Camp Bosa
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As much as I love me some Bosa though, if a team wants to part with a kings ransom for him.....you'd have to take it. We have way too many holes. We could get another edge guy plus an interior LB'er.
As much as I love me some Bosa though, if a team wants to part with a kings ransom for him.....you'd have to take it. We have way too many holes. We could get another edge guy plus an interior LB'er.
Sorry, but for any trade down for our #2, I would only want to go down a few spots....and then pick up at least another early 2d rounder.
That is why I have liked the thought of trading with Dallas.....for #2 get #4 plus #35 plus like a 6th rounder.
For anyone wanting to trade for lower than like #5....I would want 2 first rounders this year. And no one has those picks to give.
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LUNKHEAD: Joey Bosa
and? that lunkead will dip and rip through the outside shoulder of most tackles in the NFL "right now". He's not just weight room strong, he's field strong.
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and? that lunkead will dip and rip through the outside shoulder of most tackles in the NFL "right now". He's not just weight room strong, he's field strong.
And that's really all he'll do. His pass rush skillset is mostly limited overpowering the outside arm of the tackle. As a stand up 3-4 OLB, he'll have to have some inside moves because he won't have the time to go outside edge every play.
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and? that lunkead will dip and rip through the outside shoulder of most tackles in the NFL "right now". He's not just weight room strong, he's field strong.
And that's really all he'll do. His pass rush skillset is mostly limited overpowering the outside arm of the tackle. As a stand up 3-4 OLB, he'll have to have some inside moves because he won't have the time to go outside edge every play.
And that's really all he'll do. His pass rush skillset is mostly limited overpowering the outside arm of the tackle. As a stand up 3-4 OLB, he'll have to have some inside moves because he won't have the time to go outside edge every play.
He's still a 4-3 DE then? OK, right, thought he might have magically transformed in the last week. He'll be great but not for us.
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and? that lunkead will dip and rip through the outside shoulder of most tackles in the NFL "right now". He's not just weight room strong, he's field strong.
And that's really all he'll do. His pass rush skillset is mostly limited overpowering the outside arm of the tackle. As a stand up 3-4 OLB, he'll have to have some inside moves because he won't have the time to go outside edge every play.
And that's really all he'll do. His pass rush skillset is mostly limited overpowering the outside arm of the tackle. As a stand up 3-4 OLB, he'll have to have some inside moves because he won't have the time to go outside edge every play.
Uh I've seen him explode the inside shoulder too. His inside move where he pushes the tackles inside shoulder upfield is actually what he became most known for, his most devastating pass rush move. He gets guys moving upfield in anticipation of his edge rush and then he sticks his arm in the armpit of their inside shoulder.They go right upfield and he swims to the inside. I've studied this kids moves dude. I know what I see. Can he do all that from the standup position? Not sure about that. I wouldn't doubt it though. He opened my eyes with his fluidity in space at the combine. I did not know he had that. That's when it dawned on me that he could easily be a 3-4 strong side backer. There's nothing he couldn't do that Horton was askig of Kruger 3 years ago.
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And that's really all he'll do. His pass rush skillset is mostly limited overpowering the outside arm of the tackle. As a stand up 3-4 OLB, he'll have to have some inside moves because he won't have the time to go outside edge every play.
He's still a 4-3 DE then? OK, right, thought he might have magically transformed in the last week. He'll be great but not for us.
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And that's really all he'll do. His pass rush skillset is mostly limited overpowering the outside arm of the tackle. As a stand up 3-4 OLB, he'll have to have some inside moves because he won't have the time to go outside edge every play.
He's still a 4-3 DE then? OK, right, thought he might have magically transformed in the last week. He'll be great but not for us.
He's still a 4-3 DE then? OK, right, thought he might have magically transformed in the last week. He'll be great but not for us.
