Wanted: A Muslim Speaker
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No see that's the thing you THINK you're proving me wrong but what are the results of Jordan's PR airstrike campaigns and Egypt's condemnations? Nothing tangible. Therefore you're not at all proving me wrong.
No see that's the thing you THINK you're proving me wrong but what are the results of Jordan's PR airstrike campaigns and Egypt's condemnations? Nothing tangible. Therefore you're not at all proving me wrong.
You're moving the goalposts as you go, FYI.
But Cal thinks you've won. So there you go. But he probably thinks I'm a terrorist sympathizer or something...
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Condemning them isn't enough. Not when they're suicide bombing every other day. They need to raise an army and deal with it.Except there are plenty of Muslim groups that have condemned acts like this and ISIS. That just doesn't make for click baity news
Condemning them isn't enough. Not when they're suicide bombing every other day. They need to raise an army and deal with it.
How am I moving the goalposts?
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Then
"All the powers that be over there have manpower. Saudi, Jordan, Iran, Egypt, Turkey, various others. That they refuse to do anything about it implies that they either don't care or support it."
Now
- long posts about how airstrikes aren't effective
- saying they need to do more
- saying what they're doing isn't good enough
- saying they're doing "nothing tangible"
You went from "They do nothing at all, so they don't care or support ISIS!" to "Ok, they do things, but I think those things aren't good enough!"
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You dont want to try to match wits with The Cysko Kid. He'll have you balling and shit.
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Are they committing any manpower Yes or no?,
Early man walked away as modern man took control. Their minds weren't all the same and to conquer was their goal. So He built his great empires and he slaughtered his own kind, and he died a confused man and killed himself in his own mind... -
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You dont want to try to match wits with The Cysko Kid. He'll have you balling and shit.
Thanks, but I'll take my chances.
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No, I don't. But you arguments lack legit substance to the point, and often end up
strangely misdirecting. The op is about wanting a Muslim speaker/leader, to speak out
about the terrorists taking the Koran as a warrant for hideous, sickening, genocidal violence.
You brought up "Christians" in Africa, woodpecker. It has nothing to do with the world wide threat
of isis, al qaeda, other groups.
I didn't see anything in your links about Africa, btw. Did I miss it? I watched all the video...
And YOU talk about defection and
moving goalposts????
???? come on.
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Are they committing any manpower Yes or no?,
Are they committing any manpower Yes or no?,
Is that what you originally said?
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We've known about Jordan's occasional airstrikes since isis burned their pilot alive at some point last year. And how badly has that hampered them?
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Yes I quoted my original post you jackass. What part of "raise an army" doesn't make sense to you?
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Don't bother typing up posts for me Cal. I have no intent to get in a back and forth with you.
(Pretend that is because of whatever reason you'd like)
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Are airstrikes and lip service an army?
Early man walked away as modern man took control. Their minds weren't all the same and to conquer was their goal. So He built his great empires and he slaughtered his own kind, and he died a confused man and killed himself in his own mind... -
Don't bother typing up posts for me Cal. I have no intent to get in a back and forth with you. woody
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good, because you are standing on one birdfoot leaning backwards in a hurricane,
and trying to say you are perfect at leaning, and that means you "won" something.
Frankly, you are looking pretty foolish in this argument, and none of it is anybody else's fault but yours.
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Are airstrikes and lip service an army?
Are airstrikes and lip service an army?
You implied they were doing nothing at all. The post I quoted at the top if the last page has you saying this. That's obviously not true. You even insinuated they might support ISIS, which is asinine.
If you think they need to do more, that's fair. But saying they've done nothing is not.
(without getting into the belief some have on here regarding Muslims and them not speaking out against ISIS)
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There's a lot of muslims who denounce terrorist acts.
Then again there's a lot that don't.
All I know is they are not integrating very well in Europe and something has to be done about it. They have their own neighborhoods and nobody can go there because of how dangerous it is - they barely speak the language and can't get jobs. The entire muslim neighborhood in Brussels was hiding that guy involved in the Paris attacks.
