Is Mel Kiper a Dumbass?
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Horton is leaps and bounds better than O'Neill was
Horton is leaps and bounds better than O'Neill was
A Pringles can is better than O'Neill.
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Horton is leaps and bounds better than O'Neill was
Horton is leaps and bounds better than O'Neill was
And Whore-ton is still a dumbfuck.
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Horton is leaps and bounds better than O'Neill was
And Whore-ton is still a dumbfuck.
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The pundits said Couch Quinn McCoy and manziel were great it's time to have an independent thought the qb position is cancer to the Browns instead of letting it come to them they chase the first shiny thing they see and it's another wasted pick
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you say no franchise QBs in this draft and the pundits say the opposite.
hmmmmmm. who do i believe???
you say no franchise QBs in this draft and the pundits say the opposite.
hmmmmmm. who do i believe???
I honestly think the NFL feels the draft needs some golden boy QB's so now all of a sudden the pundits say "yeah throw Wentz/Goff in there day 1 they'll be fine". Whereas just two months ago they were like well hang on a minute, would these guys early 1st rounders if there weren't desperate teams? Like the Browns.
So now these kids go get coached up and go on Grudens corner and give him a nice long blowjob and wham...Gruden thinks they're NFL ready. Based on their tape from last year I'm still not seeing QB's we need to look at with the #2 pick. I'd rather us start to look at QB's once we have some semblance of an idea of what our O line is gonna look like. Cause right now it looks like we'll be one of the worst O lines in football for a few years. And you wanna bring in a high pick QB and put him behind that? Wasted pick then.
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The pundits said Couch Quinn McCoy and manziel were great it's time to have an independent thought the qb position is cancer to the Browns instead of letting it come to them they chase the first shiny thing they see and it's another wasted pick
The pundits said Couch Quinn McCoy and manziel were great it's time to have an independent thought the qb position is cancer to the Browns instead of letting it come to them they chase the first shiny thing they see and it's another wasted pick
I honestly think the NFL feels the draft needs some golden boy QB's so now all of a sudden the pundits say "yeah throw Wentz/Goff in there day 1 they'll be fine". Whereas just two months ago they were like well hang on a minute, would these guys early 1st rounders if there weren't desperate teams? Like the Browns.
So now these kids go get coached up and go on Grudens corner and give him a nice long blowjob and wham...Gruden thinks they're NFL ready. Based on their tape from last year I'm still not seeing QB's we need to look at with the #2 pick. I'd rather us start to look at QB's once we have some semblance of an idea of what our O line is gonna look like. Cause right now it looks like we'll be one of the worst O lines in football for a few years. And you wanna bring in a high pick QB and put him behind that? Wasted pick then.
bullshit.
so mariota was a wasted pick? how was that titans OL? they were smart enough to see their franchise QB and picked him. sure OLs are important and DLs as well. hell on most topics i'd be agreeing with you BUT enuff is enuff and i'm tired of looking at the shirt with the 21 QB names on the back.
you both are being blinded by your love for bosa. what if they chose tunsil? would you be ok with that? how about jack?
no, it has to be bosa right? (who has now slipped from being the #1 pick to number 6-10).
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The pundits said Couch Quinn McCoy and manziel were great it's time to have an independent thought the qb position is cancer to the Browns instead of letting it come to them they chase the first shiny thing they see and it's another wasted pick
