Donte Whitner released
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I wish Donte all the best and he was a great guy with heart but we have plenty of options at safety. We may need more work at CB though. Ramsey may be a good pick but I am not sure I would call him BPA at number 2.
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Really reworking the roster for when they become the London Browns in 2019
We need to draft a defensive line of Beefeaters before that happens
perfect in a 3-4
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https://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2016/04/cleveland_browns_donte_whitner_4.html
It's still a fan based game so all this shit better have a positive result.
WSS
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I think Horton got around to watching film from last year.
I will always appreciate the native Clevelander coming back and trying to help us. It makes me sad that we can't ever put anything together for these guys that come back and want to play for us.
Hopefully this "down to the bones" rebuild is a successful one and the the last one for a long, long time.
Fans are all bitter or numb.
Zombo
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I think Horton got around to watching film from last year.
I will always appreciate the native Clevelander coming back and trying to help us. It makes me sad that we can't ever put anything together for these guys that come back and want to play for us.
Hopefully this "down to the bones" rebuild is a successful one and the the last one for a long, long time.
Fans are all bitter or numb.
Zombo
I hope you're right about Horton. This means he has say so instead of being a meat puppet.Zombo said:
I think Horton got around to watching film from last year.
I will always appreciate the native Clevelander coming back and trying to help us. It makes me sad that we can't ever put anything together for these guys that come back and want to play for us.
Hopefully this "down to the bones" rebuild is a successful one and the the last one for a long, long time.
Fans are all bitter or numb.
Zombo
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i don't know horton's record as a DC and there's prob a reason why. i mean you hear or speak of great defenses and ray horton doesn't come to mind.
would guess this is an analytic move and the cuts are going to be lean and mean and close to the bone. the bone being JT and haden. to most fans they are the untouchables.
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While I pretty much expected this and kind of understand the purge, without signing any FA's, the #'s are starting to trouble me......a quick count has about 8 starters and 11 regulars gone, but only 1 starter type player signed.....sooooo, how do we come up with 11 starter quality players from a single draft???....are all the second stringers(who couldnt start on a 3-13 team) suddenly gonna blossom?....or is Shashi gonna pick 11 good players in his first draft?......
and if we are cutting decent players with high salaries(whitner, dansby)......why not cut the shitty players with high salaries too?(Kruger, Mingo)??
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While I pretty much expected this and kind of understand the purge, without signing any FA's, the #'s are starting to trouble me......a quick count has about 8 starters and 11 regulars gone, but only 1 starter type player signed.....sooooo, how do we come up with 11 starter quality players from a single draft???....are all the second stringers(who couldnt start on a 3-13 team) suddenly gonna blossom?....or is Shashi gonna pick 11 good players in his first draft?......
and if we are cutting decent players with high salaries(whitner, dansby)......why not cut the shitty players with high salaries too?(Kruger, Mingo)??
While I pretty much expected this and kind of understand the purge, without signing any FA's, the #'s are starting to trouble me......a quick count has about 8 starters and 11 regulars gone, but only 1 starter type player signed.....sooooo, how do we come up with 11 starter quality players from a single draft???....are all the second stringers(who couldnt start on a 3-13 team) suddenly gonna blossom?....or is Shashi gonna pick 11 good players in his first draft?......
and if we are cutting decent players with high salaries(whitner, dansby)......why not cut the shitty players with high salaries too?(Kruger, Mingo)??
Kruger may be on the chopping block in due time. They could see Mingo as a young guy who they can turn around.
I fully expect this to be a multiple draft rebuild.
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While I pretty much expected this and kind of understand the purge, without signing any FA's, the #'s are starting to trouble me......a quick count has about 8 starters and 11 regulars gone, but only 1 starter type player signed.....sooooo, how do we come up with 11 starter quality players from a single draft???....are all the second stringers(who couldnt start on a 3-13 team) suddenly gonna blossom?....or is Shashi gonna pick 11 good players in his first draft?......
and if we are cutting decent players with high salaries(whitner, dansby)......why not cut the shitty players with high salaries too?(Kruger, Mingo)??
Kruger may be on the chopping block in due time. They could see Mingo as a young guy who they can turn around.
I fully expect this to be a multiple draft rebuild.
I fully expect this to be a multiple draft rebuild.
That's been a given... what we need to brace for is a multi-year tear-down.
