GOP Candidates Fueled by Evangelical Insanity
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There is always going to be a divide over this issue because the bible clearly says homosexuality is a sinful behavior.
Except that's not true. One side is growing and one side is fading. It is pretty apparent.
There will always be a divide over this like there will always be a divide on letting women vote.
Except that's not true. One side is growing and one side is fading. It is pretty apparent.
There will always be a divide over this like there will always be a divide on letting women vote.
There is nothing in the bible saying "thou shalt not let women vote" there are scriptures (many in fact) in the OT and the NT that call homosexuality a sin. Because of that there will always be a divide between those who believe the bible is the word of God as compared to some churches whose doctrine is the bible contains the word of God. The difference between the two is that the latter believes that some percentage of the bible is actually the true word of God and some is not. The problem with that theology is what divine revelation do they have to separate the true word of God from those that are just the words of man? How do they know which part is which? The fact is they can't and the only way to be sure is to take all of the bible as inspired scripture from God. That divide is not going away.
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the only way to be sure is to take all of the bible as inspired scripture from God. That divide is not going away.
Do you fall in to this camp? A literal interpretation of the bible?
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the only way to be sure is to take all of the bible as inspired scripture from God. That divide is not going away.
Do you fall in to this camp? A literal interpretation of the bible?
Do you fall in to this camp? A literal interpretation of the bible?
I think you know the answer to this one.
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I meant like the whole shebang - from rib-lady and talking snakes, creating first day/night and then the sun, literally parting the water, all that business - on top of 'jesus said it so it must be true'
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I think you know the answer to this one.
Bingo.
I don't understand those who believe the Christian belief of God becoming a man, dying on a cross for their sins and rising from death and ascending to the Father to be the mediator and savior of mankind yet the story of Jonah is too far fetched. Of course it would take a miracle for the story of Jonah to be real but it would also take a miracle to believe in the story of Jesus. If you can believe in one miracle why are you stopping there?
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So laws of physics are just like, guidelines, and you have no reason to give a shit about anything when it can all the bad things can be magicked away. Got it.
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I meant like the whole shebang - from rib-lady and talking snakes, creating first day/night and then the sun, literally parting the water, all that business - on top of 'jesus said it so it must be true'
I meant like the whole shebang - from rib-lady and talking snakes, creating first day/night and then the sun, literally parting the water, all that business - on top of 'jesus said it so it must be true'
If you are a Christian or call yourself a Christian and you cannot believe the words of the one you are trusting to save you (Jesus) I think you need to find another faith.
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So do you live by all the rules in the bible, new and old?
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So laws of physics are just like, guidelines, and you have no reason to give a shit about anything when it can all the bad things can be magicked away. Got it.
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So laws of physics are just like, guidelines, and you have no reason to give a shit about anything when it can all the bad things can be magicked away. Got it.
So laws of physics are just like, guidelines, and you have no reason to give a shit about anything when it can all the bad things can be magicked away. Got it.
If you believe in a creator God like I do then the one who created those laws of physics can suspend them as well. Jesus could multiply the five loaves of bread and 2 fish and feed 5,000. It seems to me we are always learning and the more we learn we realize the more we don't know. The bible is a revelation that there is another dimension a spiritual realm. I believe it. Atheists are like fish in a pond believing there is nothing outside the pond.
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So do you live by all the rules in the bible, new and old?
The laws of the OT were to show the high standards of God and that we as humans cannot live up to the standards no matter how hard we try. NO one could keep the law. There is one who lived up to the standard (Jesus) and he makes up for us all we lack. I believe in Jesus and His sacrifice and what that means.
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So do you live by all the rules in the bible, new and old?
The laws of the OT were to show the high standards of God and that we as humans cannot live up to the standards no matter how hard we try. NO one could keep the law. There is one who lived up to the standard (Jesus) and he makes up for us all we lack. I believe in Jesus and His sacrifice and what that means.
The laws of the OT were to show the high standards of God and that we as humans cannot live up to the standards no matter how hard we try. NO one could keep the law. There is one who lived up to the standard (Jesus) and he makes up for us all we lack. I believe in Jesus and His sacrifice and what that means.
So, the laws are there, and they are the laws that you should be living up to, but because you're 'only human after all' you can just kind of ignore them? That's mighty convenient.
