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  • Mike HM Mike H

    I asked a follow-up to the author (Dan Shonka, owner of Ourlads scouting)

    Is there a separate drill designed to test velocity, or are speeds taken during different drills?

    Mar 2
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    Mike, The QBs throw out cuts to their right and then to the left. The radar gun records their peak speed in both directions. The ball is thrown to a standing receiver

    I asked the question because I wanted to know if they were throwing at a moving target, or if they were able to wind-up and uncork it. This drill is intended for players to get maximum velocity/torque...

    Cook has a noodle arm, like I thought after watching all his tape. Hard pass for me

    @mike-h said:

    I asked a follow-up to the author (Dan Shonka, owner of Ourlads scouting)

    Is there a separate drill designed to test velocity, or are speeds taken during different drills?

    Mike, The QBs throw out cuts to their right and then to the left. The radar gun records their peak speed in both directions. The ball is thrown to a standing receiver

    I asked the question because I wanted to know if they were throwing at a moving target, or if they were able to wind-up and uncork it. This drill is intended for players to get maximum velocity/torque...

    Cook has a noodle arm, like I thought after watching all his tape. Hard pass for me

    Verrrryyyy interesting Mike. Shows just because you can throw rockets doesn't guarantee NFL success. Fer sure, looks like you had better be in the mid 50s+ though.

    Regarding Cook- weak arm + I forgot he skipped the Senior Bowl + was never voted a team Captain- steer clear MHO.

  • FWIW, Cook hurt his throwing shoulder in November 2015 and may not have been fully healed by the time the combine measurement was taken. I still didn't see a "live" arm before the injury.

  • Dang. A football at 60 MPH? I never would've thought those things are flying that fast.

    Tour2maT 1 Reply

  • Brandon Weeden, Oklahoma State 59

    Just goes to show that velocity and accuracy and competency are far different matters.

    Mike HM 1 Reply

  • Camp Douchebag

    Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody!
  • The GipperT The Gipper

    Brandon Weeden, Oklahoma State 59

    Just goes to show that velocity and accuracy and competency are far different matters.

    @the-gipper said:

    Brandon Weeden, Oklahoma State 59

    Just goes to show that velocity and accuracy and competency are far different matters.

    Right. It's only one measurement. Being able to only throw a ball hard would make a good pitcher, but the mental and mechanical side of things is just as important for QB. Still, there seems to be a threshold of ability needed to be successful. Mid-50 MPH arm strength is a good benchmark
  • Mike HM Mike H

    @the-gipper said:

    Brandon Weeden, Oklahoma State 59

    Just goes to show that velocity and accuracy and competency are far different matters.

    Right. It's only one measurement. Being able to only throw a ball hard would make a good pitcher, but the mental and mechanical side of things is just as important for QB. Still, there seems to be a threshold of ability needed to be successful. Mid-50 MPH arm strength is a good benchmark

    @mike-h said:

    Right. It's only one measurement. Being able to only throw a ball hard would make a good pitcher, but the mental and mechanical side of things is just as important for QB. Still, there seems to be a threshold of ability needed to be successful. Mid-50 MPH arm strength is a good benchmark

    I wonder how fast Dan Marino and John Elway threw it.

  • W wargograw

    Dang. A football at 60 MPH? I never would've thought those things are flying that fast.

    Couple names that surprised me to the low side...
    Bryce Petty, Baylor 53
    Joe Flacco, Delaware 55

    This one surprised me high...
    Kirk Cousins, Michigan State 59


    @wargograw said:

    Dang. A football at 60 MPH? I never would've thought those things are flying that fast.


    Seems like I remember Favre registering something like 63... mentioned in some random MNF conversation along with a conversion to throwing a baseball.

    @mike-h said:

    Right. It's only one measurement. Being able to only throw a ball hard would make a good pitcher...


    It didn't in Wheezy's case... 😉

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  • Tour2maT Tour2ma

    Couple names that surprised me to the low side...
    Bryce Petty, Baylor 53
    Joe Flacco, Delaware 55

    This one surprised me high...
    Kirk Cousins, Michigan State 59


    @wargograw said:

    Dang. A football at 60 MPH? I never would've thought those things are flying that fast.


    Seems like I remember Favre registering something like 63... mentioned in some random MNF conversation along with a conversion to throwing a baseball.

    @mike-h said:

    Right. It's only one measurement. Being able to only throw a ball hard would make a good pitcher...


    It didn't in Wheezy's case... 😉

    @tour2ma said:

    Seems like I remember Favre registering something like 63... mentioned in some random MNF conversation along with a conversion to throwing a baseball.

    It didn't in Wheezy's case... 😉

    I would love to know what Duante Culpepper clocked on the velocity meter. Back in 1999 our resident UCF Alum\ Pumper swore he saw Duante throw a ball 90 yards in the air during practice. For that matter, me being the resident Couch pumper- it was reported Tim could toss a ball through the goalposts from the 50 yard line- on his knees.

  • Remember when he broke those clay pigeons though?

    Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody!

  • So anyway today Tony Grossi was prattling on about the Browns getting closer and closer to trading that number two pick.

    The idea being you get more pics and maybe one of the middle of the pack quarterbacks would be good enough thanks to the possible Resurrection of RG3.

    WSS

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    The GipperT gumby73G hoortaH 3 Replies
  • W Westside Steve

    So anyway today Tony Grossi was prattling on about the Browns getting closer and closer to trading that number two pick.

    The idea being you get more pics and maybe one of the middle of the pack quarterbacks would be good enough thanks to the possible Resurrection of RG3.

    WSS

    @westside-steve said:

    So anyway today Tony Grossi was prattling on about the Browns getting closer and closer to trading that number two pick.