The pundits said Couch Quinn McCoy and manziel were great it's time to have an independent thought the qb position is cancer to the Browns instead of letting it come to them they chase the first shiny thing they see and it's another wasted pick
All QBs taken in Round 1 since 1990:
Marcus Mariota Stats 3 2014 1 3
Blake Bortles QB 22 JAX 2014 2015 0 0 2 19 30 29 8-21-0 635 1081 7336 46 35 108 729 2 Central Florida College Stats 4 2014 1 22
Johnny Manziel QB 21 CLE 2014 2015 0 0 0 5 15 8 2-6-0 147 258 1675 7 7 46 259 1 Texas A&M College Stats 5 2014 1 32
Teddy Twatwater QB 21 MIN 2014 2015 0 1 2 22 29 28 17-11-0 551 849 6150 28 21 91 401 4 Louisville College Stats 6 2013 1 16
EJ Manuel QB 23 BUF 2013 2015 0 0 1 9 22 16 6-10-0 308 521 3371 19 15 86 302 4 Florida St. College Stats 7 2012 1 1
Andrew Luck QB 22 IND 2012 2015 0 3 3 45 55 55 35-20-0 1224 2106 14838 101 55 222 1101 12 Stanford College Stats 8 2012 1 2
Robert Griffin QB 22 WAS 2012 2014 0 1 2 32 37 35 14-21-0 679 1063 8097 40 23 244 1480 8 Baylor College Stats 9 2012 1 8
Ryan Tannehill QB 24 MIA 2012 2015 0 0 4 42 64 64 29-35-0 1392 2248 15460 87 54 177 901 5 Texas A&M College Stats 10 2012 1 22
Brandon Weeden QB 28 CLE 2012 2015 0 0 1 14 34 25 6-19-0 559 965 6463 31 30 61 201 1 Oklahoma St. College Stats 11 2011 1 1
Cam Newton QB 22 CAR 2011 2015 1 3 5 76 78 78 45-32-1 1440 2419 18263 117 64 599 3207 43 Auburn College Stats 12 2011 1 8 Jake Locker QB 23 TEN 2011 2014 0 0 1 15 30 23 9-14-0 408 709 4967 27 22 95 644 5 Washington College Stats 13 2011 1 10
Blaine Gabbert QB 21 JAX 2011 2015 0 0 2 12 37 35 8-27-0 595 1066 6426 33 31 108 376 1 Missouri College Stats 14 2011 1 12
Christian Ponder QB 23 MIN 2011 2014 0 0 3 22 38 36 14-21-1 632 1057 6658 38 36 126 639 7 Florida St. College Stats 15 2010 1 1
Sam Bradford QB 22 STL 2010 2015 0 0 4 33 63 63 25-37-1 1378 2292 14790 78 52 123 286 2 Oklahoma College Stats 16 2010 1 25
Tim Tebow QB 23 DEN 2010 2012 0 0 1 12 35 16 8-6-0 173 361 2422 17 9 197 989 12 Florida College Stats 17 2009 1 1
Matthew Stafford QB 21 DET 2009 2015 0 1 6 64 93 93 42-51-0 2246 3691 25976 163 98 205 644 12 Georgia College Stats 18 2009 1 5
Mark Sanchez QB 22 NYJ 2009 2015 0 0 5 34 75 72 37-35-0 1285 2267 15126 86 84 165 451 13 USC College Stats 19 2009 1 17
Josh Freeman QB 21 TAM 2009 2015 0 0 4 38 62 61 25-36-0 1179 2048 13873 81 68 205 946 4 Kansas St. College Stats 20 2008 1 3
Matt Ryan QB 23 ATL 2008 2015 0 3 8 96 126 126 74-52-0 2915 4530 32757 202 107 285 763 5 Boston Col. College Stats 21 2008 1 18
Joe Flacco QB 23 BAL 2008 2015 0 0 8 75 122 122 75-47-0 2479 4070 28322 162 102 280 654 13 Delaware College Stats 22 2007 1 1
JaMarcus Russell QB 22 OAK 2007 2009 0 0 2 6 31 25 7-18-0 354 680 4083 18 23 40 175 1 LSU College Stats 23 2007 1 22
Brady Quinn QB 22 CLE 2007 2013 0 0 2 2 24 20 4-16-0 296 550 3043 12 17 44 185 1 Notre Dame College Stats 24 2006 1 3
Vince Young QB 23 TEN 2006 2011 0 2 4 33 60 50 31-19-0 755 1304 8964 46 51 282 1459 12 Texas College Stats 25 2006 1 10
Matt Leinart QB 23 ARI 2006 2012 0 0 1 12 33 18 8-10-0 366 641 4065 15 21 47 89 2 USC College Stats 26 2006 1 11
Jay Cutler QB 23 DEN 2006 2015 0 1 9 83 134 134 67-67-0 2701 4354 31408 204 141 362 1626 9 Vanderbilt College Stats 27 2005 1 1
Alex Smith QB 21 SFO 2005 2015 0 1 8 72 126 121 68-52-1 2208 3619 24344 142 83 421 1944 8 Utah College Stats 28 2005 1 24
Aaron Rodgers QB 21 GNB 2005 2015 2 5 8 112 126 119 80-39-0 2633 4047 32399 257 65 434 2175 21 California College Stats 29 2005 1 25
Jason Campbell QB 23 WAS 2006 2014 0 0 5 47 90 79 32-47-0 1519 2518 16771 87 60 240 1204 6 Auburn College Stats 30 2004 1 1
Eli Manning QB 23 SDG 2004 2015 0 4 11 104 185 183 97-86-0 3695 6227 44191 294 199 263 523 5 Mississippi College Stats Misc Games Passing Rushing Rk Year Rnd Pick Pos DrAge Tm From To AP1 PB St CarAV G GS QBrec Cmp Att Yds TD Int Att Yds TD College/Univ 31 2004 1 4
Philip Rivers QB 22 NYG 2004 2015 0 5 10 121 164 160 92-68-0 3462 5339 41447 281 135 303 540 3 North Carolina St. College Stats 32 2004 1 11
Ben Roethlisberger QB 22 PIT 2004 2015 0 4 12 108 171 169 113-56-0 3476 5423 42995 272 147 393 1191 15 Miami (OH) College Stats 33 2004 1 22
J.P. Losman QB 23 BUF 2004 2011 0 0 2 19 45 33 10-23-0 564 952 6271 33 34 105 490 3 Tulane College Stats 34 2003 1 1
Carson Palmer QB 23 CIN 2004 2015 0 3 10 100 160 159 83-76-0 3413 5443 40036 259 166 273 424 8 USC College Stats 35 2003 1 7