There's been many experiments where you take a group of maybe 50 moderate muslims. They all denounce terrorist acts and all this stuff - then you read a verse out of the quran that says "apostates shall be killed" and ask if they're willing to denounce it and nobody in the room makes a peep.
It's not a matter of them all being bad people, but if we're talking about 300-400 million people who support Sharia law and disavow freedom of speech - there's definitely some problems that need to be solved.
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A little comparison for those who think Jordan is a rock ribbed Ally against Isis. President Obama has occasionally made speeches stating that he believes the African American community should be more responsible and eschew the more negative principles of what we call Black Culture.
However his actions especially in the way he directs the justice department do not mesh with those words.
Just an example.
WSS
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Do you have a specific example?
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There's a lot of muslims who denounce terrorist acts.
Then again there's a lot that don't.
All I know is they are not integrating very well in Europe and something has to be done about it. They have their own neighborhoods and nobody can go there because of how dangerous it is - they barely speak the language and can't get jobs. The entire muslim neighborhood in Brussels was hiding that guy involved in the Paris attacks.
There's been many experiments where you take a group of maybe 50 moderate muslims. They all denounce terrorist acts and all this stuff - then you read a verse out of the quran that says "apostates shall be killed" and ask if they're willing to denounce it and nobody in the room makes a peep.
It's not a matter of them all being bad people, but if we're talking about 300-400 million people who support Sharia law and disavow freedom of speech - there's definitely some problems that need to be solved.
There's been many experiments where you take a group of maybe 50 moderate muslims. They all denounce terrorist acts and all this stuff - then you read a verse out of the quran that says "apostates shall be killed" and ask if they're willing to denounce it and nobody in the room makes a peep.
My guess is it might be fear for their own safety as to say a verse in the koran should not be followed might bring down a death sentence on them. For me it all comes back to the koran. The koran is what the Islamic terrorists use to justify their evil deeds and the koran is the reason those Muslims who do condemn violence are afraid to speak out against the source of the violence which are some of the teachings of the koran.
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Sometimes I read 'koran' as 'korean' and the whole sentence takes on a wonderful new meaning. As if some korean drug lord, known simply as 'the korean' is watching out for everyone who goes against what he has to say
The korean is what the Islamic terrorists use to justify their evil deeds and the korean is the reason those Muslims who do condemn violence are afraid to speak out against the source of the violence which are some of the teachings of the korean.
We must kneecap people who don't pay, the korean told us so. We must keep pushing kimchi, the korean told us if we stop we will be killed. -
There's been many experiments where you take a group of maybe 50 moderate muslims. They all denounce terrorist acts and all this stuff - then you read a verse out of the quran that says "apostates shall be killed" and ask if they're willing to denounce it and nobody in the room makes a peep.
My guess is it might be fear for their own safety as to say a verse in the koran should not be followed might bring down a death sentence on them. For me it all comes back to the koran. The koran is what the Islamic terrorists use to justify their evil deeds and the koran is the reason those Muslims who do condemn violence are afraid to speak out against the source of the violence which are some of the teachings of the koran.
My guess is it might be fear for their own safety as to say a verse in the koran should not be followed might bring down a death sentence on them. For me it all comes back to the koran. The koran is what the Islamic terrorists use to justify their evil deeds and the koran is the reason those Muslims who do condemn violence are afraid to speak out against the source of the violence which are some of the teachings of the koran.
I think it's more related to the fact that the quran is the will/word of Allah. If you denounce anything it says, then you could be viewed as denouncing Allah.
Not too different from Christianity, though most western Christians have evolved to a point where they realize biblical stories and writings are contextual to the time period they were written - and mostly stuff that isn't supposed to be taken literally.
Though I guess many choose to do that selectively depending on what they agree with. The normal Muslims who live in western society probably the same case.
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