Rams trade to number 1
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I just wonder if this trade was not for one of the QB's. It blows my mind the Rams would come out their pockets like this for one of those two kids. Just doesn't make sense.
Again, more of a publicity stunt to get the #1 overall pick to churn excitement for their return to LA than a committed desire to actually draft one of these guys.
Again, more of a publicity stunt to get the #1 overall pick to churn excitement for their return to LA than a committed desire to actually draft one of these guys.
I've been meditating Gip. If the Browns had been sitting at #1, and this trade was offered to them- I take it in a New York minute. We get Ghoolie's fave Lynch, have three second round picks this year, plus an extra first and third in 2017.
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Again, more of a publicity stunt to get the #1 overall pick to churn excitement for their return to LA than a committed desire to actually draft one of these guys.
I've been meditating Gip. If the Browns had been sitting at #1, and this trade was offered to them- I take it in a New York minute. We get Ghoolie's fave Lynch, have three second round picks this year, plus an extra first and third in 2017.
I've been meditating Gip. If the Browns had been sitting at #1, and this trade was offered to them- I take it in a New York minute. We get Ghoolie's fave Lynch, have three second round picks this year, plus an extra first and third in 2017.
"All of those draft picks don't mean anything".- Ray Farmer
Two things that will define you: Your determination when you have nothing. Your attitude when you have everything. - Mike McCartney -
Again, more of a publicity stunt to get the #1 overall pick to churn excitement for their return to LA than a committed desire to actually draft one of these guys.
I've been meditating Gip. If the Browns had been sitting at #1, and this trade was offered to them- I take it in a New York minute. We get Ghoolie's fave Lynch, have three second round picks this year, plus an extra first and third in 2017.
I've been meditating Gip. If the Browns had been sitting at #1, and this trade was offered to them- I take it in a New York minute. We get Ghoolie's fave Lynch, have three second round picks this year, plus an extra first and third in 2017.
meditating
. The only time that little Aggie Ass threw 2 bombs to Benji that were even close were the 2 that beat Titians.. Happy Meditating 
. It should have been us & where are those 2 now.. Yep, It's Browns Football.. Browns & Buffett: Got to go fishin, Down to rock bottom again, with just a few Friends Team Brotherhood-"It's not about You,Me or I. It's about building We"..Hue Jackson -
Tour has a heart attack.
lol.... Not likely, but I'll keep an aspirin handy just in case...
This draft got supercharged today...
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VesnaKociper said:
RG3 will be a cripple and out of football by week 10. Don't be ridiculous.
which is why the Browns should stay at 2 and take Tunsil. "IF" someone wants to come out of their pockets for JT than we have the best OT prospect since JT as his immediate replacement. If not, JT plays out his contract and we have two of the best tackles in football protecting RG and maybe we can get some run game going off the right side.
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I've been meditating Gip. If the Browns had been sitting at #1, and this trade was offered to them- I take it in a New York minute. We get Ghoolie's fave Lynch, have three second round picks this year, plus an extra first and third in 2017.
meditating
. The only time that little Aggie Ass threw 2 bombs to Benji that were even close were the 2 that beat Titians.. Happy Meditating . It should have been us & where are those 2 now.. Yep, It's Browns Football.. meditating
. The only time that little Aggie Ass threw 2 bombs to Benji that were even close were the 2 that beat Titians.. Happy Meditating . It should have been us & where are those 2 now.. Yep, It's Browns Football.. The wife doesn't believe me the Browns screwed themselves winning the Titans game. Except for strength of schedule, we would be sitting on 6 bonus picks right now.
VesnaKociper said:
WTF? Dude, was your umbilical cord wrapped around your neck and not removed until graduation? What in the name of God kind of blockbuster deal do you see as possible? The Titans are the Kevin Costner of this Draft Day.
The questions to ask IF you want to shake it up are..................... WHO WANTS WENTZ? WOULD ANYONE CONSIDER JOE THOMAS?
Maybe #2 to #4 Dallas gets Wentz, we pray Bosa is there at 4? Then Trade Joe Thomas and #33 for 2 #2s this year, a number 3 next year, and David Goddamned Putney. We want Putney.
Sorry man, the Browns are going to get horse shit again. You can already hear DePodesta's calculator getting ready to blow.
Correct- the Rams moving up to #1 does sort of screw the Browns. But on the good side- if a team has the hots for a quarterback the Rams don't take- the dumb ass Rams just set the market for the #2 pick.
So Cleveland could trade down- and still take your fave Lynch. And trust me- he's not going in the top 5.
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VesnaKociper said:
Memphis is the murder capital of the world. Disciplined players are a figment. This kid shredded Ole Miss,
Great point Ghoolie! Ole Miss was a signature win even Alabama couldn't accomplish. You've had some good posts about Lynch. I don't think some people GET the challenges Lynch was up against there in terms of how that school/tradition compares to others as a recruiting attraction. It's a big reason Memphis State just lost the football coach behind the success of the last 2 years for an easier school to recruit prospects for.
The only thing I'll caution you on here is your point that Goff holds onto the ball too long. Everything I've read/heard/seen indicates just the opposite. It might even be THE reason he gets drafted ahead of Wentz should that unfold IMO.