Byron Leftwich QB 23 JAX 2003 2012 0 0 3 33 60 50 24-26-0 930 1605 10532 58 42 137 415 10 Marshall College Stats 36 2003 1 19
Kyle Boller QB 22 BAL 2003 2011 0 0 4 17 67 47 20-27-0 861 1519 8931 48 54 176 572 2 California College Stats 37 2003 1 22
Rex Grossman QB 23 CHI 2003 2013 0 0 2 23 54 47 25-22-0 863 1562 10232 56 60 81 106 4 Florida College Stats 38 2002 1 1
David Carr QB 23 HOU 2002 2012 0 0 5 44 94 79 23-56-0 1353 2267 14452 65 71 305 1328 9 Fresno St. College Stats 39 2002 1 3
Joey Harrington QB 23 DET 2002 2007 0 0 6 30 81 76 26-50-0 1424 2538 14693 79 85 142 402 0 Oregon College Stats 40 2002 1 32
Patrick Ramsey QB 23 WAS 2002 2008 0 0 1 14 37 24 10-14-0 511 913 5930 35 30 47 89 2 Tulane College Stats 41 2001 1 1
Michael Vick QB 21 ATL 2001 2015 0 4 7 93 143 115 61-51-1 1807 3217 22464 133 88 873 6109 36 Virginia Tech College Stats 42 2000 1 18
Chad Pennington QB 24 NYJ 2000 2010 0 0 6 55 89 81 44-37-0 1632 2471 17823 102 64 180 465 7 Marshall College Stats 43 1999 1 1
Tim Couch QB 22 CLE 1999 2003 0 0 4 30 62 59 22-37-0 1025 1714 11131 64 67 124 556 2 Kentucky College Stats 44 1999 1 2
Donovan McNabb QB 22 PHI 1999 2011 0 6 11 107 167 161 98-62-1 3170 5374 37276 234 117 616 3459 29 Syracuse College Stats 45 1999 1 3
Akili Smith QB 24 CIN 1999 2002 0 0 1 1 22 17 3-14-0 215 461 2212 5 13 70 371 1 Oregon College Stats 46 1999 1 11
Daunte Culpepper QB 22 MIN 1999 2009 0 3 5 86 105 100 41-59-0 2016 3199 24153 149 106 514 2652 34 Central Florida College Stats 47 1999 1 12
Cade McNown QB 22 CHI 1999 2000 0 0 1 7 25 15 3-12-0 281 515 3111 16 19 82 486 3 UCLA College Stats 48 1998 1 1
Peyton Manning QB 22 IND 1998 2015 7 14 16 177 266 265 186-79-0 6125 9380 71940 539 251 431 667 18 Tennessee College Stats 49 1998 1 2
Ryan Leaf QB 22 SDG 1998 2001 0 0 1 1 25 21 4-17-0 317 655 3666 14 36 59 127 0 Washington St. College Stats 50 1997 1 26
Jim Druckenmiller QB 24 SFO 1997 1998 0 0 0 1 6 1 1-0-0 21 52 239 1 4 13 -10 0 Virginia Tech College Stats 51 1995 1 3
Steve McNair QB 22 HOU 1995 2007 0 3 10 100 161 153 91-62-0 2733 4544 31304 174 119 669 3590 37 Alcorn St. College Stats 52 1995 1 5
Kerry Collins QB 22 CAR 1995 2011 0 2 11 81 198 180 81-99-0 3487 6261 40922 208 196 374 686 10 Penn St. College Stats 53 1994 1 3
Heath Shuler QB 22 WAS 1994 1997 0 0 2 6 29 22 8-14-0 292 593 3691 15 33 67 198 1 Tennessee College Stats 54 1994 1 6
Trent Dilfer QB 22 TAM 1994 2007 0 1 7 51 130 113 58-55-0 1759 3172 20518 113 129 248 853 5 Fresno St. College Stats 55 1993 1 1
Drew Bledsoe QB 21 NWE 1993 2006 0 4 12 103 194 193 98-95-0 3839 6717 44611 251 206 385 764 10 Washington St. College Stats 56 1993 1 2
Rick Mirer QB 23 SEA 1993 2003 0 0 5 32 80 68 24-44-0 1088 2043 11969 50 76 242 1130 9 Notre Dame College Stats 57 1992 1 6
David Klingler QB 23 CIN 1992 1997 0 0 1 10 33 24 4-20-0 389 718 3994 16 22 74 456 0 Houston College Stats 58 1992 1 25
Tommy Maddox QB 21 DEN 1992 2005 0 0 2 24 92 36 15-20-1 686 1200 8087 48 54 68 128 1 UCLA College Stats 59 1991 1 16
Dan McGwire QB 23 SEA 1991 1995 0 0 0 2 13 5 2-3-0 74 148 745 2 6 14 6 0 San Diego St. College Stats 60 1991 1 24
Todd Marinovich QB 22 RAI 1991 1992 0 0 0 3 8 8 3-5-0 104 205 1345 8 9 12 44 0 USC College Stats Misc Games Passing Rushing Rk Year Rnd Pick Pos DrAge Tm From To AP1 PB St CarAV G GS QBrec Cmp Att Yds TD Int Att Yds TD College/Univ 61 1990 1 1
Jeff George QB 22 IND 1990 2001 0 0 9 65 131 124 46-78-0 2298 3967 27602 154 113 168 307 2 Illinois College Stats 62 1990 1 7
Andre Ware QB 22 DET
Sort out the Busts
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The pundits said Couch Quinn McCoy and manziel were great it's time to have an independent thought the qb position is cancer to the Browns instead of letting it come to them they chase the first shiny thing they see and it's another wasted pick
All QBs taken in Round 1 since 1990:
Marcus Mariota Stats 3 2014 1 3
Blake Bortles QB 22 JAX 2014 2015 0 0 2 19 30 29 8-21-0 635 1081 7336 46 35 108 729 2 Central Florida College Stats 4 2014 1 22
Johnny Manziel QB 21 CLE 2014 2015 0 0 0 5 15 8 2-6-0 147 258 1675 7 7 46 259 1 Texas A&M College Stats 5 2014 1 32
