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  • There's a lot of muslims who denounce terrorist acts.

    Then again there's a lot that don't.

    All I know is they are not integrating very well in Europe and something has to be done about it. They have their own neighborhoods and nobody can go there because of how dangerous it is - they barely speak the language and can't get jobs. The entire muslim neighborhood in Brussels was hiding that guy involved in the Paris attacks.

    There's been many experiments where you take a group of maybe 50 moderate muslims. They all denounce terrorist acts and all this stuff - then you read a verse out of the quran that says "apostates shall be killed" and ask if they're willing to denounce it and nobody in the room makes a peep.

    It's not a matter of them all being bad people, but if we're talking about 300-400 million people who support Sharia law and disavow freedom of speech - there's definitely some problems that need to be solved.

  • A little comparison for those who think Jordan is a rock ribbed Ally against Isis. President Obama has occasionally made speeches stating that he believes the African American community should be more responsible and eschew the more negative principles of what we call Black Culture.

    However his actions especially in the way he directs the justice department do not mesh with those words.

    Just an example.

    WSS

  • Do you have a specific example?

  • There's a lot of muslims who denounce terrorist acts.

    Then again there's a lot that don't.

    All I know is they are not integrating very well in Europe and something has to be done about it. They have their own neighborhoods and nobody can go there because of how dangerous it is - they barely speak the language and can't get jobs. The entire muslim neighborhood in Brussels was hiding that guy involved in the Paris attacks.

    There's been many experiments where you take a group of maybe 50 moderate muslims. They all denounce terrorist acts and all this stuff - then you read a verse out of the quran that says "apostates shall be killed" and ask if they're willing to denounce it and nobody in the room makes a peep.

    It's not a matter of them all being bad people, but if we're talking about 300-400 million people who support Sharia law and disavow freedom of speech - there's definitely some problems that need to be solved.

    @bbedward said:

    There's been many experiments where you take a group of maybe 50 moderate muslims. They all denounce terrorist acts and all this stuff - then you read a verse out of the quran that says "apostates shall be killed" and ask if they're willing to denounce it and nobody in the room makes a peep.

    My guess is it might be fear for their own safety as to say a verse in the koran should not be followed might bring down a death sentence on them. For me it all comes back to the koran. The koran is what the Islamic terrorists use to justify their evil deeds and the koran is the reason those Muslims who do condemn violence are afraid to speak out against the source of the violence which are some of the teachings of the koran.

  • Sometimes I read 'koran' as 'korean' and the whole sentence takes on a wonderful new meaning. As if some korean drug lord, known simply as 'the korean' is watching out for everyone who goes against what he has to say

    The korean is what the Islamic terrorists use to justify their evil deeds and the korean is the reason those Muslims who do condemn violence are afraid to speak out against the source of the violence which are some of the teachings of the korean.

    We must kneecap people who don't pay, the korean told us so. We must keep pushing kimchi, the korean told us if we stop we will be killed.
  • @bbedward said:

    There's been many experiments where you take a group of maybe 50 moderate muslims. They all denounce terrorist acts and all this stuff - then you read a verse out of the quran that says "apostates shall be killed" and ask if they're willing to denounce it and nobody in the room makes a peep.

    My guess is it might be fear for their own safety as to say a verse in the koran should not be followed might bring down a death sentence on them. For me it all comes back to the koran. The koran is what the Islamic terrorists use to justify their evil deeds and the koran is the reason those Muslims who do condemn violence are afraid to speak out against the source of the violence which are some of the teachings of the koran.

    @oldbrownsfan said:

    My guess is it might be fear for their own safety as to say a verse in the koran should not be followed might bring down a death sentence on them. For me it all comes back to the koran. The koran is what the Islamic terrorists use to justify their evil deeds and the koran is the reason those Muslims who do condemn violence are afraid to speak out against the source of the violence which are some of the teachings of the koran.

    I think it's more related to the fact that the quran is the will/word of Allah. If you denounce anything it says, then you could be viewed as denouncing Allah.