Had not occurred to me before... at least not in these terms... but what we are looking at here is a distillation process. Whitner is just another roster spot better spent on a UDFA with a chance of being here in year four of the process. Same applied to Dansby.... Same will be applied to vets TBD...
In terms of roster turnover 2016 will be the most extreme year, but 2017 may not be far behind. How far behind will depend upon the initial state of our player selection process. A process that should improve with time.
So now we cram the kettle full of "talent", turn on the heat of a season and see what bubbles up. Look for something along the line of one-third "players", one-third "promise" and one-third fodder.
Rinse and repeat in 2017 and we just may have the basis for our future in place.
One last thought... winning early is the antithesis of the process...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
I fully expect this to be a multiple draft rebuild.
That's been a given... what we need to brace for is a multi-year tear-down.
Had not occurred to me before... at least not in these terms... but what we are looking at here is a distillation process. Whitner is just another roster spot better spent on a UDFA with a chance of being here in year four of the process. Same applied to Dansby.... Same will be applied to vets TBD...
In terms of roster turnover 2016 will be the most extreme year, but 2017 may not be far behind. How far behind will depend upon the initial state of our player selection process. A process that should improve with time.
So now we cram the kettle full of "talent", turn on the heat of a season and see what bubbles up. Look for something along the line of one-third "players", one-third "promise" and one-third fodder.
Rinse and repeat in 2017 and we just may have the basis for our future in place.
One last thought... winning early is the antithesis of the process...
One last thought... winning early is the antithesis of the process...
I think that will be hard for some to grasp. Keeping around older vets that could have dragged out an extra win or two would just have the team in purgatory. Middling where they can't get prime talent in the draft and still not being competitive enough to go into the playoffs.
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While I pretty much expected this and kind of understand the purge, without signing any FA's, the #'s are starting to trouble me......a quick count has about 8 starters and 11 regulars gone, but only 1 starter type player signed.....sooooo, how do we come up with 11 starter quality players from a single draft???....are all the second stringers(who couldnt start on a 3-13 team) suddenly gonna blossom?....or is Shashi gonna pick 11 good players in his first draft?......
and if we are cutting decent players with high salaries(whitner, dansby)......why not cut the shitty players with high salaries too?(Kruger, Mingo)??
While I pretty much expected this and kind of understand the purge, without signing any FA's, the #'s are starting to trouble me......a quick count has about 8 starters and 11 regulars gone, but only 1 starter type player signed.....sooooo, how do we come up with 11 starter quality players from a single draft???....are all the second stringers(who couldnt start on a 3-13 team) suddenly gonna blossom?....or is Shashi gonna pick 11 good players in his first draft?......
and if we are cutting decent players with high salaries(whitner, dansby)......why not cut the shitty players with high salaries too?(Kruger, Mingo)??
I agree that the numbers are scary, but every game a guy like Whitner starts is one that a young player who is actually part of our future does NOT have under his belt.
Personally, and I've said this before, I love that they're doing a true and total tear down and rebuild. Can't be half-in, half-out if you're going to do it the right way. And this is why those expecting a good team in 2-3 years are delusional. I have zero expectations until year 4 or 5, but I am excited about what we'll have on our hands at that time. Jimmy just needs to show the testicular fortitude to see the course all the way through.
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This is the guy that got pancaked by Peyton. Peace out.
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While I pretty much expected this and kind of understand the purge, without signing any FA's, the #'s are starting to trouble me......a quick count has about 8 starters and 11 regulars gone, but only 1 starter type player signed.....sooooo, how do we come up with 11 starter quality players from a single draft???....are all the second stringers(who couldnt start on a 3-13 team) suddenly gonna blossom?....or is Shashi gonna pick 11 good players in his first draft?......
and if we are cutting decent players with high salaries(whitner, dansby)......why not cut the shitty players with high salaries too?(Kruger, Mingo)??
Very true Mud, the FO is putting a bunch of pressure on themselves in the first year to replace 11 starters. They may have not been Pro Bowl caliber starters, but some were adequate to good. If they can turn over this roster in year 1 with better players, you can color me impressed. However, considering their background I'm very skeptical they can pull it off. The Browns may very well be worse than last year. If that's the case, how many people will want to purge the FO and coaching staff yet again?While I pretty much expected this and kind of understand the purge, without signing any FA's, the #'s are starting to trouble me......a quick count has about 8 starters and 11 regulars gone, but only 1 starter type player signed.....sooooo, how do we come up with 11 starter quality players from a single draft???....are all the second stringers(who couldnt start on a 3-13 team) suddenly gonna blossom?....or is Shashi gonna pick 11 good players in his first draft?......
and if we are cutting decent players with high salaries(whitner, dansby)......why not cut the shitty players with high salaries too?(Kruger, Mingo)??