Not all 3-4's are the same chris. I think we clearly saw that Pettine/Oneils idea of the 3-4 was vastly different than Hortons. Just as an example, Belichick would take Bosa "in a heartbeat" and use him like he's used Vrabel and Ninkovich. Or he'd drift more to a 4-3 and put Bosa on his hands and let the DE on the other side be more of the hybrid. Horton in his presser kind of alluded to the fact that his defense is not the same as it was 3 years ago. Now what that exactly means we're not sure yet. But suffice to say that nothing he's going to do is likely so fundamentally 3-4 or 4-3 that a player like Bosa couldn't do well in it. Or other guys for that matter.
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And that's really all he'll do. His pass rush skillset is mostly limited overpowering the outside arm of the tackle. As a stand up 3-4 OLB, he'll have to have some inside moves because he won't have the time to go outside edge every play.
Uh I've seen him explode the inside shoulder too. His inside move where he pushes the tackles inside shoulder upfield is actually what he became most known for, his most devastating pass rush move. He gets guys moving upfield in anticipation of his edge rush and then he sticks his arm in the armpit of their inside shoulder.They go right upfield and he swims to the inside. I've studied this kids moves dude. I know what I see. Can he do all that from the standup position? Not sure about that. I wouldn't doubt it though. He opened my eyes with his fluidity in space at the combine. I did not know he had that. That's when it dawned on me that he could easily be a 3-4 strong side backer. There's nothing he couldn't do that Horton was askig of Kruger 3 years ago.
Uh I've seen him explode the inside shoulder too. His inside move where he pushes the tackles inside shoulder upfield is actually what he became most known for, his most devastating pass rush move. He gets guys moving upfield in anticipation of his edge rush and then he sticks his arm in the armpit of their inside shoulder.They go right upfield and he swims to the inside. I've studied this kids moves dude. I know what I see. Can he do all that from the standup position? Not sure about that. I wouldn't doubt it though. He opened my eyes with his fluidity in space at the combine. I did not know he had that. That's when it dawned on me that he could easily be a 3-4 strong side backer. There's nothing he couldn't do that Horton was askig of Kruger 3 years ago.
I'm glad you have studied his moves. And I have as well. His inside move is nowhere near his best move, and he won't get away with it as easily in the NFL. His main benefit is that he is good at initial contact and can convert his initial speed to power to crash the edge.
As a 3-4 OLBer, he'll have to have a more refined toolset, because he won't be making early contact and he'll be more often hitting guys who are already well into their pass set. Further, at 275, it's going to be a little harder to continually bull rush guys like that.
He's okay in space, but I wouldn't consider that a strong suit of his, however it's also not a weakness. He looked more comfortable in space than I realized but, then again, fluidity != coverage ability. It remains to be seen how well he'll do when things go live. All in all, I don't think he's a bad prospect, I just would rather see him in a 4-3 than shoehorned into a role here and then people saying in 3 years "stupid Browns, still making stupid decisions, still ruining careers".
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He's still a 4-3 DE then? OK, right, thought he might have magically transformed in the last week. He'll be great but not for us.
Not all 3-4's are the same chris. I think we clearly saw that Pettine/Oneils idea of the 3-4 was vastly different than Hortons. Just as an example, Belichick would take Bosa "in a heartbeat" and use him like he's used Vrabel and Ninkovich. Or he'd drift more to a 4-3 and put Bosa on his hands and let the DE on the other side be more of the hybrid. Horton in his presser kind of alluded to the fact that his defense is not the same as it was 3 years ago. Now what that exactly means we're not sure yet. But suffice to say that nothing he's going to do is likely so fundamentally 3-4 or 4-3 that a player like Bosa couldn't do well in it. Or other guys for that matter.
Not all 3-4's are the same chris. I think we clearly saw that Pettine/Oneils idea of the 3-4 was vastly different than Hortons. Just as an example, Belichick would take Bosa "in a heartbeat" and use him like he's used Vrabel and Ninkovich. Or he'd drift more to a 4-3 and put Bosa on his hands and let the DE on the other side be more of the hybrid. Horton in his presser kind of alluded to the fact that his defense is not the same as it was 3 years ago. Now what that exactly means we're not sure yet. But suffice to say that nothing he's going to do is likely so fundamentally 3-4 or 4-3 that a player like Bosa couldn't do well in it. Or other guys for that matter.
When did Belichick say that?
