Disappointment?
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We were already super AIDS before we lost a pro bowl caliber center, very good RT, a good young safety, and our leading WR.
The center didn't want to be here, the safety didn't want to be here, the RT tried to play us off other teams and "our leading WR" is nothing more than a situational guy on 20 of the 32 teams in the NFL.
Jesus Christ, stop glorifying these players.
People will forget the name Travis Benjamin in three years.
The center didn't want to be here, the safety didn't want to be here, the RT tried to play us off other teams and "our leading WR" is nothing more than a situational guy on 20 of the 32 teams in the NFL.
Jesus Christ, stop glorifying these players.
People will forget the name Travis Benjamin in three years.
But we were trying to get to 4-12 with these hall of famers!
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Disappointment? Too mild a word........................................ How about shocked? Or befuddled?..............................I'm wondering how our Tenn. businessman is feeling today after hearing how we wanted to retain our FAs and can't even keep 1 of the main 4. I know I'd be wondering how I explain this to a long suffering fan base that likely now thinks that this team has just been dismantled. How can they even face a press conference? They had better have a very good story and present the long term plan, because right now Cleveland fans sure don't see one. I know I don't but then again..........................
Disappointment? Too mild a word........................................ How about shocked? Or befuddled?..............................I'm wondering how our Tenn. businessman is feeling today after hearing how we wanted to retain our FAs and can't even keep 1 of the main 4. I know I'd be wondering how I explain this to a long suffering fan base that likely now thinks that this team has just been dismantled. How can they even face a press conference? They had better have a very good story and present the long term plan, because right now Cleveland fans sure don't see one. I know I don't but then again..........................
With you on that one Ag.
Zombo said:
I'm not down on Sashi and Hue ... I can buy into these guys.
I'm down on the fact that Right Now we feel like an expansion team that happens to have Joe Thomas. There is nothing built here.
It is a complete reboot, and Hue jackson will play the role of Chris Palmer and Wentz/Goff will be in the role of Tim Couch, and we are going to try this all again.
We just can't retain any of the decent guys we draft or find, even if those guys turn out to be really nice draft picks like Mitch Schwartz (2nd) or Travis Benjamin (4th) or terrific udfa finds like Tashaun Gipson.
I think when Farmer got the job, we were frustrated with rebooting again ... but there was something to work with ... Thomas, Mack, Haden, Ward, Gordon, etc ... and TONS of draft picks. Lombardi and Banner left us SET UP for the draft.
But he blew them in record fashion. And he couldn't keep any of the good ones Heckert drafted.
The whole thing HAD to blow up, I understand it, but it still hurts because we are seemingly SO FAR away. We are once again asked to take a leap of faith, and us loyal sonsabitches will take it ... but, damn, in all likelihood we are off on a path of the 99 Browns ... two years of suckage, one year of hope, playoffs in year four.
If Depodesta and these guys can Moneyball us a winning team together faster, that would be great because there are a lot of Great Browns fans who do not deserve even one more losing season.
Zombo
Exactly Z. I'm starting to run out of patience. OK, we let Ward, Skrine, Rubin, and Sheard walk. Yesterday- (Mack didn't want to be here), Schwartz, Benji, and Gipson. You want to tell me with a straight face we're a a better team right now minus all those guys?
Will the last one to leave Cleveland please turn out the light at the end of the tunnel. ...........................Sorry could not resist using an old joke we used in Vietnam.
The light is a train coming in the other direction.
I've always tried to be optimistic, but my optimism is being slowly drained out of my body after far too many years of losing. Apologies to the guys who think I'm being a Negative Nancy\ Debbie Downer about what just went down. I'm not of the mind- OK, four of our starters just left, no big deal. Oh, and Logic- it's not like we lost guys like Bademosi, Starks,or Carder- bums that were largely responsible for that 3-13 record. Take a look at my comment in another thread. We now have to replace 40% of our starting offensive line, and if you think Erving can step right in for Mack- well, lotsa luck there. Until I see Sashi & DePodesta's brilliant scheme to replace what just walked out the door- I'm going to be in a serious funk. Should I mention we need a quarterback, stud pass rusher, and a couple linebackers on top of that? LOL, Craig Robertson is drawing tons of interest in FA, har, har, har.& I'm coming from my place as a season ticket holder, NFL Sunday Ticket on top of that. I daresay I'm more financially invested in the Browns than most others. I'd sure as hell like to start seeing some decent football out of my team- & more bang for my buck, instead of a franchise that year after year has been a minor league talent feeder to the rest of the NFL. Under those circumstances, I think I have every right to be seriously POed.
I may have to borrow that sig line. "Browns rebuilding since 1999, why stop now?"
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The only 1 that bothers me is mitchell, mack everyone knew would leave -benji can be replaced-gibson not that big of deal. To me it all depends on what they bring in.
