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  • Mudfly MudflyM Very Popular Posting Machine Collaborator First Post Dedicated One Year In One Month Later Week One Done
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    MudflyM Mudfly wrote on last edited by
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    Honestly....I wouldnt have worn it either.....but, seriously, lots of people wear "their colors" to games and rallys and it's outrageous to think youd get assaulted at a "politcal" rally, just for doing so....and to get groped and tossed out because you have an opposing opinion is despicable....

    A football game? and some verbal jabs from a bunch of drunk neanderthals?....thats a little more believable....

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      Fair enough mud. I will buy you a trump hat to wear to the next blacklivesmatter riot.

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        @oldbrownsfan said:

        Excuse me just because you think you are right doesn't mean you are right. I went to college myself and saw the liberal bias first hand and this was back in the late 80's. Don't even try to tell me these universities aren't heavily promoting liberal ideology because I witnessed it and there are studies that have shown the liberal bias. It is conservative speakers that are being shut down in liberal colleges and discriminated against and that is going all over the country. Before being on your high horse saying other people are ignorant do a little research it might do you some good.

        And I did have the English composition professor in college compare right to life with the KKK and Nazi groups in the classroom and the American history teacher who gave me a note after the semester was over saying she feared for her job as a conservative surrounded by liberal professors and administration.

        Of course! Your personal narrative of attending one college 20 years ago should trump (pun intended) my years of working in the field. My attending conferences where inclusion workshops are led Trump supporters. Where presidents councils have crafted documents about understanding free speech is for everyone. Where a professor on our campus was fired for putting a crossfire signal in Trump. Yes, your one example of a liberal professor outshines allthat knowledge and examples. It is against the law at ublic institutions to discriminate based on affiliations. My research is being masters educated in the field and being a published speaker. What were your credentials again?

        Jesus Fucking christ on a cracker, and people wonder where our problems lie.

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        OldBrownsFanO OldBrownsFan wrote on last edited by
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        @jrb12711 said:

        Of course! Your personal narrative of attending one college 20 years ago should trump (pun intended) my years of working in the field. My attending conferences where inclusion workshops are led Trump supporters. Where presidents councils have crafted documents about understanding free speech is for everyone. Where a professor on our campus was fired for putting a crossfire signal in Trump. Yes, your one example of a liberal professor outshines allthat knowledge and examples. It is against the law at ublic institutions to discriminate based on affiliations. My research is being masters educated in the field and being a published speaker. What were your credentials again?

        Jesus Fucking christ on a cracker, and people wonder where our problems lie.

        You ever hear of google search. It's easy. Try searching liberal bias in colleges.

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          You're crazy. All of the professors were spouting their liberal political beliefs at me while I was getting an engineering degree............

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          OldBrownsFanO OldBrownsFan wrote on last edited by OldBrownsFan
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          @mld-woody said:

          You're crazy. All of the professors were spouting their liberal political beliefs at me while I was getting an engineering degree............

          You went to Michigan right? No offense but I am talking about real colleges. 😁

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            OldBrownsFanO OldBrownsFan wrote on last edited by
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            Seriously JRB 12711 I am more open minded than you think. Generalizations and blanket condemnations are not right and my favorite professor was very liberal but what distinguished him from the other liberal professors I had was that he never pushed that ideology in the classroom and the only way I even knew he was liberal was because he would joke about his debates with his conservative daughter. I went into the Criminal Justice field and this professor later went into social work and we became good friends and worked together on some cases from time to time. He was a retired St. Louis police officer and hands down he was the best professor I had in that college.

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              @jrb12711 said:

              Of course! Your personal narrative of attending one college 20 years ago should trump (pun intended) my years of working in the field. My attending conferences where inclusion workshops are led Trump supporters. Where presidents councils have crafted documents about understanding free speech is for everyone. Where a professor on our campus was fired for putting a crossfire signal in Trump. Yes, your one example of a liberal professor outshines allthat knowledge and examples. It is against the law at ublic institutions to discriminate based on affiliations. My research is being masters educated in the field and being a published speaker. What were your credentials again?

              Jesus Fucking christ on a cracker, and people wonder where our problems lie.

              You ever hear of google search. It's easy. Try searching liberal bias in colleges.

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              jrb12711J jrb12711 wrote on last edited by
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              @oldbrownsfan said:

              You ever hear of google search. It's easy. Try searching liberal bias in colleges.

              I quite literally provided ample examples of why you were wrong and provided factual understanding on why I am qualified to talk about the subject. Your response is to tell me to Google it.

              Do you maybe at all see why I cannot possibly take you seriously? I imagine you cannot, but try critical thinking on that for at least a minute, please.

