing the Broncos QB situation (surprise). They mentioned that Quinn was NOT high on NE's draft board when he came out...and that they really doubted that Quinn was a player that McDaniel would really want.
Obviously this is all speculation, but an interesting twist to this whole thing.
I was watching NFL Network this morning and they were discussing the Broncos QB situation (surprise). They mentioned that Quinn was NOT high on NE's draft board when he came out...and that they really doubted that Quinn was a player that McDaniel would really want.
Obviously this is all speculation, but an interesting twist to this whole thing.
Quinn was all over the place with scouts and ratings. That year TSN had Quinn rated a 3rd round talent.
That might be a stretch, but it does show some scouts didn't feel he was all that great a prospect.
I am sure there were several teams who had Quinn rated as a 2nd round talent....and that probably isn't stretching matters.
I guess the bottom line is BQ wasn't a slam dunk choice around the league.
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@inspecta said:
Peen, had we not come in and scooped up Quinn he would not of made it out of the first round. You can bank on that.Every mock I had seen leading up to that draft had Quinn going in the top ten, not sure where this 2nd round bullshit came from, but if you got a source I'd love to read it.
Not sure i can find it as it was the write up in the draft guide....
http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn/viewtopic.php?p=1888536
And what about Brady Quinn?
Brady Quinn is this year's Matt Leinart. He'll probably come out of the draft process with the same view Leinart expressed last June. "These (scouts) look to drag you down," Leinart said with disgust. Quinn has gone through a similar dissection the past few months.
Unlike Russell, Quinn doesn't have much room for growth. So he doesn't excite anyone, much like Leinart, who slipped to Arizona at No. 10 last April. "Quinn is a solid player and you know what you are getting, and there is something to be said for that," says Scot McCloughan, 49ers vice president of player personnel.
Quinn has been groomed for much of his life to play quarterback in the NFL. He comes from a complex offense at Notre Dame, he has impressive work habits, his mechanics are flawless, and he is tough. And NFL folks aren't as hung up as you might expect on the "Can he win big games?" question attached to his resume. But sometimes he is inexplicably inaccurate, and he'll have to prove he can make consistently good decisions under pressure. At best, he is a second-level pro quarterback, below the Peyton Mannings and Carson Palmers.
This link shows him the 4th best qb in that draft behind Russell, Kolb, and Beck...near the bottom of the page
http://warroom.sportingnews.com/nfl/draft/sample/index.html
This one gets a little closer, but you have to pay to read on, but it paints the picture...calls Quinn the biggest fraud in the draft.
http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P3-1235265901.html
I link this blog to at least show I am not just fabricating stories about what I read on Quinn. I hope i have at least dispelled any thinking in that regard....
http://chff.blogspot.com/2007/02/brady-quinn-bust.html
Found it....
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According to a Pittsburgh paper (cant remember which) it said there was a straight up trade, Cutler for Quinn, but Cutler nixed it. I cant see Cutler calling the shots on this type of trade. Maybe the paper was just poking at Cleveland. Did anyone hear this too?
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According to a Pittsburgh paper (cant remember which) it said there was a straight up trade, Cutler for Quinn, but Cutler nixed it. I cant see Cutler calling the shots on this type of trade. Maybe the paper was just poking at Cleveland. Did anyone hear this too?
According to a Pittsburgh paper (cant remember which) it said there was a straight up trade, Cutler for Quinn, but Cutler nixed it. I cant see Cutler calling the shots on this type of trade. Maybe the paper was just poking at Cleveland. Did anyone hear this too?
Honestly, we've read so much it's hard to keep track of all of it.
I'll bet we read 20 different versions and possibilites to this trade. Maybe more than that. It's mind boggling and I think most posters on here just want it to die a quick death.
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@inspecta said:
Very well. Although most mainstream media still had Quinn going in the top ten, if that wasn't the case then it would of been no big deal when he plummeted out of the top ten.I knew there was some knocks on his accuracy but I didn't know they were tearing him apart like that. Thanks for the links Peen, I appreciate it.
No problem man. On this issue I really don't take a position as all I care about is having the best team possible. I don't care who plays.......just win as the saying goes.
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I guess that now makes all my previous assessments on Quinn irrelevant........good take my friend
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@inspecta said:
Peen, had we not come in and scooped up Quinn he would not of made it out of the first round. You can bank on that.Every mock I had seen leading up to that draft had Quinn going in the top ten, not sure where this 2nd round bullshit came from, but if you got a source I'd love to read it.