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Belichick didn't say that, I'm saying he'd do it. Cause he has done it.
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Belichick didn't say that, I'm saying he'd do it. Cause he has done it.
Belichick didn't say that, I'm saying he'd do it. Cause he has done it.
The quotes around "in a heartbeat" threw me off.
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Uh I've seen him explode the inside shoulder too. His inside move where he pushes the tackles inside shoulder upfield is actually what he became most known for, his most devastating pass rush move. He gets guys moving upfield in anticipation of his edge rush and then he sticks his arm in the armpit of their inside shoulder.They go right upfield and he swims to the inside. I've studied this kids moves dude. I know what I see. Can he do all that from the standup position? Not sure about that. I wouldn't doubt it though. He opened my eyes with his fluidity in space at the combine. I did not know he had that. That's when it dawned on me that he could easily be a 3-4 strong side backer. There's nothing he couldn't do that Horton was askig of Kruger 3 years ago.
I'm glad you have studied his moves. And I have as well. His inside move is nowhere near his best move, and he won't get away with it as easily in the NFL. His main benefit is that he is good at initial contact and can convert his initial speed to power to crash the edge.
As a 3-4 OLBer, he'll have to have a more refined toolset, because he won't be making early contact and he'll be more often hitting guys who are already well into their pass set. Further, at 275, it's going to be a little harder to continually bull rush guys like that.
He's okay in space, but I wouldn't consider that a strong suit of his, however it's also not a weakness. He looked more comfortable in space than I realized but, then again, fluidity != coverage ability. It remains to be seen how well he'll do when things go live. All in all, I don't think he's a bad prospect, I just would rather see him in a 4-3 than shoehorned into a role here and then people saying in 3 years "stupid Browns, still making stupid decisions, still ruining careers".
I'm glad you have studied his moves. And I have as well. His inside move is nowhere near his best move, and he won't get away with it as easily in the NFL. His main benefit is that he is good at initial contact and can convert his initial speed to power to crash the edge.
As a 3-4 OLBer, he'll have to have a more refined toolset, because he won't be making early contact and he'll be more often hitting guys who are already well into their pass set. Further, at 275, it's going to be a little harder to continually bull rush guys like that.
He's okay in space, but I wouldn't consider that a strong suit of his, however it's also not a weakness. He looked more comfortable in space than I realized but, then again, fluidity != coverage ability. It remains to be seen how well he'll do when things go live. All in all, I don't think he's a bad prospect, I just would rather see him in a 4-3 than shoehorned into a role here and then people saying in 3 years "stupid Browns, still making stupid decisions, still ruining careers".
1) Kruger was bullrushing the balls off guys at 275-280. He's lost that now, thanks for that Mike.....
2) As for his inside move, I think he talked about it as his best move. It's like a street fighter unblockable when he hits it. But yes you're right that he's gonna need to get stronger and faster to pull it off in the NFL with consistency. He has to follow a similar trajectory as Watt who also kept working at his trade.
3) He showed his coverage ability at OSU. Again, you're not making him the weakside backer. Do you really think he couldn't do what Harrison did with Pgh all those years? Drop back in a zone and murder fools. You're not asking man coverage of your Jack OLB'er, unless of course your name is Mike Pettine than you're sending your hybrid off against the slot's...which is retar...anyway..
4) It's Hortons call. If he slides his D more towards a 4-3 that periodically drops one of it's DE's into a firezone...than it's exactly what Bosa's doing now. We'll see. If Horton moves in the other direction than yeah Bosa may not fit and Buckners the call. Who we could probably get even if we traded down.
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Belichick didn't say that, I'm saying he'd do it. Cause he has done it.
The quotes around "in a heartbeat" threw me off.
The quotes around "in a heartbeat" threw me off.
because that's how much I think he'd jump all over Bosa if he could get him. That defense would be utterly ridiculous with a guy like Bosa.
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I'm glad you have studied his moves. And I have as well. His inside move is nowhere near his best move, and he won't get away with it as easily in the NFL. His main benefit is that he is good at initial contact and can convert his initial speed to power to crash the edge.
