Jonathan Paul Manziel
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Running QB. All of them are shit.VesnaKociper said:
The Browns wasted this kid. Good, or shitty, he never had the leadership required to get the most out of him. Someone might provide the right tools. THe Browns failed with this pick.
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Now we know that he can.
I can assure you... we know nothing of the sort...
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Everyone already knew that he was a young, immature playboy and a party-animal, with the endless pictures of him with bimbos in one hand and alcohol in the other, and let's not forget that priceless image of him with the rolled-up $20.
The only thing we did not know is if he could play at the NFL level.
Now we know that he can.
Consider Mike Vick. He was a weed-smoking-dog-fighting punk from the ghetto. He was the last to attend team meetings and the first to leave and presumably missed meetings and violated team rules as well, but his play of the field set all that aside.
Todd Marinovich was consumed by his drug abuse.
Dan Marino is in the Hall of Fame. (I'm his age and from Pittsburgh so I know the truth)
Some can overcome it, while other can't.
Everyone already knew that he was a young, immature playboy and a party-animal, with the endless pictures of him with bimbos in one hand and alcohol in the other, and let's not forget that priceless image of him with the rolled-up $20.
The only thing we did not know is if he could play at the NFL level.
Now we know that he can.
Consider Mike Vick. He was a weed-smoking-dog-fighting punk from the ghetto. He was the last to attend team meetings and the first to leave and presumably missed meetings and violated team rules as well, but his play of the field set all that aside.
Todd Marinovich was consumed by his drug abuse.
Dan Marino is in the Hall of Fame. (I'm his age and from Pittsburgh so I know the truth)
Some can overcome it, while other can't.
As to being able to play- maybe.
He HAS to retire the Party Animal if he wants another shot in the NFL. I mean, were you following when he basically gave the finger to Pettine, and there were a couple instances what he missed treatments because he was so wasted?
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Everyone already knew that he was a young, immature playboy and a party-animal, with the endless pictures of him with bimbos in one hand and alcohol in the other, and let's not forget that priceless image of him with the rolled-up $20.
The only thing we did not know is if he could play at the NFL level.
Now we know that he can.
Consider Mike Vick. He was a weed-smoking-dog-fighting punk from the ghetto. He was the last to attend team meetings and the first to leave and presumably missed meetings and violated team rules as well, but his play of the field set all that aside.
Todd Marinovich was consumed by his drug abuse.
Dan Marino is in the Hall of Fame. (I'm his age and from Pittsburgh so I know the truth)
Some can overcome it, while other can't.
As to being able to play- maybe.
He HAS to retire the Party Animal if he wants another shot in the NFL. I mean, were you following when he basically gave the finger to Pettine, and there were a couple instances what he missed treatments because he was so wasted?
As to being able to play- maybe.
He HAS to retire the Party Animal if he wants another shot in the NFL. I mean, were you following when he basically gave the finger to Pettine, and there were a couple instances what he missed treatments because he was so wasted?
I will defer to your expertise on those instances.
Yeh, I missed those instances.
I understand that he was rightfully under the microscope in CLE.
I respect the action to release him for his lack-of-maturity related issues both on-the-field and off.
I did not believe that he was an NFL quality starter, but his play proved me wrong.
He had some very good games on a very bad team and he is still a rookie in the sense that he has fewer than 16 starts.
TEN at CLE: The Browns had a good running game. Manziel was limited to 15 attempts and had a 133.9 passer rating in that win. That's the way to treat a rookie / young QB. Give him a good running game and limit his attempts.
CLE at PIT: The Browns had no running game and put the whole game on Manziel's shoulders.
CLE rushed for 15 yards on 14 attempts, and 11 of those 15 yards were by Manziel who passed for 372 yards for a 95.8 rating and was sacked 6 times for a loss of 45 yards via sack. That is not the way to treat a new QB.
Statistically, he is in the middle of the pack for first / second year QB's.
He can play in the NFL if he gets his head together.