    The idea being you get more pics and maybe one of the middle of the pack quarterbacks would be good enough thanks to the possible Resurrection of RG3.

    WSS

    And that may be a viable plan.

  • The GipperT The Gipper

    @westside-steve said:

    So anyway today Tony Grossi was prattling on about the Browns getting closer and closer to trading that number two pick.

    The idea being you get more pics and maybe one of the middle of the pack quarterbacks would be good enough thanks to the possible Resurrection of RG3.

    WSS

    And that may be a viable plan.

    @the-gipper said:

    And that may be a viable plan.

    Depending on how good the third fourth or fifth best quarterback turns out to be. I wouldn't mind seeing Connor Cook succeed because he's in Ohio guy, same thing with Cardale Jones, but like my page I don't have a good feeling.

    Besides Gipper Grossi wasn't talking about taking Bosa.

    WSS

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    The GipperT 1 Reply
  • W Westside Steve

    So anyway today Tony Grossi was prattling on about the Browns getting closer and closer to trading that number two pick.

    The idea being you get more pics and maybe one of the middle of the pack quarterbacks would be good enough thanks to the possible Resurrection of RG3.

    WSS

    @westside-steve said:

    So anyway today Tony Grossi was prattling on about the Browns getting closer and closer to trading that number two pick.

    The idea being you get more pics and maybe one of the middle of the pack quarterbacks would be good enough thanks to the possible Resurrection of RG3.

    WSS

    Grossi flips more than a fish on land. Stick to the best option for your future. Their is no substitute for the Goff/Wentz Plan. We have 9 more picks. Haslem should not force Hue on any 2nd hand QB decisions just for a couple wins. Bite your own bullet you built Jimmy..

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    W The GipperT 2 Replies

  • I have a gut feeling that trading back is going to be the Brown's first option.

  • At least drop a few spots and if one of the QBs is there, consider yourself lucky. Decent chance they will be.

  • gumby73G gumby73

    @westside-steve said:

    So anyway today Tony Grossi was prattling on about the Browns getting closer and closer to trading that number two pick.

    The idea being you get more pics and maybe one of the middle of the pack quarterbacks would be good enough thanks to the possible Resurrection of RG3.

    WSS

    Grossi flips more than a fish on land. Stick to the best option for your future. Their is no substitute for the Goff/Wentz Plan. We have 9 more picks. Haslem should not force Hue on any 2nd hand QB decisions just for a couple wins. Bite your own bullet you built Jimmy..

    @gumby73 said:

    Grossi flips more than a fish on land. Stick to the best option for your future. Their is no substitute for the Goff/Wentz Plan. We have 9 more picks. Haslem should not force Hue on any 2nd hand QB decisions just for a couple wins. Bite your own bullet you built Jimmy..

    I don't think he's giving his opinion he's telling what he thinks the Browns are leaning toward week after week. He thinks that's changed with the acquisition of Robert Griffin the Turd.

    WSS

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  • W Westside Steve

    So anyway today Tony Grossi was prattling on about the Browns getting closer and closer to trading that number two pick.

    The idea being you get more pics and maybe one of the middle of the pack quarterbacks would be good enough thanks to the possible Resurrection of RG3.

    WSS

    @westside-steve said:

    So anyway today Tony Grossi was prattling on about the Browns getting closer and closer to trading that number two pick.

    The idea being you get more pics and maybe one of the middle of the pack quarterbacks would be good enough thanks to the possible Resurrection of RG3.

    WSS

    More predraft hot air- I doubt Grossi has any inside sources.

    @wargograw said:

    At least drop a few spots and if one of the QBs is there, consider yourself lucky. Decent chance they will be.

    Our "luck" is having the #2 pick. Goff or Wentz WILL be there for the Browns. If Hue considers them franchise quarterback worthy- we're taking one of them. I'm getting damn tired of trusting to "luck". The last time we traded down, we bypassed Kalil Mack. Time before that, we bypassed Julio Jones.

    The GipperT Tour2maT 2 Replies
  • W Westside Steve

    @the-gipper said:

    And that may be a viable plan.

    Depending on how good the third fourth or fifth best quarterback turns out to be. I wouldn't mind seeing Connor Cook succeed because he's in Ohio guy, same thing with Cardale Jones, but like my page I don't have a good feeling.

    Besides Gipper Grossi wasn't talking about taking Bosa.

    WSS

    @westside-steve said:

    Depending on how good the third fourth or fifth best quarterback turns out to be. I wouldn't mind seeing Connor Cook succeed because he's in Ohio guy, same thing with Cardale Jones, but like my page I don't have a good feeling.

    Besides Gipper Grossi wasn't talking about taking Bosa.

    WSS

    Clearly not if a trade down occurs.

  • gumby73G gumby73

    @westside-steve said:

    So anyway today Tony Grossi was prattling on about the Browns getting closer and closer to trading that number two pick.

    The idea being you get more pics and maybe one of the middle of the pack quarterbacks would be good enough thanks to the possible Resurrection of RG3.

    WSS

    Grossi flips more than a fish on land. Stick to the best option for your future. Their is no substitute for the Goff/Wentz Plan. We have 9 more picks. Haslem should not force Hue on any 2nd hand QB decisions just for a couple wins. Bite your own bullet you built Jimmy..

    @gumby73 said:

    Grossi flips more than a fish on land. Stick to the best option for your future. Their is no substitute for the Goff/Wentz Plan. We have 9 more picks. Haslem should not force Hue on any 2nd hand QB decisions just for a couple wins. Bite your own bullet you built Jimmy..

    Some think that the Goff/Wentz plan IS a 2d hand QB decision.

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