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  • @clevfan4life said:

    Yeah i dont get it. I got slammed here during the season for daring to question schwartz when he was waving in primary edge rushers into the qb like the guy who Signals the catapult operator on an aircraft carrier. But now nah its no big deal hes gone. Headscratcher

    You mean like he stoned Von Miller? Mitch is far and away the biggest loss of the day, but, yes, even he is "replaceable".

    We can either stew about his loss or see what happens over the next two months.

    @tour2ma said:

    You mean like he stoned Von Miller? Mitch is far and away the biggest loss of the day, but, yes, even he is "replaceable".

    We can either stew about his loss or see what happens over the next two months.

    I guess the issue is Mitch is 26, drafted by the Browns, really good, we have the money but it's not worth paying him value?

  • @baconhound said:

    They haven't sent me packing yet!

    lol.... did they at least pick a good color for your complexion?

    @tour2ma said:

    lol.... did they at least pick a good color for your complexion?

    Slut Red

  • @tour2ma said:

    You mean like he stoned Von Miller? Mitch is far and away the biggest loss of the day, but, yes, even he is "replaceable".

    We can either stew about his loss or see what happens over the next two months.

    I guess the issue is Mitch is 26, drafted by the Browns, really good, we have the money but it's not worth paying him value?

    @baconhound said:

    I guess the issue is Mitch is 26, drafted by the Browns, really good, we have the money but it's not worth paying him value?

    Terms still to be disclosed, but if the rumors are true about Mitch's agent wanting to shop around our increased, final offer, then it was not a matter of paying his value.

  • @baconhound said:

    I guess the issue is Mitch is 26, drafted by the Browns, really good, we have the money but it's not worth paying him value?

    Terms still to be disclosed, but if the rumors are true about Mitch's agent wanting to shop around our increased, final offer, then it was not a matter of paying his value.

    @tour2ma said:

    Terms still to be disclosed, but if the rumors are true about Mitch's agent wanting to shop around our increased, final offer, then it was not a matter of paying his value.

    Maybe a poor choice of words. I guess I don't see the Browns signing Okung for Mitch Money.

  • @clevfan4life said:

    Yeah i dont get it. I got slammed here during the season for daring to question schwartz when he was waving in primary edge rushers into the qb like the guy who Signals the catapult operator on an aircraft carrier. But now nah its no big deal hes gone. Headscratcher

    You mean like he stoned Von Miller? Mitch is far and away the biggest loss of the day, but, yes, even he is "replaceable".

    We can either stew about his loss or see what happens over the next two months.

    @tour2ma said:

    You mean like he stoned Von Miller? Mitch is far and away the biggest loss of the day, but, yes, even he is "replaceable".

    We can either stew about his loss or see what happens over the next two months.

    I thought Miller was hurt that day which is why Sparrett was in there. Or did he play some of the game? In any case he was dealing with something in the middle of the season. Not gonna hold it against him if he took a game here and there off...especially against the Browns. I distinctly remember though Mitchell cutting Sparrett completely loose not once but twice. One of those was an utter destroyal of the QB, forget if it was McCown or Manziel. But Sparrett put his crown into our guys throat...should have been a flag. I rewound the tape multiple times to try to see what Mitchell saw...there was no one to Sparetts left. No creeping CB or nothin. There was zero reason not to at least chip Sparett as he went inside between guard/tackle. It was a LB'ers dream come true. Almost seemed deliberate, who knows.

  • @opal312 said:

    The Jaquars are going to be good this year!

    That's what they said about the "Dream Team" Eagles a few years back...

    @sdballis said:

    That's what they said about the "Dream Team" Eagles a few years back...

    Amen! LOL

    Mike

  • The sky is falling! The sky is falling!

    Oh, woe is us!

    Mike

  • We were 3-13, the 2nd worst team in the league... The guys we lost were a part of that...

    What exactly do we have to lose?

    @thenew23 said:

    We were 3-13, the 2nd worst team in the league... The guys we lost were a part of that...