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                @oldbrownsfan said:

                You ever hear of google search. It's easy. Try searching liberal bias in colleges.

                I quite literally provided ample examples of why you were wrong and provided factual understanding on why I am qualified to talk about the subject. Your response is to tell me to Google it.

                Do you maybe at all see why I cannot possibly take you seriously? I imagine you cannot, but try critical thinking on that for at least a minute, please.

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                OldBrownsFanO OldBrownsFan wrote on last edited by
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                @jrb12711 said:

                I quite literally provided ample examples of why you were wrong and provided factual understanding on why I am qualified to talk about the subject. Your response is to tell me to Google it.

                Do you maybe at all see why I cannot possibly take you seriously? I imagine you cannot, but try critical thinking on that for at least a minute, please.

                I told you to google it because there are too many examples of liberal bias in colleges. You can do your own google search. I don't care what title a person carries because I have seen too many people with titles without an ounce of common sense or what we refer to as book smart.

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                  W Westside Steve wrote on last edited by Westside Steve
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                  And of course it's a fraction of assholes who disrupt things. You don't often hear of tea party members shouting down liberal speakers at colleges, but it's fairly common the other way around.

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                    @jrb12711 said:

                    I quite literally provided ample examples of why you were wrong and provided factual understanding on why I am qualified to talk about the subject. Your response is to tell me to Google it.

                    Do you maybe at all see why I cannot possibly take you seriously? I imagine you cannot, but try critical thinking on that for at least a minute, please.

                    I told you to google it because there are too many examples of liberal bias in colleges. You can do your own google search. I don't care what title a person carries because I have seen too many people with titles without an ounce of common sense or what we refer to as book smart.

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                    jrb12711J jrb12711 wrote on last edited by
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                    @oldbrownsfan said:

                    I told you to google it because there are too many examples of liberal bias in colleges. You can do your own google search. I don't care what title a person carries because I have seen too many people with titles without an ounce of common sense or what we refer to as book smart.

                    Yep, pretty much par for the course around here. I have no proof, deny evidence that outright refutes what I am saying, but you are wrong damnit!

                    Really vood stuff.

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                      And of course it's a fraction of assholes who disrupt things. You don't often hear of tea party members shouting down liberal speakers at colleges, but it's fairly common the other way around.

                      WSS

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                      tiamat63T tiamat63 wrote on last edited by
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                      @westside-steve said:

                      And of course it's a fraction of assholes who disrupt things. You don't often hear of tea party members shouting down liberal speakers at colleges, but it's fairly common the other way around.

                      WSS

                      They're busy hanging out at PP and elsewhere.

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                        @oldbrownsfan said:

                        I told you to google it because there are too many examples of liberal bias in colleges. You can do your own google search. I don't care what title a person carries because I have seen too many people with titles without an ounce of common sense or what we refer to as book smart.

                        Yep, pretty much par for the course around here. I have no proof, deny evidence that outright refutes what I am saying, but you are wrong damnit!

                        Really vood stuff.

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                        OldBrownsFanO OldBrownsFan wrote on last edited by
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                        @jrb12711 said:

                        Yep, pretty much par for the course around here. I have no proof, deny evidence that outright refutes what I am saying, but you are wrong damnit!

                        Really vood stuff.

                        google it...I'm not doing it for you. Liberal bias in universities..pages on it

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                          Fair enough mud. I will buy you a trump hat to wear to the next blacklivesmatter riot.

                          WSS

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                          MudflyM Mudfly wrote on last edited by Mudfly
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                          @westside-steve said:

                          Fair enough mud. I will buy you a trump hat to wear to the next blacklivesmatter riot.

                          WSS

                          My response would be that the people running blacklivesmatter aren't running for President.....and I could easily wear a Trump or Hillary hat to a Sanders rally without fear of being attacked....

                          In fact....all of the candidates have held rallys....and none of them have had people ejected, attacked, arrested and beaten....except at Trumps rallys.....and it's happening over and over again.....

                          Now.....after many incidents of hate and violence erupting at these Trump rallys, some people organize and go down there to protest....which is understandable....and suddenly they are the trouble makers etc.....when the protest was actually an organized response to the hate and violence being perpetuated at these Trump rallys....

                          The guy is running for President.....each and every American has a right to go there, hear what he has to say....and if they want....voice there preference or opinon.....plain and simple....

                          And for all the people espousing American rights.....make America great again.....Obama divided this country....blah blah blah....sure seems like Trump and his minions are a driving force in dividing people further and censorship of opinion.....

                          So...yeah....I should be able to have a reasonable expectation of NOT being attacked....no matter what I wear.....