As a 3-4 OLBer, he'll have to have a more refined toolset, because he won't be making early contact and he'll be more often hitting guys who are already well into their pass set. Further, at 275, it's going to be a little harder to continually bull rush guys like that.
He's okay in space, but I wouldn't consider that a strong suit of his, however it's also not a weakness. He looked more comfortable in space than I realized but, then again, fluidity != coverage ability. It remains to be seen how well he'll do when things go live. All in all, I don't think he's a bad prospect, I just would rather see him in a 4-3 than shoehorned into a role here and then people saying in 3 years "stupid Browns, still making stupid decisions, still ruining careers".
1) Kruger was bullrushing the balls off guys at 275-280. He's lost that now, thanks for that Mike.....
2) As for his inside move, I think he talked about it as his best move. It's like a street fighter unblockable when he hits it. But yes you're right that he's gonna need to get stronger and faster to pull it off in the NFL with consistency. He has to follow a similar trajectory as Watt who also kept working at his trade.
3) He showed his coverage ability at OSU. Again, you're not making him the weakside backer. Do you really think he couldn't do what Harrison did with Pgh all those years? Drop back in a zone and murder fools. You're not asking man coverage of your Jack OLB'er, unless of course your name is Mike Pettine than you're sending your hybrid off against the slot's...which is retar...anyway..
4) It's Hortons call. If he slides his D more towards a 4-3 that periodically drops one of it's DE's into a firezone...than it's exactly what Bosa's doing now. We'll see. If Horton moves in the other direction than yeah Bosa may not fit and Buckners the call. Who we could probably get even if we traded down.
3) He showed his coverage ability at OSU.
Translation? Is it, "He dropped into a zone?"
I know his lone INT was off a ball he tipped to himself rushing the passer. Of his 6 career Defended Passes, how many were in coverage vs. tips at the LOS?
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I'm glad you have studied his moves. And I have as well. His inside move is nowhere near his best move, and he won't get away with it as easily in the NFL. His main benefit is that he is good at initial contact and can convert his initial speed to power to crash the edge.
As a 3-4 OLBer, he'll have to have a more refined toolset, because he won't be making early contact and he'll be more often hitting guys who are already well into their pass set. Further, at 275, it's going to be a little harder to continually bull rush guys like that.
He's okay in space, but I wouldn't consider that a strong suit of his, however it's also not a weakness. He looked more comfortable in space than I realized but, then again, fluidity != coverage ability. It remains to be seen how well he'll do when things go live. All in all, I don't think he's a bad prospect, I just would rather see him in a 4-3 than shoehorned into a role here and then people saying in 3 years "stupid Browns, still making stupid decisions, still ruining careers".
1) Kruger was bullrushing the balls off guys at 275-280. He's lost that now, thanks for that Mike.....
2) As for his inside move, I think he talked about it as his best move. It's like a street fighter unblockable when he hits it. But yes you're right that he's gonna need to get stronger and faster to pull it off in the NFL with consistency. He has to follow a similar trajectory as Watt who also kept working at his trade.
3) He showed his coverage ability at OSU. Again, you're not making him the weakside backer. Do you really think he couldn't do what Harrison did with Pgh all those years? Drop back in a zone and murder fools. You're not asking man coverage of your Jack OLB'er, unless of course your name is Mike Pettine than you're sending your hybrid off against the slot's...which is retar...anyway..
4) It's Hortons call. If he slides his D more towards a 4-3 that periodically drops one of it's DE's into a firezone...than it's exactly what Bosa's doing now. We'll see. If Horton moves in the other direction than yeah Bosa may not fit and Buckners the call. Who we could probably get even if we traded down.
1) Kruger was bullrushing the balls off guys at 275-280. He's lost that now, thanks for that Mike.....
2) As for his inside move, I think he talked about it as his best move. It's like a street fighter unblockable when he hits it. But yes you're right that he's gonna need to get stronger and faster to pull it off in the NFL with consistency. He has to follow a similar trajectory as Watt who also kept working at his trade.