Teddy Twatwater QB 21 MIN 2014 2015 0 1 2 22 29 28 17-11-0 551 849 6150 28 21 91 401 4 Louisville College Stats 6 2013 1 16
EJ Manuel QB 23 BUF 2013 2015 0 0 1 9 22 16 6-10-0 308 521 3371 19 15 86 302 4 Florida St. College Stats 7 2012 1 1
Andrew Luck QB 22 IND 2012 2015 0 3 3 45 55 55 35-20-0 1224 2106 14838 101 55 222 1101 12 Stanford College Stats 8 2012 1 2
Robert Griffin QB 22 WAS 2012 2014 0 1 2 32 37 35 14-21-0 679 1063 8097 40 23 244 1480 8 Baylor College Stats 9 2012 1 8
Ryan Tannehill QB 24 MIA 2012 2015 0 0 4 42 64 64 29-35-0 1392 2248 15460 87 54 177 901 5 Texas A&M College Stats 10 2012 1 22
Brandon Weeden QB 28 CLE 2012 2015 0 0 1 14 34 25 6-19-0 559 965 6463 31 30 61 201 1 Oklahoma St. College Stats 11 2011 1 1
Cam Newton QB 22 CAR 2011 2015 1 3 5 76 78 78 45-32-1 1440 2419 18263 117 64 599 3207 43 Auburn College Stats 12 2011 1 8 Jake Locker QB 23 TEN 2011 2014 0 0 1 15 30 23 9-14-0 408 709 4967 27 22 95 644 5 Washington College Stats 13 2011 1 10
Blaine Gabbert QB 21 JAX 2011 2015 0 0 2 12 37 35 8-27-0 595 1066 6426 33 31 108 376 1 Missouri College Stats 14 2011 1 12
Christian Ponder QB 23 MIN 2011 2014 0 0 3 22 38 36 14-21-1 632 1057 6658 38 36 126 639 7 Florida St. College Stats 15 2010 1 1
Sam Bradford QB 22 STL 2010 2015 0 0 4 33 63 63 25-37-1 1378 2292 14790 78 52 123 286 2 Oklahoma College Stats 16 2010 1 25
Tim Tebow QB 23 DEN 2010 2012 0 0 1 12 35 16 8-6-0 173 361 2422 17 9 197 989 12 Florida College Stats 17 2009 1 1
Matthew Stafford QB 21 DET 2009 2015 0 1 6 64 93 93 42-51-0 2246 3691 25976 163 98 205 644 12 Georgia College Stats 18 2009 1 5
Mark Sanchez QB 22 NYJ 2009 2015 0 0 5 34 75 72 37-35-0 1285 2267 15126 86 84 165 451 13 USC College Stats 19 2009 1 17
Josh Freeman QB 21 TAM 2009 2015 0 0 4 38 62 61 25-36-0 1179 2048 13873 81 68 205 946 4 Kansas St. College Stats 20 2008 1 3
Matt Ryan QB 23 ATL 2008 2015 0 3 8 96 126 126 74-52-0 2915 4530 32757 202 107 285 763 5 Boston Col. College Stats 21 2008 1 18
Joe Flacco QB 23 BAL 2008 2015 0 0 8 75 122 122 75-47-0 2479 4070 28322 162 102 280 654 13 Delaware College Stats 22 2007 1 1
JaMarcus Russell QB 22 OAK 2007 2009 0 0 2 6 31 25 7-18-0 354 680 4083 18 23 40 175 1 LSU College Stats 23 2007 1 22
Brady Quinn QB 22 CLE 2007 2013 0 0 2 2 24 20 4-16-0 296 550 3043 12 17 44 185 1 Notre Dame College Stats 24 2006 1 3
Vince Young QB 23 TEN 2006 2011 0 2 4 33 60 50 31-19-0 755 1304 8964 46 51 282 1459 12 Texas College Stats 25 2006 1 10
Matt Leinart QB 23 ARI 2006 2012 0 0 1 12 33 18 8-10-0 366 641 4065 15 21 47 89 2 USC College Stats 26 2006 1 11
Jay Cutler QB 23 DEN 2006 2015 0 1 9 83 134 134 67-67-0 2701 4354 31408 204 141 362 1626 9 Vanderbilt College Stats 27 2005 1 1
Alex Smith QB 21 SFO 2005 2015 0 1 8 72 126 121 68-52-1 2208 3619 24344 142 83 421 1944 8 Utah College Stats 28 2005 1 24
Aaron Rodgers QB 21 GNB 2005 2015 2 5 8 112 126 119 80-39-0 2633 4047 32399 257 65 434 2175 21 California College Stats 29 2005 1 25
Jason Campbell QB 23 WAS 2006 2014 0 0 5 47 90 79 32-47-0 1519 2518 16771 87 60 240 1204 6 Auburn College Stats 30 2004 1 1
Eli Manning QB 23 SDG 2004 2015 0 4 11 104 185 183 97-86-0 3695 6227 44191 294 199 263 523 5 Mississippi College Stats Misc Games Passing Rushing Rk Year Rnd Pick Pos DrAge Tm From To AP1 PB St CarAV G GS QBrec Cmp Att Yds TD Int Att Yds TD College/Univ 31 2004 1 4
Philip Rivers QB 22 NYG 2004 2015 0 5 10 121 164 160 92-68-0 3462 5339 41447 281 135 303 540 3 North Carolina St. College Stats 32 2004 1 11
Ben Roethlisberger QB 22 PIT 2004 2015 0 4 12 108 171 169 113-56-0 3476 5423 42995 272 147 393 1191 15 Miami (OH) College Stats 33 2004 1 22
J.P. Losman QB 23 BUF 2004 2011 0 0 2 19 45 33 10-23-0 564 952 6271 33 34 105 490 3 Tulane College Stats 34 2003 1 1
Carson Palmer QB 23 CIN 2004 2015 0 3 10 100 160 159 83-76-0 3413 5443 40036 259 166 273 424 8 USC College Stats 35 2003 1 7
Byron Leftwich QB 23 JAX 2003 2012 0 0 3 33 60 50 24-26-0 930 1605 10532 58 42 137 415 10 Marshall College Stats 36 2003 1 19
Kyle Boller QB 22 BAL 2003 2011 0 0 4 17 67 47 20-27-0 861 1519 8931 48 54 176 572 2 California College Stats 37 2003 1 22
Rex Grossman QB 23 CHI 2003 2013 0 0 2 23 54 47 25-22-0 863 1562 10232 56 60 81 106 4 Florida College Stats 38 2002 1 1
David Carr QB 23 HOU 2002 2012 0 0 5 44 94 79 23-56-0 1353 2267 14452 65 71 305 1328 9 Fresno St. College Stats 39 2002 1 3