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                            Bullshit. Each and every American does not have the right to shout down and disrupt any political candidates rally whether you like them or not.

                            And politicians do have a right to present their views in a peaceful manner without being attacked. Whether I like them or not.

                            Many go there just for the reason of causing trouble so they can get their stupid faces on camera when they have to be dragged away.

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                              MLD WoodyM MLD Woody wrote on last edited by
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                              Welcome JRB. As soon as this started I knew OBF would pull out the "back in my day, my professors were liberal. It must be the same everywhere today!" argument

                              Have fun.

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                                Bullshit. Each and every American does not have the right to shout down and disrupt any political candidates rally whether you like them or not.

                                And politicians do have a right to present their views in a peaceful manner without being attacked. Whether I like them or not.

                                Many go there just for the reason of causing trouble so they can get their stupid faces on camera when they have to be dragged away.

                                WSS

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                                MudflyM Mudfly wrote on last edited by Mudfly
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                                @westside-steve said:

                                Bullshit. Each and every American does not have the right to shout down and disrupt any political candidates rally whether you like them or not.

                                And politicians do have a right to present their views in a peaceful manner without being attacked. Whether I like them or not.

                                Many go there just for the reason of causing trouble so they can get their stupid faces on camera when they have to be dragged away.

                                WSS

                                But thats nowhere close to what I said.....I said people should have a right to attend without being attacked......and, relating back to my original post, a woman should not be thrown out, verbally assaulted or groped because she wore a Bernie hat.....

                                No one said anything about disrupting or shouting down a candidate.....

                                And, I agree, a lot of people seem to attend "Trunp" rallys and enjoy starting trouble at them.....and thats on both sides....which is a troubling aspect of his campaign, as it is unprecedented in modern political rallys and not a normal thing....

                                And Trump seems not to worry when it happens and sometimes even encourages it.....which to me, is not very Presidential.....

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                                  @westside-steve said:

                                  Bullshit. Each and every American does not have the right to shout down and disrupt any political candidates rally whether you like them or not.

                                  And politicians do have a right to present their views in a peaceful manner without being attacked. Whether I like them or not.

                                  Many go there just for the reason of causing trouble so they can get their stupid faces on camera when they have to be dragged away.

                                  WSS

                                  But thats nowhere close to what I said.....I said people should have a right to attend without being attacked......and, relating back to my original post, a woman should not be thrown out, verbally assaulted or groped because she wore a Bernie hat.....

                                  No one said anything about disrupting or shouting down a candidate.....

                                  And, I agree, a lot of people seem to attend "Trunp" rallys and enjoy starting trouble at them.....and thats on both sides....which is a troubling aspect of his campaign, as it is unprecedented in modern political rallys and not a normal thing....

                                  And Trump seems not to worry when it happens and sometimes even encourages it.....which to me, is not very Presidential.....

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                                  @mudfly said:

                                  No one said anything about disrupting or shouting down a candidate...

                                  Unfortunately that's with protesters do. Tea party or Occupy Wall Street. It's just that the older people are less destructive. Less energy you know?

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                                    @mudfly said:

                                    No one said anything about disrupting or shouting down a candidate...

                                    Unfortunately that's with protesters do. Tea party or Occupy Wall Street. It's just that the older people are less destructive. Less energy you know?

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                                    @westside-steve said:

                                    Unfortunately that's with protesters do. Tea party or Occupy Wall Street. It's just that the older people are less destructive. Less energy you know?

                                    WSS

                                    The older voters actually still vote by raising their hand. Also they haven't seen a good President since Adams who acted as if he didn't want the position.
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                                      Welcome JRB. As soon as this started I knew OBF would pull out the "back in my day, my professors were liberal. It must be the same everywhere today!" argument

                                      Have fun.

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                                      OldBrownsFanO OldBrownsFan wrote on last edited by OldBrownsFan
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                                      @mld-woody said:

                                      Welcome JRB. As soon as this started I knew OBF would pull out the "back in my day, my professors were liberal. It must be the same everywhere today!" argument

                                      Have fun.

                                      Who is making that argument? I said the evidence is that all across the country there is a liberal bias amongst colleges with primarily liberal professors. The only point I made was that i had first hand experience of it in college in the late 80's. As for JRB you could say the same argument is being used. Because of what he is doing in his own circle to promote tolerance and diversity I'm supposed to believe that is happening nationwide? He may be doing a bang up swell job in his own sphere but that does not mean that is going on nationwide because it isn't.