3) He showed his coverage ability at OSU. Again, you're not making him the weakside backer. Do you really think he couldn't do what Harrison did with Pgh all those years? Drop back in a zone and murder fools. You're not asking man coverage of your Jack OLB'er, unless of course your name is Mike Pettine than you're sending your hybrid off against the slot's...which is retar...anyway..
4) It's Hortons call. If he slides his D more towards a 4-3 that periodically drops one of it's DE's into a firezone...than it's exactly what Bosa's doing now. We'll see. If Horton moves in the other direction than yeah Bosa may not fit and Buckners the call. Who we could probably get even if we traded down.
He may feel like it's his best move, and it may have a higher rate of success, but that's because it's a complementary piece that is set up by his routine outside rush. It's a small piece of the puzzle and it IS effective, but to truly become an elite pass rushing talent (especially from a backer position), he'll have to incorporate at least a few more "moves". Could it come with time, sure. I expect him to get better.
He can certainly work hard at his craft, a la Watt, but that doesn't make him a Watt. Watt is just more athletically talented. Watt weighed in 20 lbs. heavier than Bosa did at the combine, much larger hands, slightly longer arms, ran a tenth of a second faster in the 40, did 10 more bench reps, 5 inches more on vert, one hundredth of a second faster 3-cone and the exact same 20 yard shuttle. Hoping that Bosa could be Watt is aspirational, but also foolish. Bosa just isn't the same.
Bosa is Jared Allen 100%, in my eyes. A great player, certainly one worthy of accolades. But I don't know if Jared Allen would have experienced the same level of success in the 3-4 last season, and I think that's what made him expendable to the Bears.
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I see this claim on other sites that Watt did a tenth faster than Bosa, but that's not what this video from the NFL networks own combine coverage shows. Why is that misinfo being put out there? That being said it's eye opening to see Watt not far behind even Clowney while weighing 290. Can we go back and draft him or something instead of trading down for Phil Taylor? Or maybe drafting Cam Newton or Von Miller? Yeah, pretty much anyone from that '11 draft besides phil taylor
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I see this claim on other sites that Watt did a tenth faster than Bosa, but that's not what this video from the NFL networks own combine coverage shows. Why is that misinfo being put out there? That being said it's eye opening to see Watt not far behind even Clowney while weighing 290. Can we go back and draft him or something instead of trading down for Phil Taylor? Or maybe drafting Cam Newton or Von Miller? Yeah, pretty much anyone from that '11 draft besides phil taylor
I see this claim on other sites that Watt did a tenth faster than Bosa, but that's not what this video from the NFL networks own combine coverage shows. Why is that misinfo being put out there? That being said it's eye opening to see Watt not far behind even Clowney while weighing 290. Can we go back and draft him or something instead of trading down for Phil Taylor? Or maybe drafting Cam Newton or Von Miller? Yeah, pretty much anyone from that '11 draft besides phil taylor
That was my fault, I meant hundredth. It was 4.85 to 4.86 or something like that, I just brain farted on the right word.
But yes, I agree - it's mind boggling to think that Bosa is being praised for his athletic prowess, yet Watt had nearly the exact same performance if not a shade better, and Watt still wasn't a top five pick. That draft class was absolutely insane...and we still fucked it up. Something like the top six or eight players have all been to at least one Pro Bowl already, IIRC.
Either way, I think the point for me is that Bosa will be good in either system, but I think he'll be much better in a 4-3 while a guy like Buckner is equally as athletically talented but is a better fit for the 3-4. Personally, I'd rather go Buckner / Dodd than go Bosa / Spence.
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If Watt, Bosa and Clowney were all coming out this year.....I really do believe i'd still like Bosa the best based on the college tape. They were all pass rushing studs but it's the edge discipline that puts Bosa over them all. Obviously in hindsight you take Watt cause he ends up doing everything. I'm just saying based on their college tape.
For me the run defense is priority number one on the whole team. This is why I wanted Mack so bad, even over Watkins. If we go Buckner or Spence I'm ok with that, they're not bad against the run but def need more work than Bosa, but we can get those guys with a trade down. If we stay at 2 there's really only 2 guys that are worth staying there vs what we could get in a trade down.
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