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The laws of the OT were to show the high standards of God and that we as humans cannot live up to the standards no matter how hard we try. NO one could keep the law. There is one who lived up to the standard (Jesus) and he makes up for us all we lack. I believe in Jesus and His sacrifice and what that means.
So, the laws are there, and they are the laws that you should be living up to, but because you're 'only human after all' you can just kind of ignore them? That's mighty convenient.
So, the laws are there, and they are the laws that you should be living up to, but because you're 'only human after all' you can just kind of ignore them? That's mighty convenient.
Who said anything about ignoring anything. I said no one could keep the law. That is the reason Jesus came. Christianity is not built on a set of rules to follow it is a relationship with God. The bible speaks of a new covenant relationship that was to come and now we are living in it:
Jeremiah 31:31-34New International Version (NIV)31 “The days are coming,” declares the Lord,
“when I will make a new covenant
with the people of Israel
and with the people of Judah.
32 It will not be like the covenant
I made with their ancestors
when I took them by the hand
to lead them out of Egypt,
because they broke my covenant,
though I was a husband to[a] them,[b]”
declares the Lord.
33 “This is the covenant I will make with the people of Israel
after that time,” declares the Lord.
“I will put my law in their minds
and write it on their hearts.
I will be their God,
and they will be my people.
34 No longer will they teach their neighbor,
or say to one another, ‘Know the Lord,’
because they will all know me,
from the least of them to the greatest,”
declares the Lord.
“For I will forgive their wickedness
and will remember their sins no more.”
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So laws of physics are just like, guidelines, and you have no reason to give a shit about anything when it can all the bad things can be magicked away. Got it.
If you believe in a creator God like I do then the one who created those laws of physics can suspend them as well. Jesus could multiply the five loaves of bread and 2 fish and feed 5,000. It seems to me we are always learning and the more we learn we realize the more we don't know. The bible is a revelation that there is another dimension a spiritual realm. I believe it. Atheists are like fish in a pond believing there is nothing outside the pond.
If you believe in a creator God like I do then the one who created those laws of physics can suspend them as well. Jesus could multiply the five loaves of bread and 2 fish and feed 5,000. It seems to me we are always learning and the more we learn we realize the more we don't know. The bible is a revelation that there is another dimension a spiritual realm. I believe it. Atheists are like fish in a pond believing there is nothing outside the pond.
There is as much proof for there being a God as there is for Santa Claus. Atheists just choose to believe in things that can be proven.
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If you believe in a creator God like I do then the one who created those laws of physics can suspend them as well. Jesus could multiply the five loaves of bread and 2 fish and feed 5,000. It seems to me we are always learning and the more we learn we realize the more we don't know. The bible is a revelation that there is another dimension a spiritual realm. I believe it. Atheists are like fish in a pond believing there is nothing outside the pond.
There is as much proof for there being a God as there is for Santa Claus. Atheists just choose to believe in things that can be proven.
There is as much proof for there being a God as there is for Santa Claus. Atheists just choose to believe in things that can be proven.
Atheists have the dilemma of living in a huge enormous universe that science is saying itself had a beginning and their core belief all that exists came out of absolute nothingness.
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There is as much proof for there being a God as there is for Santa Claus. Atheists just choose to believe in things that can be proven.
Atheists have the dilemma of living in a huge enormous universe that science is saying itself had a beginning and their core belief all that exists came out of absolute nothingness.
Atheists have the dilemma of living in a huge enormous universe that science is saying itself had a beginning and their core belief all that exists came out of absolute nothingness.
It's not really a dilemma, it's just called "physics". No divine revelation necessary.
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Atheists have the dilemma of living in a huge enormous universe that science is saying itself had a beginning and their core belief all that exists came out of absolute nothingness.
It's not really a dilemma, it's just called "physics". No divine revelation necessary.
It's not really a dilemma, it's just called "physics". No divine revelation necessary.
Has physics shown that out of absolute nothing came all of this? If science wants to take it down to a "god particle" that was the beginning of everything don't they have to take for granted the existence of a god particle?
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So, the laws are there, and they are the laws that you should be living up to, but because you're 'only human after all' you can just kind of ignore them? That's mighty convenient.
