The Jets want to trade..... for McCown?!?
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Also, Tour, how many receivers, lineman tight ends et cetra do we carry? Which of those positions are more important than a competent quarterback? How often does a Browns quarterback play 16 games as opposed to an offensive lineman who has probably at least a couple backups?
WSS
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Did the DATs already cut Weeden?
OK, I see that they did. See this list for QBs still out there, including Weeden:
http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/freeagency/?year=2016&position=8&type=-1
One name missing though that should be on there: JFF.
They didn't give out any "F" grades Gip.
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Assumedly our old staff is out of a job and Jackson no longer works for Marv Lewis for a reason.I understand... the problem is he brings very little value to our 2016 roster.
Remember the trend has been to carry only 2 QBs on the active roster. Was true here and in Cinci the past couple years... I think...
Change.
And there are plenty of guys at the bottom of the 53 that bring nothing to the table.
And unless RG3 is now more resilient a capable vet will be useful.
WSS
Assumedly our old staff is out of a job and Jackson no longer works for Marv Lewis for a reason.
Change.
And there are plenty of guys at the bottom of the 53 that bring nothing to the table. And unless RG3 is now more resilient a capable vet will be useful.
Also, Tour, how many receivers, lineman tight ends et cetra do we carry? Which of those positions are more important than a competent quarterback? How often does a Browns quarterback play 16 games as opposed to an offensive lineman who has probably at least a couple backups?
I just see RG as the new "capable vet". Pair him with the QB I still see us taking at #2 and there are our two QBs for the 53. It is how I see a rebuilding team going. Could there be a 3rd QB? Sure...
If we were in playoff contention, then a second vet as an insurance policy would make sense to me... but we are not in that position. Thus the #2 overall...
Part of our rebuild effort has to be mining for position players. Prior to this year I'd put most positions ahead of OL. Now? At minimum the gap has closed.
It does look like Hue carried three QBs in his year at Oakland... Palmer, Campbell and Boller.
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Assumedly our old staff is out of a job and Jackson no longer works for Marv Lewis for a reason.
Change.
And there are plenty of guys at the bottom of the 53 that bring nothing to the table. And unless RG3 is now more resilient a capable vet will be useful.
Also, Tour, how many receivers, lineman tight ends et cetra do we carry? Which of those positions are more important than a competent quarterback? How often does a Browns quarterback play 16 games as opposed to an offensive lineman who has probably at least a couple backups?
I just see RG as the new "capable vet". Pair him with the QB I still see us taking at #2 and there are our two QBs for the 53. It is how I see a rebuilding team going. Could there be a 3rd QB? Sure...
If we were in playoff contention, then a second vet as an insurance policy would make sense to me... but we are not in that position. Thus the #2 overall...
Part of our rebuild effort has to be mining for position players. Prior to this year I'd put most positions ahead of OL. Now? At minimum the gap has closed.
It does look like Hue carried three QBs in his year at Oakland... Palmer, Campbell and Boller.
I just see RG as the new "capable vet". Pair him with the QB I still see us taking at #2 and there are our two QBs for the 53. It is how I see a rebuilding team going. Could there be a 3rd QB? Sure...
If we were in playoff contention, then a second vet as an insurance policy would make sense to me... but we are not in that position. Thus the #2 overall...
Part of our rebuild effort has to be mining for position players. Prior to this year I'd put most positions ahead of OL. Now? At minimum the gap has closed.
It does look like Hue carried three QBs in his year at Oakland... Palmer, Campbell and Boller.
Looks like 3 capable veterans to me.
I'm not predicting what Jackson will do but that sounds better than veteran reclamation project, rookie and bum.
Or simply reclamation project and rookie.
Anyway when the time comes we are down to our third quarterback it probably won't matter very much.
WSS
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I predict Griffin starts 15 games.
Wentz starts the last one, after we have already clinched everything we can clinch. And he looks awesome.
Zombo
--Jacqueline Brissett never gets off the practice squad.
Zombo said:
I predict Griffin starts 15 games.
Wentz starts the last one, after we have already clinched everything we can clinch. And he looks awesome.
Zombo
--Jacqueline Brissett never gets off the practice squad.
Or is that the practice couch
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I also think mccown would be a better mentor - just because of how old and experienced he is vs RG3.
I have a hard time seeing the #1 QB prospect, RG3, and McCown on the same roster. I'd have to think RG3 is looking for a situation where he'd eventually have a chance to be the guy.
the #1 QB prospect, RG3, and McCown on the same roster.