    Not too different from Christianity, though most western Christians have evolved to a point where they realize biblical stories and writings are contextual to the time period they were written - and mostly stuff that isn't supposed to be taken literally.

    Though I guess many choose to do that selectively depending on what they agree with. The normal Muslims who live in western society probably the same case.

  • Sometimes I read 'koran' as 'korean' and the whole sentence takes on a wonderful new meaning. As if some korean drug lord, known simply as 'the korean' is watching out for everyone who goes against what he has to say

    The korean is what the Islamic terrorists use to justify their evil deeds and the korean is the reason those Muslims who do condemn violence are afraid to speak out against the source of the violence which are some of the teachings of the korean.

    We must kneecap people who don't pay, the korean told us so. We must keep pushing kimchi, the korean told us if we stop we will be killed.

    @gftchris said:

    Sometimes I read 'koran' as 'korean' and the whole sentence takes on a wonderful new meaning. As if some korean drug lord, known simply as 'the korean' is watching out for everyone who goes against what he has to say

    The korean is what the Islamic terrorists use to justify their evil deeds and the korean is the reason those Muslims who do condemn violence are afraid to speak out against the source of the violence which are some of the teachings of the korean.

    We must kneecap people who don't pay, the korean told us so. We must keep pushing kimchi, the korean told us if we stop we will be killed.

    Kim Chee and Soju

  • Do you have a specific example?

    @mld-woody said:

    Do you have a specific example?

    Of what particularly? The jordanians spoke somewhat authoritatively yet the only troops they've seemed to committed are guarding their border.

    Or did you mean the president who has sent the justice department to investigate incidents in which black criminals are involved?

    (by the way I think the jordanians and Egyptians are the closest we have to trustworthy partners in the Middle East, well except for Israel, but I haven't seen what I would call a big military commitment)

    WSS

  • @oldbrownsfan said:

    My guess is it might be fear for their own safety as to say a verse in the koran should not be followed might bring down a death sentence on them. For me it all comes back to the koran. The koran is what the Islamic terrorists use to justify their evil deeds and the koran is the reason those Muslims who do condemn violence are afraid to speak out against the source of the violence which are some of the teachings of the koran.

    I think it's more related to the fact that the quran is the will/word of Allah. If you denounce anything it says, then you could be viewed as denouncing Allah.

    Not too different from Christianity, though most western Christians have evolved to a point where they realize biblical stories and writings are contextual to the time period they were written - and mostly stuff that isn't supposed to be taken literally.

    Though I guess many choose to do that selectively depending on what they agree with. The normal Muslims who live in western society probably the same case.

    @bbedward said:

    I think it's more related to the fact that the quran is the will/word of Allah. If you denounce anything it says, then you could be viewed as denouncing Allah.

    Not too different from Christianity, though most western Christians have evolved to a point where they realize biblical stories and writings are contextual to the time period they were written - and mostly stuff that isn't supposed to be taken literally.

    Though I guess many choose to do that selectively depending on what they agree with. The normal Muslims who live in western society probably the same case.

    Almost all the verses of violence in the Old Testament are related to certain places and time periods. They are not open ended like the verses of the koran are. The verses in the koran that speak of killing infidels where you find them is open ended and applies as much today as when it was written.

  • @mld-woody said:

    Do you have a specific example?

    Of what particularly? The jordanians spoke somewhat authoritatively yet the only troops they've seemed to committed are guarding their border.

    Or did you mean the president who has sent the justice department to investigate incidents in which black criminals are involved?

    (by the way I think the jordanians and Egyptians are the closest we have to trustworthy partners in the Middle East, well except for Israel, but I haven't seen what I would call a big military commitment)

    WSS

    @westside-steve said:

    Of what particularly? The jordanians spoke somewhat authoritatively yet the only troops they've seemed to committed are guarding their border.

    Or did you mean the president who has sent the justice department to investigate incidents in which black criminals are involved?

    (by the way I think the jordanians and Egyptians are the closest we have to trustworthy partners in the Middle East, well except for Israel, but I haven't seen what I would call a big military commitment)

    WSS

    The latter

    I don't think your examples necessarily support the first point you made