Not so fast with Eagles at two? Sashi's press conference, too
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It was nice to finally hear people say "wow" the Browns actaully did something good. I hope Philly takes someone like Tunsil, and right then and there Mel Kipers head explodes, along with all of thier fans.
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I wonder how bad Miami wants Elliot......
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I wonder how bad Miami wants Elliot......
They can wait for the big man. He will still be there with something to prove about his ability to tromp over LB's and outrun DB's. If they really need a power back in that O who also has hands and blocks rushers, his name is Henry.
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It was nice to finally hear people say "wow" the Browns actaully did something good. I hope Philly takes someone like Tunsil, and right then and there Mel Kipers head explodes, along with all of thier fans.
It was nice to finally hear people say "wow" the Browns actaully did something good. I hope Philly takes someone like Tunsil, and right then and there Mel Kipers head explodes, along with all of thier fans.
Me too. My daughter and her husband live in West Chester and are big Eagle fans. They're visiting Memorial day weekend, can't wait.
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Oh, probably. I'm listening to Sashi's press conference. He said the
trade down didn't have to do with going with analytics - said it was
a football decision, and just decided the value was worth it, there's
also qb's later on.
This draft will be the most stupifying draft.
Better link to watch the press conference
I'm listening to Sashi's press conference. He said the trade down didn't have to do with going with analytics - said it was a football decision, and just decided the value was worth it, there's also qb's later on.
Am I the only one disturbed by this?
Was he pressed on this point?
If true, would seem to be more egregious than dropping $100k on a QB study only to ignore it.
I mean the whole fucking point of this revamped FO was to emphasize fucking analytics... and right out the gate we fly by the seat of our pants?
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
well someone will get fired over this trade...........
let's hope it's the eagle's staff and not ours for once.
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I'm listening to Sashi's press conference. He said the trade down didn't have to do with going with analytics - said it was a football decision, and just decided the value was worth it, there's also qb's later on.
Am I the only one disturbed by this?
Was he pressed on this point?
If true, would seem to be more egregious than dropping $100k on a QB study only to ignore it.
I mean the whole fucking point of this revamped FO was to emphasize fucking analytics... and right out the gate we fly by the seat of our pants?
Am I the only one disturbed by this?
Was he pressed on this point?
If true, would seem to be more egregious than dropping $100k on a QB study only to ignore it.
I mean the whole fucking point of this revamped FO was to emphasize fucking analytics... and right out the gate we fly by the seat of our pants?
I'm not disturbed at all. This is obviously a slab up rebuild, instead of the knock down a few walls and paint rebuild that we're used to.
The draft is like 100s of plastic Easter eggs, some have $5 in them, others have $100 in them, and a few have $10,000 in them........ Oh yea, many of them have dog poop inside as well. Sometimes the 2nd egg picked has poop inside, while the 199th pick has a key to Fort Knox awaiting the lucky owner.
The Browns are obviously going with the more is better approach here, and they get to pick 6 of the first 100 eggs...... Not rocket science, just good business.
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analytics were a part of the process, but not a determining part. What he was saying,
is that the decision was a football decision, which it had better be.
I think if Luck had been right there, I would have taken the trade down. Sure, I love the idea
of Wentz being the qb for the Browns...
but the trade down, and the various needs to upgrade the talent with the Browns, is huge.
Which is the way it is, because of stupidass, poor drafting of the wrong players so many times
in the past. So many of the drafting mistakes the Browns have made in the past, have been because
they didn't have "character/love of the game/work ethic" as part of their criteria. That would have
saved them from JM, Gordon, Gilbert (though he may still come on..?), etcetc.
As long as the Browns hit on their picks, more players are worth far more than any one player. Even Wentz,
as much as I hate to say it.
I'll be sittin there with my large chocolate Frostie from Wendy's, in one hand, and my rootbeer in the other,
waiting to see how this all plays out....
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They can wait for the big man. He will still be there with something to prove about his ability to tromp over LB's and outrun DB's. If they really need a power back in that O who also has hands and blocks rushers, his name is Henry.
Sorry Ag- unless Buckner is still there, I'm running to the podium with Zeke's name on it. You may watch 'Bama, I've seen enough of OSU football to say with confidence Elliot is the best back coming out of that program since Eddie George. I'm sure you know Elliot's pass blocking and hands catching the ball are superb. Way faster in short burst and shiftier than Henry to top it off.
Nothing like having a good running game to take the pressure off RG III.
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I agree. Elliot is that great a rb to go for.
Dallas surely picks him.
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analytics were a part of the process, but not a determining part. What he was saying,
is that the decision was a football decision, which it had better be.
I think if Luck had been right there, I would have taken the trade down. Sure, I love the idea
of Wentz being the qb for the Browns...
but the trade down, and the various needs to upgrade the talent with the Browns, is huge.
Which is the way it is, because of stupidass, poor drafting of the wrong players so many times
in the past. So many of the drafting mistakes the Browns have made in the past, have been because
they didn't have "character/love of the game/work ethic" as part of their criteria. That would have
saved them from JM, Gordon, Gilbert (though he may still come on..?), etcetc.