    What exactly do we have to lose?

    That's some messed up logic. Just because a team has a 3-13 season doesn't mean you don't have talent at certain positions. Texans went 2-14 with JJ Watt I guess he's a no talent jag that should have been let go.

    The Browns went from a 3-13 team to a 0-16, 1-15 Team today. Can those players be replaced? Yes but it's going to take longer now.

  • @tour2ma said:

    You mean like he stoned Von Miller? Mitch is far and away the biggest loss of the day, but, yes, even he is "replaceable".

    We can either stew about his loss or see what happens over the next two months.

    I thought Miller was hurt that day which is why Sparrett was in there. Or did he play some of the game? In any case he was dealing with something in the middle of the season. Not gonna hold it against him if he took a game here and there off...especially against the Browns. I distinctly remember though Mitchell cutting Sparrett completely loose not once but twice. One of those was an utter destroyal of the QB, forget if it was McCown or Manziel. But Sparrett put his crown into our guys throat...should have been a flag. I rewound the tape multiple times to try to see what Mitchell saw...there was no one to Sparetts left. No creeping CB or nothin. There was zero reason not to at least chip Sparett as he went inside between guard/tackle. It was a LB'ers dream come true. Almost seemed deliberate, who knows.

    @clevfan4life said:

    I thought Miller was hurt that day which is why Sparrett was in there.

    Miller played the whole game. Shaq Barrett played in place of Ware who was out with an injury. Barrett had a very good game, but his pressures came off inside loops as part of blitz schemes.

    Miller had one QB Hit at Mitch's expense off an inside spin move.

    Here's the weekly grades: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=38364&do=findComment&comment=540912

  • Almost forgot this is a Gipson thread...

    @sdballis said:

    $7mm and change per year seems high to me for unverified potential.

  • Almost forgot this is a Gipson thread...

    @sdballis said:

    $7mm and change per year seems high to me for unverified potential.

    @tour2ma said:

    $7mm and change per year seems high to me for unverified potential.

    That could be what the analytics say... Gipson has injury history, had one truly good year, and there was obviously bad blood here. Why pay 7mil for him when you can get 80% of his production for half the cost??

  • @tour2ma said:

    $7mm and change per year seems high to me for unverified potential.

    That could be what the analytics say... Gipson has injury history, had one truly good year, and there was obviously bad blood here. Why pay 7mil for him when you can get 80% of his production for half the cost??

    @sdballis said:

    That could be what the analytics say... Gipson has injury history, had one truly good year, and there was obviously bad blood here. Why pay 7mil for him when you can get 80% of his production for half the cost??

    I think that was Tour's point, Gipson isn't worth that money.

  • @clevfan4life said:

    I thought Miller was hurt that day which is why Sparrett was in there.

    Miller played the whole game. Shaq Barrett played in place of Ware who was out with an injury. Barrett had a very good game, but his pressures came off inside loops as part of blitz schemes.

    Miller had one QB Hit at Mitch's expense off an inside spin move.

    Here's the weekly grades: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=38364&do=findComment&comment=540912

    @tour2ma said:

    Miller played the whole game. Shaq Barrett played in place of Ware who was out with an injury. Barrett had a very good game, but his pressures came off inside loops as part of blitz schemes.

    Miller had one QB Hit at Mitch's expense off an inside spin move.

    Here's the weekly grades: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=38364&do=findComment&comment=540912