Two things that will define you: Your determination when you have nothing. Your attitude when you have everything. - Mike McCartney -
While I pretty much expected this and kind of understand the purge, without signing any FA's, the #'s are starting to trouble me......a quick count has about 8 starters and 11 regulars gone, but only 1 starter type player signed.....sooooo, how do we come up with 11 starter quality players from a single draft???....are all the second stringers(who couldnt start on a 3-13 team) suddenly gonna blossom?....or is Shashi gonna pick 11 good players in his first draft?......
and if we are cutting decent players with high salaries(whitner, dansby)......why not cut the shitty players with high salaries too?(Kruger, Mingo)??
I agree that the numbers are scary, but every game a guy like Whitner starts is one that a young player who is actually part of our future does NOT have under his belt.
Personally, and I've said this before, I love that they're doing a true and total tear down and rebuild. Can't be half-in, half-out if you're going to do it the right way. And this is why those expecting a good team in 2-3 years are delusional. I have zero expectations until year 4 or 5, but I am excited about what we'll have on our hands at that time. Jimmy just needs to show the testicular fortitude to see the course all the way through.
I agree that the numbers are scary, but every game a guy like Whitner starts is one that a young player who is actually part of our future does NOT have under his belt.
Personally, and I've said this before, I love that they're doing a true and total tear down and rebuild. Can't be half-in, half-out if you're going to do it the right way. And this is why those expecting a good team in 2-3 years are delusional. I have zero expectations until year 4 or 5, but I am excited about what we'll have on our hands at that time. Jimmy just needs to show the testicular fortitude to see the course all the way through.
^ Totally agree
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Very true Mud, the FO is putting a bunch of pressure on themselves in the first year to replace 11 starters. They may have not been Pro Bowl caliber starters, but some were adequate to good. If they can turn over this roster in year 1 with better players, you can color me impressed. However, considering their background I'm very skeptical they can pull it off. The Browns may very well be worse than last year. If that's the case, how many people will want to purge the FO and coaching staff yet again?While I pretty much expected this and kind of understand the purge, without signing any FA's, the #'s are starting to trouble me......a quick count has about 8 starters and 11 regulars gone, but only 1 starter type player signed.....sooooo, how do we come up with 11 starter quality players from a single draft???....are all the second stringers(who couldnt start on a 3-13 team) suddenly gonna blossom?....or is Shashi gonna pick 11 good players in his first draft?......
and if we are cutting decent players with high salaries(whitner, dansby)......why not cut the shitty players with high salaries too?(Kruger, Mingo)??
The Browns may very well be worse than last year. If that's the case, how many people will want to purge the FO and coaching staff yet again?
exactly. hope the fans that are applauding realize they won't be liking anything they see on sundays for quite some time. and if that's the case will people still show up to the stadium and buy season tickets? will the crowd in the stadium not boo and start throwing dog bones or beers (!?!) and not call for jackson and co's heads year two?
the money thing with haslam is what i worry about. as war pointed out, he's got to have the balls to give these guys the 5 years. hasn't happened yet.
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The Browns may very well be worse than last year. If that's the case, how many people will want to purge the FO and coaching staff yet again?
exactly. hope the fans that are applauding realize they won't be liking anything they see on sundays for quite some time. and if that's the case will people still show up to the stadium and buy season tickets? will the crowd in the stadium not boo and start throwing dog bones or beers (!?!) and not call for jackson and co's heads year two?
the money thing with haslam is what i worry about. as war pointed out, he's got to have the balls to give these guys the 5 years. hasn't happened yet.
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I bet this year will be a mirror image of last year. Last year some of the fans had high expectations, but way overestimated the talent on the team and were surprised by just how bad the team was.
This year some of us think we're going to be Godawful because of the lack of talent on the team, and it wouldn't surprise me one bit if the Browns overachieved and chased an 8-8 season.
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I just keep wondering about the timing, also. They could have released Witner for
catching on with another team during the beginning of fa.
... probably? trying to make a trade for him - but they already showed they are letting
veterans go, so they finally just released him.
Good luck to him
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