Not sure i can find it as it was the write up in the draft guide....
http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn/viewtopic.php?p=1888536
And what about Brady Quinn?
Brady Quinn is this year's Matt Leinart. He'll probably come out of the draft process with the same view Leinart expressed last June. "These (scouts) look to drag you down," Leinart said with disgust. Quinn has gone through a similar dissection the past few months.
Unlike Russell, Quinn doesn't have much room for growth. So he doesn't excite anyone, much like Leinart, who slipped to Arizona at No. 10 last April. "Quinn is a solid player and you know what you are getting, and there is something to be said for that," says Scot McCloughan, 49ers vice president of player personnel.
Quinn has been groomed for much of his life to play quarterback in the NFL. He comes from a complex offense at Notre Dame, he has impressive work habits, his mechanics are flawless, and he is tough. And NFL folks aren't as hung up as you might expect on the "Can he win big games?" question attached to his resume. But sometimes he is inexplicably inaccurate, and he'll have to prove he can make consistently good decisions under pressure. At best, he is a second-level pro quarterback, below the Peyton Mannings and Carson Palmers.
This link shows him the 4th best qb in that draft behind Russell, Kolb, and Beck...near the bottom of the page
http://warroom.sportingnews.com/nfl/draft/sample/index.html
This one gets a little closer, but you have to pay to read on, but it paints the picture...calls Quinn the biggest fraud in the draft.
http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P3-1235265901.html
I link this blog to at least show I am not just fabricating stories about what I read on Quinn. I hope i have at least dispelled any thinking in that regard....
http://chff.blogspot.com/2007/02/brady-quinn-bust.html
Found it....
...This link shows him the 4th best qb in that draft behind Russell, Kolb, and Beck...near the bottom of the page
http://warroom.sportingnews.com/nfl/draft/sample/index.html...
Holy cow, who? Kolb? Beck? I had to Google those guys. 1 TD and 7 INT's between them so far in the NFL.
Remind me not to go to that site for this year's draft.
I will say Jamarcus had a better 2008 than I recalled. He still looks too dear-in-the-headlights for me to believe he'll pan out. He'll need a super star (Moss or Fitzgerald) type of WR to make him look good, IMHO.
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I know you guys don't give a sh-t, but if we trade Quinn before week 6 of this season, I'm done with the Browns, FOR REAL.
Mangini and Lerner will go down in history as the reason the Browns left Cleveland PERMANENTLY if Quinn EVER has success ANYWHERE ELSE.
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@inspecta said:
Peen, had we not come in and scooped up Quinn he would not of made it out of the first round. You can bank on that.Every mock I had seen leading up to that draft had Quinn going in the top ten, not sure where this 2nd round bullshit came from, but if you got a source I'd love to read it.
Not sure i can find it as it was the write up in the draft guide....
http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn/viewtopic.php?p=1888536
And what about Brady Quinn?
Brady Quinn is this year's Matt Leinart. He'll probably come out of the draft process with the same view Leinart expressed last June. "These (scouts) look to drag you down," Leinart said with disgust. Quinn has gone through a similar dissection the past few months.
Unlike Russell, Quinn doesn't have much room for growth. So he doesn't excite anyone, much like Leinart, who slipped to Arizona at No. 10 last April. "Quinn is a solid player and you know what you are getting, and there is something to be said for that," says Scot McCloughan, 49ers vice president of player personnel.
Quinn has been groomed for much of his life to play quarterback in the NFL. He comes from a complex offense at Notre Dame, he has impressive work habits, his mechanics are flawless, and he is tough. And NFL folks aren't as hung up as you might expect on the "Can he win big games?" question attached to his resume. But sometimes he is inexplicably inaccurate, and he'll have to prove he can make consistently good decisions under pressure. At best, he is a second-level pro quarterback, below the Peyton Mannings and Carson Palmers.
This link shows him the 4th best qb in that draft behind Russell, Kolb, and Beck...near the bottom of the page
http://warroom.sportingnews.com/nfl/draft/sample/index.html
This one gets a little closer, but you have to pay to read on, but it paints the picture...calls Quinn the biggest fraud in the draft.
http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P3-1235265901.html
I link this blog to at least show I am not just fabricating stories about what I read on Quinn. I hope i have at least dispelled any thinking in that regard....
http://chff.blogspot.com/2007/02/brady-quinn-bust.html
Found it....
Not sure i can find it as it was the write up in the draft guide....
http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn/viewtopic.php?p=1888536
And what about Brady Quinn?