Who said anything about ignoring anything. I said no one could keep the law. That is the reason Jesus came. Christianity is not built on a set of rules to follow it is a relationship with God. The bible speaks of a new covenant relationship that was to come and now we are living in it:
Jeremiah 31:31-34New International Version (NIV)31 “The days are coming,” declares the Lord,
“when I will make a new covenant
with the people of Israel
and with the people of Judah.
32 It will not be like the covenant
I made with their ancestors
when I took them by the hand
to lead them out of Egypt,
because they broke my covenant,
though I was a husband to[a] them,[b]”
declares the Lord.
33 “This is the covenant I will make with the people of Israel
after that time,” declares the Lord.
“I will put my law in their minds
and write it on their hearts.
I will be their God,
and they will be my people.
34 No longer will they teach their neighbor,
or say to one another, ‘Know the Lord,’
because they will all know me,
from the least of them to the greatest,”
declares the Lord.
“For I will forgive their wickedness
and will remember their sins no more.”
Who said anything about ignoring anything. I said no one could keep the law. That is the reason Jesus came. Christianity is not built on a set of rules to follow it is a relationship with God. The bible speaks of a new covenant relationship that was to come and now we are living in it:
Right, you start off by accepting you're not going to be able to keep to the law. I'm reminded of another thread we had here recently - "how else how gonna git his money?" What you're saying is, you know the rules are there, and they are the absolute law of your almighty god, but you'll inevitably break that, and that's all fine and dandy? As I understand it, Jesus dying is to bridge that gap between your 'good intentions' and perfection. So, did god know that he was setting impossibly high standards for everyone, and anyone who happened to live before jesus came along was just systematically fucked, or did he not realise and was forced to hurriedly send his son, himself, as a kind of catch-all?
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Who said anything about ignoring anything. I said no one could keep the law. That is the reason Jesus came. Christianity is not built on a set of rules to follow it is a relationship with God. The bible speaks of a new covenant relationship that was to come and now we are living in it:
Right, you start off by accepting you're not going to be able to keep to the law. I'm reminded of another thread we had here recently - "how else how gonna git his money?" What you're saying is, you know the rules are there, and they are the absolute law of your almighty god, but you'll inevitably break that, and that's all fine and dandy? As I understand it, Jesus dying is to bridge that gap between your 'good intentions' and perfection. So, did god know that he was setting impossibly high standards for everyone, and anyone who happened to live before jesus came along was just systematically fucked, or did he not realise and was forced to hurriedly send his son, himself, as a kind of catch-all?
Right, you start off by accepting you're not going to be able to keep to the law. I'm reminded of another thread we had here recently - "how else how gonna git his money?" What you're saying is, you know the rules are there, and they are the absolute law of your almighty god, but you'll inevitably break that, and that's all fine and dandy? As I understand it, Jesus dying is to bridge that gap between your 'good intentions' and perfection. So, did god know that he was setting impossibly high standards for everyone, and anyone who happened to live before jesus came along was just systematically fucked, or did he not realise and was forced to hurriedly send his son, himself, as a kind of catch-all?
There is a lot of truth to the cliche Christians aren't perfect they are forgiven. Those who lived under the Old Covenant and trusted in those promises were redeemed by Jesus. Those who never heard the gospel will be judged by another standard according to the bible.
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It's not really a dilemma, it's just called "physics". No divine revelation necessary.
Has physics shown that out of absolute nothing came all of this? If science wants to take it down to a "god particle" that was the beginning of everything don't they have to take for granted the existence of a god particle?
Has physics shown that out of absolute nothing came all of this?
Physicists have demonstrated that our universe more than likely began as an infinitely small and dense object, known as a singularity, which erupted into what is known as the Big Bang, roughly 13.8 billion years ago. And yes, many theories in cosmology postulate that our universe did indeed arise from nothing. Its actually quite interesting:
http://bigthink.com/dr-kakus-universe/can-a-universe-create-itself-out-of-nothing
If science wants to take it down to a "god particle" that was the beginning of everything don't they have to take for granted the existence of a god particle?
Scientists don't believe that a "god particle" was the beginning of everything. Perhaps you are referring to the Higgs Boson, which had been dubbed the "god particle" in the media. But the Higgs boson is not a "god particle", and it has been demonstrated to exist; the scientists at the Large Hadron Collider in Europe discovered it a few years back. Higgs bosons form the Higgs field, which gives other particles, such as protons and electrons, mass.
http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/208652-what-is-the-higgs-boson
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