Anyway, someone recently praised Goff for steady improvement and rightfully so if we look at some important numbers:
2013 1 Win 11 Losses 3508 yds 6.6 ypa 60.3 pct 18 TDs 10 INTs
2014 5 Wins 7 Losses 3973 yds 7.8 ypa 62.1 pct 35 TDs 7 INTs
2015 8 Wins 5 Losses 4719 yds 8.9 yds 64.5 pct 43 TDs 13 INTs
That said, this is what Lynch accomplished on the gridiron in between all the un-civil wars on Memphis gang turf:
2013 3 Wins 9 Losses 2056 yds 5.9 ypa 58.2 pct 9 TDs 10 INTs
2014 10 Wins 3 Losses 3031 yds 7.3 ypa 62.7 pct 22 TDs 9 INTs
2015 9 Wins 4 Losses 3776 yds 8.5 ypa 66.8 pct 28 TDs 4 INTs
I know a lot of people have praised Goff for what he's done up against what he's been surrounded with. That's fine but it isn't like Memphis has been attracting much help around QB. The only offensive player I can think of that has gone on to enjoy a long career after Memphis State was DeAngelo Williams. Cal had more guys just on the Cleveland Browns with Pro Bowl Center Alex Mack and PFF's favorite Right Tackle Mitch Schwartz. There's other former Cal players that have experienced NFL success in recent years like Aaron Rodgers, Marshawn Lynch, Keenan Allen and Justin Forsett just off the top of my head.
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This is basically the best case scenario, and worst case scenario at the same time. If there is a QB that we had targeted, there is a good chance that we don't get him now. While on the other hand, many people I've heard discussing analytics have stated that acquiring picks is the way to go.
I think there's NO WAY we stay at number two. In fact, I don't see HOW we can. Just look at the number of impactful free agents we lost, AND the veterans that we've cut! And I'm not talking about veterans just taking up space, I'm talking about STARTERS. How in the hell do you replace that kind of loss? Well, you don't in one year, but you start by getting as many picks as possible. You DON'T stay at number two, no matter what.
We aren't going to be good this year (news flash!), and we're probably not going to be good next year. We need picks, and we need them to be GOOD picks. We're going to trade with the Eagles, and I think it's probably about a done deal.
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This is basically the best case scenario, and worst case scenario at the same time. If there is a QB that we had targeted, there is a good chance that we don't get him now. While on the other hand, many people I've heard discussing analytics have stated that acquiring picks is the way to go.
I think there's NO WAY we stay at number two. In fact, I don't see HOW we can. Just look at the number of impactful free agents we lost, AND the veterans that we've cut! And I'm not talking about veterans just taking up space, I'm talking about STARTERS. How in the hell do you replace that kind of loss? Well, you don't in one year, but you start by getting as many picks as possible. You DON'T stay at number two, no matter what.
We aren't going to be good this year (news flash!), and we're probably not going to be good next year. We need picks, and we need them to be GOOD picks. We're going to trade with the Eagles, and I think it's probably about a done deal.
If there is a QB that we had targeted, there is a good chance that we don't get him now.
Actually if we have a QB in mind for #2, there's a 50/50 shot of him being there and he'd be the only reason to stay at #2...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
I've been meditating Gip. If the Browns had been sitting at #1, and this trade was offered to them- I take it in a New York minute. We get Ghoolie's fave Lynch, have three second round picks this year, plus an extra first and third in 2017.
"All of those draft picks don't mean anything".- Ray Farmer
"All of those draft picks don't mean anything".- Ray Farmer
Farmer could blow them with the best of them? Although...to be fair, the jury is still out on Shelton and Erving.
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I've said it before and I'll say it again. There are 7-8 top players in this draft. We can trade down to that range and still get a blue chipper.
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VesnaKociper said:
RG3 will be a cripple and out of football by week 10. Don't be ridiculous.
Maybe....but are Kaepernick or Bradford any better really?
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If the Eagles do trade to 2 what picks should we expect in return ....is moving from 8 to 2 worth much ?
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If the Eagles do trade to 2 what picks should we expect in return ....is moving from 8 to 2 worth much ?
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If the Eagles do trade to 2 what picks should we expect in return ....is moving from 8 to 2 worth much ?
If the Eagles do trade to 2 what picks should we expect in return ....is moving from 8 to 2 worth much ?
#8
2017 1st rounder
Fletcher Cox
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If the Eagles do trade to 2 what picks should we expect in return ....is moving from 8 to 2 worth much ?
If the Eagles do trade to 2 what picks should we expect in return ....is moving from 8 to 2 worth much ?
I'm honestly not crazy about this, but a way to look at this strictly from pick compensation is the draft value chart: http://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-Value-Chart.asp
From 8-2 is a difference of 1200 "points". The thing is they don't have another pick until round 3, pick 77 which is 2015 "points" and pick 79 which is 195. With that in mind it would certainly either take their 2017 first round pick or a player like Cox as noted above. Idk, with what is on the table I don't like trading that far down writing this all out.
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#8
2017 1st rounder
Fletcher Cox
Knowing us we would take Donovan McNabb
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#8
2017 1st rounder
Fletcher Cox
Knowing us we would take Donovan McNabb
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