^^^ dream situation for me.
I'd have to think RG3 is looking for a situation where he'd eventually have a chance to be the guy.sounds typical, but if RG3's ego is in check regarding being a backup he may not see the situation as you see it at all.
i question his heart, but i also don't know him. he never wanted to be in Cle before. he still makes over a Mil per year to ride the pine, doesn't sound too bad. but yeah hitting those contract incentives and triggering those escalators would be nice, but does he really want to be a pinata on a 3-13 team that's obviously rebuilding? maybe, maybe not.
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He hasn't but no one seems to be pressing to have RG3 mentor a young QB. The argument is that McCown can coach a young kid into being a good QB when he himself has never been one.
Hue has never been one...just saying.
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He hasn't but no one seems to be pressing to have RG3 mentor a young QB. The argument is that McCown can coach a young kid into being a good QB when he himself has never been one.
Hue has never been one...just saying.
Hue has never been one...just saying.
However, he has experience coaching up talent. McCown couldn't figure out how to get himself out of mediocrity.
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and RG3 has done more?
GTFO.
Actually yes. He has done more. Rookie of the year and for the most part better numbers. I'm not a fan of rg3 but it makes sense to bring him in. Even if it is for one season. Yes he's injury prone. But so is McCown. He sat out how many games last year? We don't pick up rg3 to mentor. Why is a career backup mentoring a rookie such a great idea to you? Serious question.
Actually yes. He has done more. Rookie of the year and for the most part better numbers. I'm not a fan of rg3 but it makes sense to bring him in. Even if it is for one season. Yes he's injury prone. But so is McCown. He sat out how many games last year? We don't pick up rg3 to mentor. Why is a career backup mentoring a rookie such a great idea to you? Serious question.
i think it's more about durability. since returning to the league in '99, the Browns are something like 1/16 at making it through a season with 3 QBs or less...with a pretty decent O-line that has had multiple pro bowlers on it, Lecharles Bentley not included.
do you follow the Browns closely? nearly 30 QBs in two decades is worth rolling the dice on an unproven RG3 healthwise, Shaw/Davis and a rookie?
let me remind you the Browns are a Billion dollar franchise. not a swimming pool concession stand or a shift at a Lowes Home Improvement. a billion dollars. now imagine running a billion dollar company with millions of fans, employees with families, in a league where success directly translates to fame and huge financial reward. the QB is the most important position in American football.
not doing everything is literally irresponsible. you can be a big risk taker on an X Box, preferably not on a team currently on a 50 year championship drought.
for me, as a Browns fan when i hear you say the above it makes me imagine NASA going into space a man short with another having a cold.
except this shit is real, and NASA isn't in space and is irrelevant to this discussion.
billion dollar company...heading into the safari with no spare tire, even though you have a full size one on a rim already mounted on the truck, and you want to unbolt it and leave it behind to make room for more cannonfodder...no thank you.
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What we already know is that the front office doesn't care about Josh McCown.
I believe he can be a solid player in the right situation but moreover a great mentor given his many years of experience in different situations in the National Football League.
I don't see Colin Kaepernick or RG3 as a mentor to anyone given their short period of success and subsequent role as team cancer and failure. (the reason I hate Terrelle Pryor less than those two is the fact that he was an Ohio State Buckeye albeit a bust)
And again don't be surprised if there will be no first round quarterback to mentor.
Hoorta might talk about Jay Gruden but I don't see any effort on his part to grab RG3.
WSS
What we already know is that the front office doesn't care about Josh McCown.
WSS
how do we know this, and to what extent do they really not care? obviously they won't lose the fanbase if Josh left and had success elsewhere, but i believe they don't see absolutely zero value in him either. i hope he sticks. with Goff/Wentz it would be the best ive felt about the Brown's QB room...ever.
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Mccown makes a good back up and he is paid like one; so, unless the Jets are dumb enough to give us something better than a back-up QB, I think we should keep McCown.