As long as the Browns hit on their picks, more players are worth far more than any one player. Even Wentz,
as much as I hate to say it.
I'll be sittin there with my large chocolate Frostie from Wendy's, in one hand, and my rootbeer in the other,
waiting to see how this all plays out....
analytics were a part of the process, but not a determining part. What he was saying,
is that the decision was a football decision, which it had better be.
Yes... and I blame the early reporting...
Just listened for myself and feel better... at least on the part I went off about.
In initial part of answer downplaying analytics, Sashi had a full-blown, shit-eating-grin on his face. When he went "stoic" his comment was:
"Analytics are a piece of all decisions, but there was no driving force that came from analytics function to make this trade."
Close to a quote, I think... anyway I feel better on this point.
However, one other statement concerns me...
"We did not do much towards assessing QBs in the 2017, 2018 drafts."
Too much like a chess player who thinks only one move at a time for my taste.
I wrote a bit about Scenario Planning a while back. It was prompted by being a part of Depo's background. I hope to hell he's led an effort in this area.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
They can wait for the big man. He will still be there with something to prove about his ability to tromp over LB's and outrun DB's. If they really need a power back in that O who also has hands and blocks rushers, his name is Henry.
Sorry Ag- unless Buckner is still there, I'm running to the podium with Zeke's name on it. You may watch 'Bama, I've seen enough of OSU football to say with confidence Elliot is the best back coming out of that program since Eddie George. I'm sure you know Elliot's pass blocking and hands catching the ball are superb. Way faster in short burst and shiftier than Henry to top it off.
Nothing like having a good running game to take the pressure off RG III.
Sorry Ag- unless Buckner is still there, I'm running to the podium with Zeke's name on it. You may watch 'Bama, I've seen enough of OSU football to say with confidence Elliot is the best back coming out of that program since Eddie George. I'm sure you know Elliot's pass blocking and hands catching the ball are superb. Way faster in short burst and shiftier than Henry to top it off.
Nothing like having a good running game to take the pressure off RG III.
I was referring to a Miami trade up to get Elliott which would cost Miami the gold in Ft. Knox to move up and get him. Certainly if it's my time to pick and both backs are right there, then I go with Elliott. But if I'm the Miami GM I just wait and take Henry rather than sell out the whole team to get there.
Edit: Just watch sport science on NFL Live on Espn and they were saying Henry had the fastest 5 yd acceleration of any player they tested in the draft in the past 3 years and could bull through a series of heavy bags faster than anyone tested. Also had the fastest 20 yd time of anyone tested in this year's draft. The said he was a hybrid Eddy George. Elliott was better at the jump cuts and quickness to find the hole on par with Peterson. They compared him to Beastmode.
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Sorry Ag- unless Buckner is still there, I'm running to the podium with Zeke's name on it. You may watch 'Bama, I've seen enough of OSU football to say with confidence Elliot is the best back coming out of that program since Eddie George. I'm sure you know Elliot's pass blocking and hands catching the ball are superb. Way faster in short burst and shiftier than Henry to top it off.
Nothing like having a good running game to take the pressure off RG III.
I was referring to a Miami trade up to get Elliott which would cost Miami the gold in Ft. Knox to move up and get him. Certainly if it's my time to pick and both backs are right there, then I go with Elliott. But if I'm the Miami GM I just wait and take Henry rather than sell out the whole team to get there.
Edit: Just watch sport science on NFL Live on Espn and they were saying Henry had the fastest 5 yd acceleration of any player they tested in the draft in the past 3 years and could bull through a series of heavy bags faster than anyone tested. Also had the fastest 20 yd time of anyone tested in this year's draft. The said he was a hybrid Eddy George. Elliott was better at the jump cuts and quickness to find the hole on par with Peterson. They compared him to Beastmode.
I was referring to a Miami trade up to get Elliott which would cost Miami the gold in Ft. Knox to move up and get him. Certainly if it's my time to pick and both backs are right there, then I go with Elliott. But if I'm the Miami GM I just wait and take Henry rather than sell out the whole team to get there.
Edit: Just watch sport science on NFL Live on Espn and they were saying Henry had the fastest 5 yd acceleration of any player they tested in the draft in the past 3 years and could bull through a series of heavy bags faster than anyone tested. Also had the fastest 20 yd time of anyone tested in this year's draft. The said he was a hybrid Eddy George. Elliott was much, much, much, much much better at the jump cuts and quickness to find the hole on par with Peterson. They compared him to Beastmode.
First... fixed the cuts comment...
It looked like Henry was creeping around the poles. It was cool that they were angled so the lower a RB ran the more he could shorten the distance.That said Sport Science was made irrelevant for me when Wheezy killed clays...
And what about Miami? They badly miscalculate how far Zeke would fall or what? I mean we are sitting where they started.... weird, but potentially very profitable.
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