I got this gut feeling browns may package manziel and thomas to denver.
The only 1 that bothers me is mitchell, mack everyone knew would leave -benji can be replaced-gibson not that big of deal. To me it all depends on what they bring in.
I got this gut feeling browns may package manziel and thomas to denver.
Now that he is no longer on the Browns....it is OK by me if you misspell Tashaun Gipson's name.
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Good lord, we lost four damn players and everyone is acting like we've all contracted super AIDS or something. Every single one of you who is bitching and moaning are infinity more depressing than the Browns right now. If you all are so butthurt over this, pick up a new hobby. Maybe you can get into amateur prosthetics so you can make something resembling the testicles each and everyone of you lack.
Good lord, we lost four damn players and everyone is acting like we've all contracted super AIDS or something. Every single one of you who is bitching and moaning are infinity more depressing than the Browns right now. If you all are so butthurt over this, pick up a new hobby. Maybe you can get into amateur prosthetics so you can make something resembling the testicles each and everyone of you lack.
We went 3-13 with them.....we can go 3-13 without them.
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If you want to stay positive then don't read ESPN, Bleacher Report or any other sports site. Everything is negative. Some of the articles claim that Brown and De Podesta were no where to be found and were wondering if the Front Office was aware that Free Agency has started. It's this kind of negativity that's written about the Browns organization that scares players away!
I know they have a track record that speaks for itself. But I still have hope. On draft day I will be watching.
If you want to stay positive then don't read ESPN, Bleacher Report or any other sports site. Everything is negative. Some of the articles claim that Brown and De Podesta were no where to be found and were wondering if the Front Office was aware that Free Agency has started. It's this kind of negativity that's written about the Browns organization that scares players away!
I know they have a track record that speaks for itself. But I still have hope. On draft day I will be watching.
Well, they said the same thing about the moves Depo made with the Oakland As. All that team did was make the playoffs.
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Good lord, we lost four damn players and everyone is acting like we've all contracted super AIDS or something. Every single one of you who is bitching and moaning are infinity more depressing than the Browns right now. If you all are so butthurt over this, pick up a new hobby. Maybe you can get into amateur prosthetics so you can make something resembling the testicles each and everyone of you lack.
We were already super AIDS before we lost a pro bowl caliber center, very good RT, a good young safety, and our leading WR.
We were already super AIDS before we lost a pro bowl caliber center, very good RT, a good young safety, and our leading WR.
If we had a pro bowl center a hall of fame left tackle and a very good right tackle how did our line suck so much?
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I just don't get where some of you are coming from, or I was watching a completely different team last year. That "dominant line" we just let go got our QB's destroyed for years (3 QB's what, three years in a row?). I actually did think Mitchell was turning a corner, but we didn't let a future Hall of Famer walk out the door. Mack didn't want to be here for a long time, that ship sailed years ago.
Travis Benjamin? Speedy dude, good returner yes. But consider the first six games of the season accounted for 4 of his 5 TD's and about half his yards. People realized his ploy and he slowed down a lot. Small, fast dudes are available in the draft too.
Gipson was gone last year when he felt disrespected by the tender (which by the way no one even nibbled at for a 2nd rounder) and played okay this year. I actually liked what I saw from Poyer last year.
What I'm saying is let's cool the jets a little bit. I think it's overtly obvious that this crew saw this team for what it was, a total shit show. I happened to watch a team that was a total shit show this time five years ago. They took a QB people thought was overrated and slowly began to build through the draft. They might have lost in the Super Bowl, but five years later that Panthers team was winning 15 games. They let guys like Peppers go in order to get better. It sucks because it means we are stating, objectively, that the team is a ways from playing at a high level. Honestly, it's refreshing to me that it's being noted this way. It might very well mean we ship Joe Thomas away, but that's what teams have done before they get better.
I hate the idea of it all but we gotta give these guys a chance to draft and build from literally nothing.
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Sure JRB that can all happen.
We shitcanned a few players that can play, and if we can pick up some other guys that can play at least equally to them no problem. And sure there's always the draft. How many guys do you suppose you draft in a year that can start right off the bat? And how many of those are above-average?
And hey I do love that Five-Year Plan. I love it so much because we seem to have three of them every 5 years.
And to be honest how much worse could it be? 2 + 14, 1 + 15 or 0 for 16.
WSS
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Good lord, we lost four damn players and everyone is acting like we've all contracted super AIDS or something. Every single one of you who is bitching and moaning are infinity more depressing than the Browns right now. If you all are so butthurt over this, pick up a new hobby. Maybe you can get into amateur prosthetics so you can make something resembling the testicles each and everyone of you lack.
We went 3-13 with them.....we can go 3-13 without them.
We went 3-13 with them.....we can go 3-13 without them.
