BE to Giants Still Alive
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You can't use another trade as your concrete guide.....you have to do what you think is good for your team.
I don't want to give Braylon away, but holding out for top dollar might be a bit self defeating. I think what is being offered, or has been, isn't out of the question.
You can't use another trade as your concrete guide.....you have to do what you think is good for your team.
I don't want to give Braylon away, but holding out for top dollar might be a bit self defeating. I think what is being offered, or has been, isn't out of the question.
You are right. Williams had 2 years left on his contract and a willingness to add another year. Braylon has 1 year left and you can't expect top $$ unless he will agree to doing a new contract with the team he is traded to.
Philly and NY, in the same division, rivals and both want a stud WR. Philly has the picks to trade up, NY may see Edwards as the cheaper and better deal. Then again, JAX may screw the one that waits for Maclin to fall So, trading up with us could be a real option.
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Im thinking everyone but cribbs,thomas and DQJ are tradebait to mankok theres little doubt in my mind that in 2-3 years none of the current browns will be there mangini is going to gut this fish and put his own stamp on the team for better or for worse we dont know yet..we do know it cant get much worse then its been for the past 10 years and we are way overdue to get it right if only for a short while...
I think mankok is without a doubt the most solid regime we have had since 99' but unfortunately solidity doesnt always equate to winning...
Im thinking everyone but cribbs,thomas and DQJ are tradebait
If we could get any value for DQJ I'd move him in a heartbeat. He's a little more durable version of Ben Taylor. A lot of tackles . . . all 4-7 yards off the LOS, lots of missed tackles and can't get off a block. To say that he was the best LBer on this team is surely damning with faint praise. IMO he couldn't have even worn a young Andra Davis's jock. We need two new starting ILBs. DQJ would be a nice ST player/backup -- but not even Chaun Thompson caliber in the ST role.
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Can't trade him for anything less than Dallas gave up for Roy Williams, who has never had a season like Braylon put up in 2007.
Can't trade him for anything less than Dallas gave up for Roy Williams, who has never had a season like Braylon put up in 2007.
Then be content to keep him for another year -- probably to be disappointed and then to look at the option of waaaaay overpaying him with the franchise tag.
Problem is that Braylon is not a good underneath receiver and without having to key on Winslow last year, most teams didn't have a lot of trouble defensing him.
I'd take Manningham and Hixon and the Third rounder, let the Giants keep their Fifth rounder and offer the Giants their choice of Hubbard or Steptoe to go along with Braylon.
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Can't trade him for anything less than Dallas gave up for Roy Williams, who has never had a season like Braylon put up in 2007.
Then be content to keep him for another year -- probably to be disappointed and then to look at the option of waaaaay overpaying him with the franchise tag.
Problem is that Braylon is not a good underneath receiver and without having to key on Winslow last year, most teams didn't have a lot of trouble defensing him.
I'd take Manningham and Hixon and the Third rounder, let the Giants keep their Fifth rounder and offer the Giants their choice of Hubbard or Steptoe to go along with Braylon.
Then be content to keep him for another year -- probably to be disappointed and then to look at the option of waaaaay overpaying him with the franchise tag.
Problem is that Braylon is not a good underneath receiver and without having to key on Winslow last year, most teams didn't have a lot of trouble defensing him.
I'd take Manningham and Hixon and the Third rounder, let the Giants keep their Fifth rounder and offer the Giants their choice of Hubbard or Steptoe to go along with Braylon.
If BE disappoints again this year, why would CLE even use the franchise tag on him? That makes no sense.
Last year BE's concentration lapses and teams taking him away from DA had more to do w/ anything than not having Winslow in games. Hell BE had one of his best games w/o Winslow in the lineup (see NYG game) and a great game when BUF took Winslow away. Teams have problems playing BE one on one.
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Let's not get crazy here, I'm not in favor of just giving him away like Dexter, I'm just saying if there are some serious offers of a 1 and 3 or even a 2 and 3 and a player such as Hixon or Smith they should be all on it.
I definitely am not in favor of just letting him walk for a Mangini calzone, that's ridiculous. At the same time, to think they would ever get what Dallas gave Detroit for Williams is wishful thinking, too.
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Then be content to keep him for another year -- probably to be disappointed and then to look at the option of waaaaay overpaying him with the franchise tag.
Problem is that Braylon is not a good underneath receiver and without having to key on Winslow last year, most teams didn't have a lot of trouble defensing him.
I'd take Manningham and Hixon and the Third rounder, let the Giants keep their Fifth rounder and offer the Giants their choice of Hubbard or Steptoe to go along with Braylon.
If BE disappoints again this year, why would CLE even use the franchise tag on him? That makes no sense.
Last year BE's concentration lapses and teams taking him away from DA had more to do w/ anything than not having Winslow in games. Hell BE had one of his best games w/o Winslow in the lineup (see NYG game) and a great game when BUF took Winslow away. Teams have problems playing BE one on one.
Masters said:
If BE disappoints again this year, why would CLE even use the franchise tag on him? That makes no sense.It's that or lose him after next year....He's not going to stay after his contract is up. Do you want him to walk away with no compensation? If you have that attitude you better take anything right now for him.
Talk about not making any sense.. You either trade him or franchise him. There is no other choice.
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then, when no one wants his ass after franchising him......you'r left overpaying for a worthless receiver.
letting him walk is so much worse than paying him. we can pay anyone to drop balls all over the field.
then, when no one wants his ass after franchising him......you'r left overpaying for a worthless receiver.
letting him walk is so much worse than paying him. we can pay anyone to drop balls all over the field.
That's why you try hard to deal him now. Letting him walk is not a good idea. Paying him a franchise salary and taking the cap hit is not a good idea either.
I still think it happens on draft day. Trading him makes the most sense.
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Masters said:
If BE disappoints again this year, why would CLE even use the franchise tag on him? That makes no sense.It's that or lose him after next year....He's not going to stay after his contract is up. Do you want him to walk away with no compensation? If you have that attitude you better take anything right now for him.
Talk about not making any sense.. You either trade him or franchise him. There is no other choice.
It's that or lose him after next year....He's not going to stay after his contract is up. Do you want him to walk away with no compensation? If you have that attitude you better take anything right now for him.
Talk about not making any sense.. You either trade him or franchise him. There is no other choice.
But if he has back to back poor years, why do you care if he walks for nothing. It's better than giving him away for nothing now. As well as it out ways the risk of having no proven WR for your QB to throw too. Am I the only person who remembers the days of Couch to KJ? Because that is where CLE will be again if they ship BE out. Drafting a WR will still be a rookie WR and there is no Randy Moss in this draft.
We are talking next offseason here. You can franchise him and keep him, you can transition tag him and keep him, you can tag him and trade him (if he returns to form, which I said in the other post). If he has another shitty year, you can let him walk.
You move him this year, what choice do you have at WR? David Patten, unproven rookie (which means less help on the D), and who?
It all depends on which player you think he is. If you think he is the 2007 player and will rebound this year, you don't just ship him to ship him, because you got some bug in your ass about quotes from him.
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I think part of why so many of us would rather see Edwards swapped for something now is because after DA's one season wonder we went from a first and a third to jack shit for the guy and don't want to see him walk without getting anything in return and don't want to take the chance at losing the sell high part like good old DA.
Maybe if we have a qb that hits Edwards in stride and doesn't hang him out to dry, and maybe if he can make it through another full season healthy we can see PROBOWL Edwards again, but that's an awful lot of maybes when you've got the chance to sell high during a rebuilding phase.
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