Brady Quinn is this year's Matt Leinart. He'll probably come out of the draft process with the same view Leinart expressed last June. "These (scouts) look to drag you down," Leinart said with disgust. Quinn has gone through a similar dissection the past few months.
Unlike Russell, Quinn doesn't have much room for growth. So he doesn't excite anyone, much like Leinart, who slipped to Arizona at No. 10 last April. "Quinn is a solid player and you know what you are getting, and there is something to be said for that," says Scot McCloughan, 49ers vice president of player personnel.
Quinn has been groomed for much of his life to play quarterback in the NFL. He comes from a complex offense at Notre Dame, he has impressive work habits, his mechanics are flawless, and he is tough. And NFL folks aren't as hung up as you might expect on the "Can he win big games?" question attached to his resume. But sometimes he is inexplicably inaccurate, and he'll have to prove he can make consistently good decisions under pressure. At best, he is a second-level pro quarterback, below the Peyton Mannings and Carson Palmers.
This link shows him the 4th best qb in that draft behind Russell, Kolb, and Beck...near the bottom of the page
http://warroom.sportingnews.com/nfl/draft/sample/index.html
This one gets a little closer, but you have to pay to read on, but it paints the picture...calls Quinn the biggest fraud in the draft.
http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P3-1235265901.html
I link this blog to at least show I am not just fabricating stories about what I read on Quinn. I hope i have at least dispelled any thinking in that regard....
http://chff.blogspot.com/2007/02/brady-quinn-bust.html
Found it....
Thanks for the links peen...we got to see bq in 2 and a part of a third game and he most certainly looked for real to me he looked really poised for a guy straight off the bench with 20 or so snaps with an already ailing first team..
A lot of people and writers do not like bq for various reasons but ive watched bq play with ND for almost 4 years i rarely missed a game and i have seen the kid do some amazing stuff including some insane bombs i considered him pro ready 2 years before he was drafted...his lack of accuracy on the long ball is more of a running for your life while still getting a fairly well thrown ball down field thing...a lot of his so called inaccuracy was on the run in heavy pressure and from odd throwing positions it ussually worked out better then a sack..
ND didnt and still doesnt have a good o-line bq always reminded me of john elway somehow finding ways to get it done with a bad line and mediocre recievers..this kid can play ball its just a matter of when and for who he plays for and then all will know he can play at the nfl level..
As for being inexplicably inaccurate at times yes at times like any other qb his throwing in some games would leave you saying to yourself...what the hell was that?
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...This link shows him the 4th best qb in that draft behind Russell, Kolb, and Beck...near the bottom of the page
http://warroom.sportingnews.com/nfl/draft/sample/index.html...
Holy cow, who? Kolb? Beck? I had to Google those guys. 1 TD and 7 INT's between them so far in the NFL.
Remind me not to go to that site for this year's draft.
I will say Jamarcus had a better 2008 than I recalled. He still looks too dear-in-the-headlights for me to believe he'll pan out. He'll need a super star (Moss or Fitzgerald) type of WR to make him look good, IMHO.
Holy cow, who? Kolb? Beck? I had to Google those guys. 1 TD and 7 INT's between them so far in the NFL.
Remind me not to go to that site for this year's draft.
I will say Jamarcus had a better 2008 than I recalled. He still looks too dear-in-the-headlights for me to believe he'll pan out. He'll need a super star (Moss or Fitzgerald) type of WR to make him look good, IMHO.
It isn't the site so much.....The Sporting News said he would be a first round pick...just with some warnings.
This just goes back to what we were discussing early on...that there were opinions all over the board with Brady...some teams and scouts thought he was pretty good....others not so good..
So, where does that leave Mangini?? In the end it is going to be his opinion that counts...
As to the guy who said he was done with the Browns if BQ didn't start 6-8 games....you must have been one of the fans to come over when Brady was drafted.
That's cool. Everybody starts liking their team for one reason or another....nobody is born a fan of a certain team or sport and everybody in the juvenile stages of being a fan usually latch on to a player as the reason they become a fan...You have entire eras who latched on to Otto...another Jim Brown, Brian Sipe, Bernie Kosar, etc. ....or even a coach...Paul Brown, Blanton, Sam.....I was Dante Lavelli while playing the childrens sandlots.
This newest era of fan has become frustrated because the only people they could latch on to have largely been an assembly of bums. I hope Quinn, or Anderson, or Thomas....someone steps forward to be that person because young fans need that before they can get over the rooting for individual players and more or less just be fans of the team.
*When i say young fan...I am talking about a stage of being a fan...the age or maturity of the person isn't a factor. It can be a 7 year old or a 40 year old.
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