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"Johnny Manziel does have interest from teams, but they seem to be waiting for @NFL disciplinary process to be concluded. That's an issue."
-- Ian Rapoport (via twitter / NFL dot com.)
Among the endless stream of recent CLE QB's, Johnny (Football / Fuckwad) or whatever name he goes by on this board impressed me as a gamer who can play at the NFL level. He certainly exhibited maturity and work ethic issues and the members here seem very hostile towards him, but I like the way he played.
As I can recall, the only two QB's who entered the NFL after their sophomore year were Johnny F. and Todd Marinovich, who also suffered from substance abuse problems and maturity issues.
"Johnny Manziel does have interest from teams, but they seem to be waiting for @NFL disciplinary process to be concluded. That's an issue."
-- Ian Rapoport (via twitter / NFL dot com.)
Among the endless stream of recent CLE QB's, Johnny (Football / Fuckwad) or whatever name he goes by on this board impressed me as a gamer who can play at the NFL level. He certainly exhibited maturity and work ethic issues and the members here seem very hostile towards him, but I like the way he played.
As I can recall, the only two QB's who entered the NFL after their sophomore year were Johnny F. and Todd Marinovich, who also suffered from substance abuse problems and maturity issues.
He hired Drew Rosenhaus, and now Rapoport trickles out something, and a Steeler fan rushes to post it on the Browns Board.
Don't care anymore.
Moratorium on starting Manziel threads
We'd like to talk Browns for awhile.
Zombo
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April Fool's......or
Maybe not?
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/news/browns-qb-josh-mccown-ex-183900266.html
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Why work when already rich and you can drink at the pool and play golf?
Might have failed at football, but he fooled the Browns and NFL into getting his meal ticket. In addition to the family money he'll likely inherit, I don't think working will ever be a thing for him.
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Saw it 3 times on Facebook and didn't even click on it. We know what day it is.
And I'd still rather have him than RG3.
WSS
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Saw it 3 times on Facebook and didn't even click on it. We know what day it is.
And I'd still rather have him than RG3.
WSS
And I'd still rather have him than RG3.
WSS
You really got me with this April Fools joke!
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Why work when already rich and you can drink at the pool and play golf?
Might have failed at football, but he fooled the Browns and NFL into getting his meal ticket. In addition to the family money he'll likely inherit, I don't think working will ever be a thing for him.
Why work when already rich and you can drink at the pool and play golf?
Because he may likely be running out of money?
He is spending like a drunken sailor that used to be a quarterback...God knows...the cost of private jets? His football money will be eaten up real quick.
And it is highly possible that his folks may have cut him off. They should have.
Really....he might need a job like that to carry on.
Might have failed at football, but he fooled the Browns and NFL into getting his meal ticket. In addition to the family money he'll likely inherit, I don't think working will ever be a thing for him.
His folks aren't that old yet.....in their 50s? And like I said...they may cut him off.
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Either way the kid is a fucking asshole. A spoiled brat, silver spoon, daddy's got money asshole who got hit once or twice int he nfl and said F it. i ain't gettin killed cuz i'm scared.
asshole.
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Two guys that will not be playing QB for the Browns this year.
I'm sure Jason Campbell still believes in Brandon Weeden and Ty Detmer still believes in Tim Couch.
Z
Ty Detmer only believes in Ty Detmer
Zombo said:
Two guys that will not be playing QB for the Browns this year.
I'm sure Jason Campbell still believes in Brandon Weeden and Ty Detmer still believes in Tim Couch.
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Either way the kid is a fucking asshole. A spoiled brat, silver spoon, daddy's got money asshole who got hit once or twice int he nfl and said F it. i ain't gettin killed cuz i'm scared.
asshole.
Either way the kid is a fucking asshole. A spoiled brat, silver spoon, daddy's got money asshole who got hit once or twice int he nfl and said F it. i ain't gettin killed cuz i'm scared.
asshole.
actually i bet johnny would be fun to drink with. but i wouldn't want him as a coworker or to work on a project with him. OR to have to rely on him for anything.....
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