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                                        @mld-woody said:

                                        Welcome JRB. As soon as this started I knew OBF would pull out the "back in my day, my professors were liberal. It must be the same everywhere today!" argument

                                        Have fun.

                                        Who is making that argument? I said the evidence is that all across the country there is a liberal bias amongst colleges with primarily liberal professors. The only point I made was that i had first hand experience of it in college in the late 80's. As for JRB you could say the same argument is being used. Because of what he is doing in his own circle to promote tolerance and diversity I'm supposed to believe that is happening nationwide? He may be doing a bang up swell job in his own sphere but that does not mean that is going on nationwide because it isn't.

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                                        MLD WoodyM MLD Woody wrote on last edited by
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                                        @oldbrownsfan said:

                                        Who is making that argument? I said the evidence is that all across the country there is a liberal bias amongst colleges with primarily liberal professors. The only point I made was that i had first hand experience of it in college in the late 80's. As for JRB you could say the same argument is being used. Because of what he is doing in his own circle to promote tolerance and diversity I'm supposed to believe that is happening nationwide? He may be doing a bang up swell job in his own sphere but that does not mean that is going on nationwide because it isn't.

                                        It sounds like he has much more exposure to the world you're describing than someone who went to college over 30 years ago

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                                          @oldbrownsfan said:

                                          Who is making that argument? I said the evidence is that all across the country there is a liberal bias amongst colleges with primarily liberal professors. The only point I made was that i had first hand experience of it in college in the late 80's. As for JRB you could say the same argument is being used. Because of what he is doing in his own circle to promote tolerance and diversity I'm supposed to believe that is happening nationwide? He may be doing a bang up swell job in his own sphere but that does not mean that is going on nationwide because it isn't.

                                          It sounds like he has much more exposure to the world you're describing than someone who went to college over 30 years ago

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                                          OldBrownsFanO OldBrownsFan wrote on last edited by OldBrownsFan
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                                          @mld-woody said:

                                          It sounds like he has much more exposure to the world you're describing than someone who went to college over 30 years ago

                                          I'm sure he has and If I was basing my belief about liberal bias in universities just on my experience 30 years ago you would be exactly right (one of the few times) but unfortunately you are wrong again Woody. They have the internet now and I'm looking at things that are more recent about liberal bias in colleges.

                                          Here is one written by a democrat Kristen Powers (an honest one) about how liberals have ruined colleges: This one took me all of 5-10 seconds on that internet thingy to find. Read the entire article about what liberals are doing today in colleges (not 30 years ago).

                                          How Liberals Ruined College

                                          College should be a place of new ideas and challenging views. Instead, liberals have made it a place of fear and intimidation.

                                          The root of nearly every free-speech infringement on campuses across the country is that someone—almost always a liberal—has been offended or has sniffed out a potential offense in the making. Then, the silencing campaign begins. The offender must be punished, not just for justice’s sake, but also to send the message to anyone else on campus that should he or she stray off the leftist script, they too might find themselves investigated, harassed, ostracized, or even expelled. If the illiberal left can preemptively silence opposing speakers or opposing groups— such as getting a speech or event canceled, or denying campus recognition for a group—even better.

                                          This Orwellian climate of intimidation and fear chills free speech and thought. On college campuses it is particularly insidious. Higher education should provide an environment to test new ideas, debate theories, encounter challenging information, and figure out what one believes. Campuses should be places where students are able to make mistakes without fear of retribution. If there is no margin for error, it is impossible to receive a meaningful education.

                                          Instead, the politically correct university is a world of land mines, where faculty and students have no idea what innocuous comment might be seen as an offense

                                          On today’s campuses, left-leaning administrators, professors, and students are working overtime in their campaign of silencing dissent, and their unofficial tactics of ostracizing, smearing, and humiliation are highly effective. But what is even more chilling—and more far reaching—is the official power they abuse to ensure the silencing of views they don’t like. They’ve invented a labyrinth of anti-free speech tools that include “speech codes,” “free speech zones,” censorship, investigations by campus “diversity and tolerance offices,” and denial of due process. They craft “anti-harassment policies” and “anti-violence policies” that are speech codes in disguise. According to the Foundation for Individual Rights in Education’s (FIRE) 2014 report on campus free speech, “Spotlight on Speech Codes,” close to 60 percent of the four hundred–plus colleges they surveyed “seriously infringe upon the free speech rights of students.” Only 16 of the schools reviewed in 2014 had no policies restricting protected speech. Their 2015 report found that of the 437 schools they surveyed, “more than 55 percent maintain severely restrictive, ‘red light’ speech codes—policies that clearly and substantially prohibit protected speech.”

                                          http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/05/11/how-liberals-have-ruined-college.html

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