Joey Harrington QB 23 DET 2002 2007 0 0 6 30 81 76 26-50-0 1424 2538 14693 79 85 142 402 0 Oregon College Stats 40 2002 1 32
Patrick Ramsey QB 23 WAS 2002 2008 0 0 1 14 37 24 10-14-0 511 913 5930 35 30 47 89 2 Tulane College Stats 41 2001 1 1
Michael Vick QB 21 ATL 2001 2015 0 4 7 93 143 115 61-51-1 1807 3217 22464 133 88 873 6109 36 Virginia Tech College Stats 42 2000 1 18
Chad Pennington QB 24 NYJ 2000 2010 0 0 6 55 89 81 44-37-0 1632 2471 17823 102 64 180 465 7 Marshall College Stats 43 1999 1 1
Tim Couch QB 22 CLE 1999 2003 0 0 4 30 62 59 22-37-0 1025 1714 11131 64 67 124 556 2 Kentucky College Stats 44 1999 1 2
Donovan McNabb QB 22 PHI 1999 2011 0 6 11 107 167 161 98-62-1 3170 5374 37276 234 117 616 3459 29 Syracuse College Stats 45 1999 1 3
Akili Smith QB 24 CIN 1999 2002 0 0 1 1 22 17 3-14-0 215 461 2212 5 13 70 371 1 Oregon College Stats 46 1999 1 11
Daunte Culpepper QB 22 MIN 1999 2009 0 3 5 86 105 100 41-59-0 2016 3199 24153 149 106 514 2652 34 Central Florida College Stats 47 1999 1 12
Cade McNown QB 22 CHI 1999 2000 0 0 1 7 25 15 3-12-0 281 515 3111 16 19 82 486 3 UCLA College Stats 48 1998 1 1
Peyton Manning QB 22 IND 1998 2015 7 14 16 177 266 265 186-79-0 6125 9380 71940 539 251 431 667 18 Tennessee College Stats 49 1998 1 2
Ryan Leaf QB 22 SDG 1998 2001 0 0 1 1 25 21 4-17-0 317 655 3666 14 36 59 127 0 Washington St. College Stats 50 1997 1 26
Jim Druckenmiller QB 24 SFO 1997 1998 0 0 0 1 6 1 1-0-0 21 52 239 1 4 13 -10 0 Virginia Tech College Stats 51 1995 1 3
Steve McNair QB 22 HOU 1995 2007 0 3 10 100 161 153 91-62-0 2733 4544 31304 174 119 669 3590 37 Alcorn St. College Stats 52 1995 1 5
Kerry Collins QB 22 CAR 1995 2011 0 2 11 81 198 180 81-99-0 3487 6261 40922 208 196 374 686 10 Penn St. College Stats 53 1994 1 3
Heath Shuler QB 22 WAS 1994 1997 0 0 2 6 29 22 8-14-0 292 593 3691 15 33 67 198 1 Tennessee College Stats 54 1994 1 6
Trent Dilfer QB 22 TAM 1994 2007 0 1 7 51 130 113 58-55-0 1759 3172 20518 113 129 248 853 5 Fresno St. College Stats 55 1993 1 1
Drew Bledsoe QB 21 NWE 1993 2006 0 4 12 103 194 193 98-95-0 3839 6717 44611 251 206 385 764 10 Washington St. College Stats 56 1993 1 2
Rick Mirer QB 23 SEA 1993 2003 0 0 5 32 80 68 24-44-0 1088 2043 11969 50 76 242 1130 9 Notre Dame College Stats 57 1992 1 6
David Klingler QB 23 CIN 1992 1997 0 0 1 10 33 24 4-20-0 389 718 3994 16 22 74 456 0 Houston College Stats 58 1992 1 25
Tommy Maddox QB 21 DEN 1992 2005 0 0 2 24 92 36 15-20-1 686 1200 8087 48 54 68 128 1 UCLA College Stats 59 1991 1 16
Dan McGwire QB 23 SEA 1991 1995 0 0 0 2 13 5 2-3-0 74 148 745 2 6 14 6 0 San Diego St. College Stats 60 1991 1 24
Todd Marinovich QB 22 RAI 1991 1992 0 0 0 3 8 8 3-5-0 104 205 1345 8 9 12 44 0 USC College Stats Misc Games Passing Rushing Rk Year Rnd Pick Pos DrAge Tm From To AP1 PB St CarAV G GS QBrec Cmp Att Yds TD Int Att Yds TD College/Univ 61 1990 1 1
Jeff George QB 22 IND 1990 2001 0 0 9 65 131 124 46-78-0 2298 3967 27602 154 113 168 307 2 Illinois College Stats 62 1990 1 7
Andre Ware QB 22 DET
Sort out the Busts
All QBs taken in Round 1 since 1990:
Marcus Mariota Stats 3 2014 1 3 Too soon for both Winston and Mariota
Blake Bortles QB 22 JAX 2014 2015 0 0 2 19 30 29 8-21-0 635 1081 7336 46 35 108 729 2 Central Florida College Stats 4 2014 1 22
Johnny Manziel QB 21 CLE 2014 2015 0 0 0 5 15 8 2-6-0 147 258 1675 7 7 46 259 1 Texas A&M College Stats 5 2014 1 32
Teddy Twatwater QB 21 MIN 2014 2015 0 1 2 22 29 28 17-11-0 551 849 6150 28 21 91 401 4 Louisville College Stats 6 2013 1 16
EJ Manuel QB 23 BUF 2013 2015 0 0 1 9 22 16 6-10-0 308 521 3371 19 15 86 302 4 Florida St. College Stats 7 2012 1 1
Andrew Luck QB 22 IND 2012 2015 0 3 3 45 55 55 35-20-0 1224 2106 14838 101 55 222 1101 12 Stanford College Stats 8 2012 1 2
Robert Griffin QB 22 WAS 2012 2014 0 1 2 32 37 35 14-21-0 679 1063 8097 40 23 244 1480 8 Baylor College Stats 9 2012 1 8
Ryan Tannehill QB 24 MIA 2012 2015 0 0 4 42 64 64 29-35-0 1392 2248 15460 87 54 177 901 5 Texas A&M College Stats 10 2012 1 22
Brandon Weeden QB 28 CLE 2012 2015 0 0 1 14 34 25 6-19-0 559 965 6463 31 30 61 201 1 Oklahoma St. College Stats 11 2011 1 1
Cam Newton QB 22 CAR 2011 2015 1 3 5 76 78 78 45-32-1 1440 2419 18263 117 64 599 3207 43 Auburn College Stats 12 2011 1 8