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Actually yes. He has done more. Rookie of the year and for the most part better numbers. I'm not a fan of rg3 but it makes sense to bring him in. Even if it is for one season. Yes he's injury prone. But so is McCown. He sat out how many games last year? We don't pick up rg3 to mentor. Why is a career backup mentoring a rookie such a great idea to you? Serious question.
i think it's more about durability. since returning to the league in '99, the Browns are something like 1/16 at making it through a season with 3 QBs or less...with a pretty decent O-line that has had multiple pro bowlers on it, Lecharles Bentley not included.
do you follow the Browns closely? nearly 30 QBs in two decades is worth rolling the dice on an unproven RG3 healthwise, Shaw/Davis and a rookie?
let me remind you the Browns are a Billion dollar franchise. not a swimming pool concession stand or a shift at a Lowes Home Improvement. a billion dollars. now imagine running a billion dollar company with millions of fans, employees with families, in a league where success directly translates to fame and huge financial reward. the QB is the most important position in American football.
not doing everything is literally irresponsible. you can be a big risk taker on an X Box, preferably not on a team currently on a 50 year championship drought.
for me, as a Browns fan when i hear you say the above it makes me imagine NASA going into space a man short with another having a cold.
except this shit is real, and NASA isn't in space and is irrelevant to this discussion.
billion dollar company...heading into the safari with no spare tire, even though you have a full size one on a rim already mounted on the truck, and you want to unbolt it and leave it behind to make room for more cannonfodder...no thank you.
for me, as a Browns fan when i hear you say the above it makes me imagine NASA going into space a man short with another having a cold.
except this shit is real, and NASA isn't in space and is irrelevant to this discussion.
Jack Del Rio
"Simplify, We are building a football team here. Not a complicated space craft to land on Mars" Hello Sashi
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Mccown could teach a young qb tons of stuff, and set an outstanding
example. And, I'd want him to stay on board with the Browns as an
assistant qb coach.
RGIII, I'd be happy if we don't sign him. He isn't a mentor, apparently not
a leader in the locker room,
What's strange, is that the Jets talked to RGIII, and did NOT sign him.
And.......they want Mccown. Perhaps the Jets are better at analytics?
One thing McCown can teach a younger player is how to be a pro. I have heard this from innumerable people from all sports. Yes, it is the coaches job to coach....but nearly all young talent needs their Crash Davis.
....but nearly all young talent needs their Crash Davis.
why would young talent need an over the hill vet fucking their girlfriend?
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Whatever talent and ability McCown had he gave it all up for the Browns when he was here. If there was any player that "played like a Brown" he would be top on my list. If he doesn't remain with Cleveland I wish him the best wherever he goes.
Whatever talent and ability McCown had he gave it all up for the Browns when he was here. If there was any player that "played like a Brown" he would be top on my list. If he doesn't remain with Cleveland I wish him the best wherever he goes.
truth spoken.
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Hue has never been one...just saying.
However, he has experience coaching up talent. McCown couldn't figure out how to get himself out of mediocrity.
Oh I think he knows perfectly well how to do it, he just hasn't been able to convince a better team to pick him up.However, he has experience coaching up talent. McCown couldn't figure out how to get himself out of mediocrity.
No reason he wouldn't be successful on a good team, maybe Denver.
WSS
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VesnaKociper said:
WHy the fuck would you want a loser, a guy who has never won a fucking thing polluting your rookie QB?
Ah, I get it, so he could pick up the habits of a fucking loser and HIMSELF become one.
no thanks. positive attitude, maturity, respect, punctuality, intelligence, talent, wisdom, focus, poise, toughness, desire/will/drive/ambition/determination, tenacity, great presence and heart are not words i use to describe losers.
huge difference between the words "can't" and "haven't".
here, one is an impossibility. the other simply has seldom occurred.
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Hue has never been one...just saying.
However, he has experience coaching up talent. McCown couldn't figure out how to get himself out of mediocrity.
However, he has experience coaching up talent. McCown couldn't figure out how to get himself out of mediocrity.
fair, but i believe it was more timing, his surroundings, his particular situation,rather than lack of talent or ability as the culprits. i can't think of a better 3rd QB for the Browns as insurance down the stretch. i think i like him even better than a Hoyer backup. he and Tom Brady would make for an interesting QB room.
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Oh I think he knows perfectly well how to do it, he just hasn't been able to convince a better team to pick him up.However, he has experience coaching up talent. McCown couldn't figure out how to get himself out of mediocrity.
No reason he wouldn't be successful on a good team, maybe Denver.
WSS
Oh I think he knows perfectly well how to do it, he just hasn't been able to convince a better team to pick him up.
No reason he wouldn't be successful on a good team, maybe Denver.
WSS
how funny if Josh ends up following JFF to Denver.
if it happened at least it's not moving to somewhere crazy bitter cold and dying, Denver is growing, clean, progressive, sunny -- off the field it's a definite positive. on the field they are returning SB Champs, there's definitely worse places to be.
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I would be pleased to see them both get to the Superbowl but lose, of course, to the Cleveland Browns.
WSS
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