Or 0-16. we shall see. Five year plan? It seems like Haslam is on yet another two year plan. That's been the one consistent thing since he got here.
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I am getting tired of the no progress. We need some sparkles or something. We bombed at retaining players. Bombed at first few days at FA. Was there a press conference?
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I am getting tired of the no progress. We need some sparkles or something. We bombed at retaining players. Bombed at first few days at FA. Was there a press conference?
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Sure JRB that can all happen.
We shitcanned a few players that can play, and if we can pick up some other guys that can play at least equally to them no problem. And sure there's always the draft. How many guys do you suppose you draft in a year that can start right off the bat? And how many of those are above-average?
And hey I do love that Five-Year Plan. I love it so much because we seem to have three of them every 5 years.
And to be honest how much worse could it be? 2 + 14, 1 + 15 or 0 for 16.
WSS
Sure JRB that can all happen.
We shitcanned a few players that can play, and if we can pick up some other guys that can play at least equally to them no problem. And sure there's always the draft. How many guys do you suppose you draft in a year that can start right off the bat? And how many of those are above-average?
And hey I do love that Five-Year Plan. I love it so much because we seem to have three of them every 5 years.
And to be honest how much worse could it be? 2 + 14, 1 + 15 or 0 for 16.
WSS
Honestly, the way to get good in the NFL has been as straight forward as it gets for years and years. When a team blows, it's all about two things;
1) drafting the core of your team (and specifically, QB and dominant D line)
2) getting value FA's to fill holes (value being a relative term, not literally a $$ amount)
If you look at this formula, it's the way every team who has climbed the ladder has gotten to elite. It's also why the teams who always spend high in FA don't turn into Super Bowl contenders with rare exceptions. The problem is, the Browns and the powers that be have sucked ass in following that formula and almost always take the wrong players. It's not the formula that's broken, it's the one trying to solve it. I'm not making excuses for the FO, but they deserve a chance just like all the other ones did to try to get it right. The way I see it, the Browns are about as low as it gets on the rebuild cycle. Losing decent but not incredible football players is just what awful football teams do, and it's what the Browns did.
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I'm shellshocked, but not disappointed.
I mean, if ya think about it, the Browns are going to kick ass next year.
They will draft all defense, and have a defense so great, all they need to
do is have the special teams return a kick far enough, and kick a field goal.
They win 3-0. Joe Thomas on the special teams line is the key.
They won't need an offense. Brilliant. Harvard ...rocks. "cough"
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We were already super AIDS before we lost a pro bowl caliber center, very good RT, a good young safety, and our leading WR.
Yeah it if wasn't for those guys we would have been 2-14 and not 3-13.
Yeah it if wasn't for those guys we would have been 2-14 and not 3-13.
Yes, if we were already extremely bad and lost some of the only good players we have that makes us even worse. You're username is very fitting.
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The excuse-making for the FO is lame.
Excuse making? There is no excuse making in this thread. There are those that are capable of seeing the extenuating circumstances and those that merely want to bitch and moan. Obviously you're in the bitch and moan camp. Congrats.
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I am getting tired of the no progress. We need some sparkles or something. We bombed at retaining players. Bombed at first few days at FA. Was there a press conference?
I am getting tired of the no progress. We need some sparkles or something. We bombed at retaining players. Bombed at first few days at FA. Was there a press conference?
Sparkles? Really? I would say go to your local strip club for that but I'm sure the whole woman aspect of it wouldn't be up your alley, figuratively and literally.
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The excuse-making for the FO is lame.
Excuse making? There is no excuse making in this thread. There are those that are capable of seeing the extenuating circumstances and those that merely want to bitch and moan. Obviously you're in the bitch and moan camp. Congrats.
Excuse making? There is no excuse making in this thread. There are those that are capable of seeing the extenuating circumstances and those that merely want to bitch and moan. Obviously you're in the bitch and moan camp. Congrats.
You're in the "convince yourself everything happening is ok" camp. Congrats.
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Let's quit blaming the new FO & Hue for shit they did not create.. For 20 years winning more football games is the answer. With a tore up, broke down or totally vacant FO has cost us our own drafted grown talent. Start locking them up early than we can rebuild with draft.. Go Browns!!
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Yeah it if wasn't for those guys we would have been 2-14 and not 3-13.
Yes, if we were already extremely bad and lost some of the only good players we have that makes us even worse. You're username is very fitting.
Yes, if we were already extremely bad and lost some of the only good players we have that makes us even worse. You're username is very fitting.
I guess you don't know what rebuilds look like. Or you have a hearing issue and need to consult a doctor. The front office has been pretty open about how they are looking to turn the team around. Unfortunately, the team has stunk forever and needs a hard reset. They will build through the draft.
Don't be shocked if they trade Joe Thomas off on draft day to fetch extra picks. They tried to do it near the trade deadline last year.
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