Jake Locker QB 23 TEN 2011 2014 0 0 1 15 30 23 9-14-0 408 709 4967 27 22 95 644 5 Washington College Stats 13 2011 1 10
Blaine Gabbert QB 21 JAX 2011 2015 0 0 2 12 37 35 8-27-0 595 1066 6426 33 31 108 376 1 Missouri College Stats 14 2011 1 12
Christian Ponder QB 23 MIN 2011 2014 0 0 3 22 38 36 14-21-1 632 1057 6658 38 36 126 639 7 Florida St. College Stats 15 2010 1 1
Sam Bradford QB 22 STL 2010 2015 0 0 4 33 63 63 25-37-1 1378 2292 14790 78 52 123 286 2 Oklahoma College Stats 16 2010 1 25
Tim Tebow QB 23 DEN 2010 2012 0 0 1 12 35 16 8-6-0 173 361 2422 17 9 197 989 12 Florida College Stats 17 2009 1 1
Matthew Stafford QB 21 DET 2009 2015 0 1 6 64 93 93 42-51-0 2246 3691 25976 163 98 205 644 12 Georgia College Stats 18 2009 1 5
Mark Sanchez QB 22 NYJ 2009 2015 0 0 5 34 75 72 37-35-0 1285 2267 15126 86 84 165 451 13 USC College Stats 19 2009 1 17
Josh Freeman QB 21 TAM 2009 2015 0 0 4 38 62 61 25-36-0 1179 2048 13873 81 68 205 946 4 Kansas St. College Stats 20 2008 1 3
Matt Ryan QB 23 ATL 2008 2015 0 3 8 96 126 126 74-52-0 2915 4530 32757 202 107 285 763 5 Boston Col. College Stats 21 2008 1 18
Joe Flacco QB 23 BAL 2008 2015 0 0 8 75 122 122 75-47-0 2479 4070 28322 162 102 280 654 13 Delaware College Stats 22 2007 1 1
JaMarcus Russell QB 22 OAK 2007 2009 0 0 2 6 31 25 7-18-0 354 680 4083 18 23 40 175 1 LSU College Stats 23 2007 1 22
Brady Quinn QB 22 CLE 2007 2013 0 0 2 2 24 20 4-16-0 296 550 3043 12 17 44 185 1 Notre Dame College Stats 24 2006 1 3
Vince Young QB 23 TEN 2006 2011 0 2 4 33 60 50 31-19-0 755 1304 8964 46 51 282 1459 12 Texas College Stats 25 2006 1 10
Matt Leinart QB 23 ARI 2006 2012 0 0 1 12 33 18 8-10-0 366 641 4065 15 21 47 89 2 USC College Stats 26 2006 1 11
Jay Cutler QB 23 DEN 2006 2015 0 1 9 83 134 134 67-67-0 2701 4354 31408 204 141 362 1626 9 Vanderbilt College Stats 27 2005 1 1
Alex Smith QB 21 SFO 2005 2015 0 1 8 72 126 121 68-52-1 2208 3619 24344 142 83 421 1944 8 Utah College Stats 28 2005 1 24
Aaron Rodgers QB 21 GNB 2005 2015 2 5 8 112 126 119 80-39-0 2633 4047 32399 257 65 434 2175 21 California College Stats 29 2005 1 25
Jason Campbell QB 23 WAS 2006 2014 0 0 5 47 90 79 32-47-0 1519 2518 16771 87 60 240 1204 6 Auburn College Stats 30 2004 1 1
Eli Manning QB 23 SDG 2004 2015 0 4 11 104 185 183 97-86-0 3695 6227 44191 294 199 263 523 5 Mississippi College Stats Misc Games Passing Rushing Rk Year Rnd Pick Pos DrAge Tm From To AP1 PB St CarAV G GS QBrec Cmp Att Yds TD Int Att Yds TD College/Univ 31 2004 1 4
Philip Rivers QB 22 NYG 2004 2015 0 5 10 121 164 160 92-68-0 3462 5339 41447 281 135 303 540 3 North Carolina St. College Stats 32 2004 1 11
Ben Roethlisberger QB 22 PIT 2004 2015 0 4 12 108 171 169 113-56-0 3476 5423 42995 272 147 393 1191 15 Miami (OH) College Stats 33 2004 1 22
J.P. Losman QB 23 BUF 2004 2011 0 0 2 19 45 33 10-23-0 564 952 6271 33 34 105 490 3 Tulane College Stats 34 2003 1 1
Carson Palmer QB 23 CIN 2004 2015 0 3 10 100 160 159 83-76-0 3413 5443 40036 259 166 273 424 8 USC College Stats 35 2003 1 7
Byron Leftwich QB 23 JAX 2003 2012 0 0 3 33 60 50 24-26-0 930 1605 10532 58 42 137 415 10 Marshall College Stats 36 2003 1 19
Kyle Boller QB 22 BAL 2003 2011 0 0 4 17 67 47 20-27-0 861 1519 8931 48 54 176 572 2 California College Stats 37 2003 1 22
Rex Grossman QB 23 CHI 2003 2013 0 0 2 23 54 47 25-22-0 863 1562 10232 56 60 81 106 4 Florida College Stats 38 2002 1 1
David Carr QB 23 HOU 2002 2012 0 0 5 44 94 79 23-56-0 1353 2267 14452 65 71 305 1328 9 Fresno St. College Stats 39 2002 1 3
Joey Harrington QB 23 DET 2002 2007 0 0 6 30 81 76 26-50-0 1424 2538 14693 79 85 142 402 0 Oregon College Stats 40 2002 1 32
Patrick Ramsey QB 23 WAS 2002 2008 0 0 1 14 37 24 10-14-0 511 913 5930 35 30 47 89 2 Tulane College Stats 41 2001 1 1
Michael Vick QB 21 ATL 2001 2015 0 4 7 93 143 115 61-51-1 1807 3217 22464 133 88 873 6109 36 Virginia Tech College Stats 42 2000 1 18
Chad Pennington QB 24 NYJ 2000 2010 0 0 6 55 89 81 44-37-0 1632 2471 17823 102 64 180 465 7 Marshall College Stats 43 1999 1 1
Tim Couch QB 22 CLE 1999 2003 0 0 4 30 62 59 22-37-0 1025 1714 11131 64 67 124 556 2 Kentucky College Stats 44 1999 1 2
Donovan McNabb QB 22 PHI 1999 2011 0 6 11 107 167 161 98-62-1 3170 5374 37276 234 117 616 3459 29 Syracuse College Stats 45 1999 1 3