    Miller or Barret? Cause I distinctly remember Barrett blasting our QB. No i mean like killshot. I couldn't believe he got up, i thought it was McCown but maybe it was Manziel. I know this cause of how many times I rewound the tape. It was Mitch. He cut Barrett loose twice, once to the outside and once to the inside. And they weren't no loops either Tour. Barrett just ran straight into the QB. And in a 3-4 your OLB'ers aren't "blitzing" when they pressure the QB. THey are primary edge rushers. There's never an excuse when one of them gets in unless someone else is rushing on that side and the guard and tackle get their assignments mixed up. Maybe on the inside pressure Mitch thought Irving was gonna take him....but again with no one else to the right anywhere near the line, why wouldn't you help your Guard and chip the rusher? When he cut Barret loose to the outside there was zero excuse. There was no RB on his side either, not that you'd want your RB matched up against their primary edge anyway. But there was no one. Who did he think was gonna stop Barret from crushing the QB? And this happened more than once throughout the season Tour. Each time i rewound the tape i'm like are you fucking kidding me that came from the right again? Sometimes it was hard to see if it was Schwartz or the RG but fuck that side had some issues.

  • @sdballis said:

    That could be what the analytics say... Gipson has injury history, had one truly good year, and there was obviously bad blood here. Why pay 7mil for him when you can get 80% of his production for half the cost??

    I think that was Tour's point, Gipson isn't worth that money.

    @baconhound said:

    I think that was Tour's point, Gipson isn't worth that money.

    Right. I was just reiterating.

  • @tour2ma said:

    $7mm and change per year seems high to me for unverified potential.

    That could be what the analytics say... Gipson has injury history, had one truly good year, and there was obviously bad blood here. Why pay 7mil for him when you can get 80% of his production for half the cost??

    @sdballis said:

    That could be what the analytics say... Gipson has injury history, had one truly good year, and there was obviously bad blood here. Why pay 7mil for him when you can get 80% of his production for half the cost??

    Brad Pitt logic?
  • Then again that is the whole idea behind this baseball guy isn't it

  • @mr.-make-believe said:

    So out of our top four free agents, we've officially lost every single one of them?

    Difficult for me to feel positive about today.

    Good things its only one day......we have weeks to go.....

    @mudfly said:

    Good things its only one day......we have weeks to go.....

    sorry mud, there are not many more good players left...bad day but hey, that is what happens when you are a consistant loser. No one wants to play for you..It's going to be up to the draft once again. They are not going to get good free agents until they can show they can win...that's the bottom line mud...

  • We were 3-13, the 2nd worst team in the league... The guys we lost were a part of that...

    What exactly do we have to lose?

    @thenew23 said:

    We were 3-13, the 2nd worst team in the league... The guys we lost were a part of that...

    What exactly do we have to lose?

    not a smart statement there....

  • @mudfly said:

    Good things its only one day......we have weeks to go.....

    sorry mud, there are not many more good players left...bad day but hey, that is what happens when you are a consistant loser. No one wants to play for you..It's going to be up to the draft once again. They are not going to get good free agents until they can show they can win...that's the bottom line mud...

    @browns52 said:

    sorry mud, there are not many more good players left...bad day but hey, that is what happens when you are a consistant loser. No one wants to play for you..It's going to be up to the draft once again. They are not going to get good free agents until they can show they can win...that's the bottom line mud...

    exactly....every one is mad, as if it was the Browns who decided for these guys to leave.....we made good offers to both Mack and Schwartz, but they still signed elsewhere.....and for less than we offered them....thats on them, what were we supposed to do?...hold a gun to their head?.....

    and to say there are not many good players left?....ha...there never were many good players....believe me, Benji and Gipson are not that good and no where near worth the contracts they got(not even close)....we can go sign other average guys to replace them or actually even try to improve.....same with the OL....plenty of guys left out there, so dont see why we cant sign some and be as good(or better)....

    hell, last year we gave Gipson a third round tender and not one team made an offer....not one....and now, all of a sudden, he's worth 7 mil a year?!?!(he's not)......maybe we didnt get better "today", but resigning guys like Benji and Gipson for WAY too much money aint making us better either....

    this team has a lot of work to do before it starts winning and over paying a few average players today wont change that.....especially if they're guys who dont even want to be here....whats the point in that?

    the team sucks and the only way to improve is to get new players, so time to start....always amazed how everyone cries every time a player leaves, as if everyone that leaves is some kind of super star.....please.....