Akili Smith QB 24 CIN 1999 2002 0 0 1 1 22 17 3-14-0 215 461 2212 5 13 70 371 1 Oregon College Stats 46 1999 1 11
Daunte Culpepper QB 22 MIN 1999 2009 0 3 5 86 105 100 41-59-0 2016 3199 24153 149 106 514 2652 34 Central Florida College Stats 47 1999 1 12
Cade McNown QB 22 CHI 1999 2000 0 0 1 7 25 15 3-12-0 281 515 3111 16 19 82 486 3 UCLA College Stats 48 1998 1 1
Peyton Manning QB 22 IND 1998 2015 7 14 16 177 266 265 186-79-0 6125 9380 71940 539 251 431 667 18 Tennessee College Stats 49 1998 1 2
Ryan Leaf QB 22 SDG 1998 2001 0 0 1 1 25 21 4-17-0 317 655 3666 14 36 59 127 0 Washington St. College Stats 50 1997 1 26
Jim Druckenmiller QB 24 SFO 1997 1998 0 0 0 1 6 1 1-0-0 21 52 239 1 4 13 -10 0 Virginia Tech College Stats 51 1995 1 3
Steve McNair QB 22 HOU 1995 2007 0 3 10 100 161 153 91-62-0 2733 4544 31304 174 119 669 3590 37 Alcorn St. College Stats 52 1995 1 5
Kerry Collins QB 22 CAR 1995 2011 0 2 11 81 198 180 81-99-0 3487 6261 40922 208 196 374 686 10 Penn St. College Stats 53 1994 1 3
Heath Shuler QB 22 WAS 1994 1997 0 0 2 6 29 22 8-14-0 292 593 3691 15 33 67 198 1 Tennessee College Stats 54 1994 1 6
Trent Dilfer QB 22 TAM 1994 2007 0 1 7 51 130 113 58-55-0 1759 3172 20518 113 129 248 853 5 Fresno St. College Stats 55 1993 1 1
Drew Bledsoe QB 21 NWE 1993 2006 0 4 12 103 194 193 98-95-0 3839 6717 44611 251 206 385 764 10 Washington St. College Stats 56 1993 1 2
Rick Mirer QB 23 SEA 1993 2003 0 0 5 32 80 68 24-44-0 1088 2043 11969 50 76 242 1130 9 Notre Dame College Stats 57 1992 1 6
David Klingler QB 23 CIN 1992 1997 0 0 1 10 33 24 4-20-0 389 718 3994 16 22 74 456 0 Houston College Stats 58 1992 1 25
Tommy Maddox QB 21 DEN 1992 2005 0 0 2 24 92 36 15-20-1 686 1200 8087 48 54 68 128 1 UCLA College Stats 59 1991 1 16
Dan McGwire QB 23 SEA 1991 1995 0 0 0 2 13 5 2-3-0 74 148 745 2 6 14 6 0 San Diego St. College Stats 60 1991 1 24
Todd Marinovich QB 22 RAI 1991 1992 0 0 0 3 8 8 3-5-0 104 205 1345 8 9 12 44 0 USC College Stats Misc Games Passing Rushing Rk Year Rnd Pick Pos DrAge Tm From To AP1 PB St CarAV G GS QBrec Cmp Att Yds TD Int Att Yds TD College/Univ 61 1990 1 1
Jeff George QB 22 IND 1990 2001 0 0 9 65 131 124 46-78-0 2298 3967 27602 154 113 168 307 2 Illinois College Stats 62 1990 1 7
Andre Ware QB 22 DET
Sort out the Busts
My view...Busts in Red
Questionable status in Green
Good QB stay Blue.
Is it fair to say that the Red and Green vastly outnumber the Blue?
Edit...made some corrections.
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Then so does JFF, and EJ Manuel is at least with the team that drafted him.
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Then so does JFF, and EJ Manuel is at least with the team that drafted him.
Well, RGIII did have about one and a half outstanding years.....those other didn't. So I took that into consideration a bit.
I also dropped Tannehill into the Questionable range.
And I overlooked Jake Locker....had to put him in red. Made corrections.
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From my own assessment, I count 38 qBs in the red/green...bust/questionable range. And only 22 in the blue range.
Thus, just slightly over 1/3rd 36.66% of First round QBs turn out to be successes.
About 18.3% are "questionable". The vast plurality: about 45% of first round QBs drafted become outright busts.
Pretty pathetic when you know going in that whomever you take, statistically has about a one in two chance of being a bust. And a one in three chance of being a good QB.....and about a 10% chance of being so-so.
(and yes...I know...it could be that way for just about any position).
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The pundits said Couch Quinn McCoy and manziel were great it's time to have an independent thought the qb position is cancer to the Browns instead of letting it come to them they chase the first shiny thing they see and it's another wasted pick
I honestly think the NFL feels the draft needs some golden boy QB's so now all of a sudden the pundits say "yeah throw Wentz/Goff in there day 1 they'll be fine". Whereas just two months ago they were like well hang on a minute, would these guys early 1st rounders if there weren't desperate teams? Like the Browns.
So now these kids go get coached up and go on Grudens corner and give him a nice long blowjob and wham...Gruden thinks they're NFL ready. Based on their tape from last year I'm still not seeing QB's we need to look at with the #2 pick. I'd rather us start to look at QB's once we have some semblance of an idea of what our O line is gonna look like. Cause right now it looks like we'll be one of the worst O lines in football for a few years. And you wanna bring in a high pick QB and put him behind that? Wasted pick then.
bullshit.
so mariota was a wasted pick? how was that titans OL? they were smart enough to see their franchise QB and picked him. sure OLs are important and DLs as well. hell on most topics i'd be agreeing with you BUT enuff is enuff and i'm tired of looking at the shirt with the 21 QB names on the back.
you both are being blinded by your love for bosa. what if they chose tunsil? would you be ok with that? how about jack?
no, it has to be bosa right? (who has now slipped from being the #1 pick to number 6-10).
bullshit.
Are you claiming there's is some rationalizing going on here?
Pretty pathetic when you know going in that whomever you take, statistically has about a one in two chance of being a bust. And a one in three chance of being a good QB.....and about a 10% chance of being so-so.
OK... let's stipulate that your assessment is correct. Of what use is it?
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From my own assessment, I count 38 qBs in the red/green...bust/questionable range. And only 22 in the blue range.
Thus, just slightly over 1/3rd 36.66% of First round QBs turn out to be successes.
About 18.3% are "questionable". The vast plurality: about 45% of first round QBs drafted become outright busts.
Pretty pathetic when you know going in that whomever you take, statistically has about a one in two chance of being a bust. And a one in three chance of being a good QB.....and about a 10% chance of being so-so.
(and yes...I know...it could be that way for just about any position).
From my own assessment, I count 38 qBs in the red/green...bust/questionable range. And only 22 in the blue range.
Thus, just slightly over 1/3rd 36.66% of First round QBs turn out to be successes.
About 18.3% are "questionable". The vast plurality: about 45% of first round QBs drafted become outright busts.
Pretty pathetic when you know going in that whomever you take, statistically has about a one in two chance of being a bust. And a one in three chance of being a good QB.....and about a 10% chance of being so-so.
(and yes...I know...it could be that way for just about any position).
Gip that 33% probably holds true for every position taken, not just quarterbacks. For every Joe Thomas, you have a Tony Mandarich. For every Jerry Rice, you have a Willis Adams.
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bullshit.
Are you claiming there's is some rationalizing going on here?
Pretty pathetic when you know going in that whomever you take, statistically has about a one in two chance of being a bust. And a one in three chance of being a good QB.....and about a 10% chance of being so-so.
OK... let's stipulate that your assessment is correct. Of what use is it?
Are you claiming there's is some rationalizing going on here?
OK... let's stipulate that your assessment is correct. Of what use is it?
Well, if Gip is saying if we take a QB, there's only a 33% chance he will succeed. Hmmmm those that want Bosa are forgetting Dan Wilkinson.
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Well, if Gip is saying if we take a QB, there's only a 33% chance he will succeed. Hmmmm those that want Bosa are forgetting Dan Wilkinson.
The logic only holds if there is any dependence on historical data, and if you're picking at random. Every pick is independent from every other, so saying "picking position X gives us a higher percentage of picking a good footballer" is wrong and pointless.
Also, in the last 20 years, every kicker taken in the first round has been a success, so we should draft a kicker in the first round, if you follow the logic.
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bullshit.
Are you claiming there's is some rationalizing going on here?
Pretty pathetic when you know going in that whomever you take, statistically has about a one in two chance of being a bust. And a one in three chance of being a good QB.....and about a 10% chance of being so-so.
OK... let's stipulate that your assessment is correct. Of what use is it?
Are you claiming there's is some rationalizing going on here?
OK... let's stipulate that your assessment is correct. Of what use is it?
Use? Probably none really. You can't even say that being forewarned is being forearmed. You just have to hope that your evaluation process is as good as it can be, then take the crapshoot. With those odds, every selection is a gamble.
The Browns, unfortunately have lost all their gambles.
So, we just have to go with the old gamblers mantra:
"One time baby. Come on. One time".
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From my own assessment, I count 38 qBs in the red/green...bust/questionable range. And only 22 in the blue range.
Thus, just slightly over 1/3rd 36.66% of First round QBs turn out to be successes.
About 18.3% are "questionable". The vast plurality: about 45% of first round QBs drafted become outright busts.
Pretty pathetic when you know going in that whomever you take, statistically has about a one in two chance of being a bust. And a one in three chance of being a good QB.....and about a 10% chance of being so-so.
(and yes...I know...it could be that way for just about any position).
Gip that 33% probably holds true for every position taken, not just quarterbacks. For every Joe Thomas, you have a Tony Mandarich. For every Jerry Rice, you have a Willis Adams.
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Are you claiming there's is some rationalizing going on here?
OK... let's stipulate that your assessment is correct. Of what use is it?
Use? Probably none really. You can't even say that being forewarned is being forearmed. You just have to hope that your evaluation process is as good as it can be, then take the crapshoot. With those odds, every selection is a gamble.
The Browns, unfortunately have lost all their gambles.
So, we just have to go with the old gamblers mantra:
"One time baby. Come on. One time".
Use? Probably none really. You can't even say that being forewarned is being forearmed. You just have to hope that your evaluation process is as good as it can be, then take the crapshoot. With those odds, every selection is a gamble.
The Browns, unfortunately have lost all their gambles.
So, we just have to go with the old gamblers mantra:
"One time baby. Come on. One time".
Bingo... of course we are all smarter than the averages...
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