The rest of the QBs
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It's just so sad to me because to me there was Goff...Wentz....then everybody else. Huge dropoff in talent IMO.
I have no doubt that Lynch at #8 is a huge reach....even at #32 is a reach IMO.
It's just so sad to me because to me there was Goff...Wentz....then everybody else. Huge dropoff in talent IMO.
I have no doubt that Lynch at #8 is a huge reach....even at #32 is a reach IMO.
There will be lots of Camp (insert QBs) next year. The Browns may draft a QB that everyone is sweet on then or try to develop a middle round from this draft.
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It's just so sad to me because to me there was Goff...Wentz....then everybody else. Huge dropoff in talent IMO.
I have no doubt that Lynch at #8 is a huge reach....even at #32 is a reach IMO.
It's just so sad to me because to me there was Goff...Wentz....then everybody else. Huge dropoff in talent IMO.
I have no doubt that Lynch at #8 is a huge reach....even at #32 is a reach IMO.
It took balls to walk away from Goff and Wentz.
I am actually a little impressed.
When RG3 exhibits his rookie form, the Eagles go 5-11 and we are holding their #4 overall next year ... I'll be real fucking impressed.
We'll see...
Zombo
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Frankly I'm a bit tired of taking second tier QBs. I'm disappointed we don't get to pick a top tier guy this year but that's more than offset by the picks in return.
We have a chance to really rebuild this team with young and hungry players, choose guys that fit Hue's scheme and progress. I would be perfectly content not drafting a qb at all this year, but if someone falls a long way and is objectively great value then sure. But trying to force a qb early just because it's a qb would annoy me most of all.
Frankly I'm a bit tired of taking second tier QBs. I'm disappointed we don't get to pick a top tier guy this year but that's more than offset by the picks in return.
But.....we don't know who is or who is not going to be a "top tier" QB. Would you now consider Russell Wilson top tier? Many didn't at the time....dropped to round 3. I could list ad nauseum the QBs that people thought were not top tier, but turned out to be so, starting with ole #199.
I could also list ad nauseum the QB people thought were top tier....but weren't.
We have a chance to really rebuild this team with young and hungry players, choose guys that fit Hue's scheme and progress. I would be perfectly content not drafting a qb at all this year, but if someone falls a long way and is objectively great value then sure. But trying to force a qb early just because it's a qb would annoy me most of all.
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Sure but rolling a 7 is less than 50/50.
Rolling a 2 or a 12 is a lot less than that.
WSS
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I'm OK with Prescott later on, don't like Lynch's huge wind-up and he got an 18 wunderlic which is the lowest of any starting NFL QB (or would be)
FWIW BB, Cardale reportedly scored 25 on the wonderlic, and if true- means he's no dummy. A very raw edition of Wentz. Lord knows he has a cannon for an arm, and has a Rothlisberger physique. (6'5", 253- hand 9-3\4) Cleveland guy too. I'm back on the "Fail for Cardale" wagon. Call me crazy, I'd even take him at #32, or certainly with one of the third round picks, if he's still there (which may not be the case).
PS to Ghoolie- anything under 20 for an NFL quarterback is considered a red flag, but there's plenty of other stuff the Draft Gurus don't like about him.
PPS Buckner reportedly scored an 8. If so, I'm off the Buckner wagon.
Call me crazy, I'd even take him at #32...
You Crazy...
We don't have a 3rd round comp. We have 2 3rd round picks...ours & the Eagles.
Oops... then our first 4th round pick...
If Denver wants him as much as I think they do they will take him @ 63.If we think he is that good, we had better use #32 or trade up just ahead of their #63.
If they want him that high, then I'd let them have him... I'd go as high as #77, but you have to draw a line. I can only like a running QB so much... it's still very new to me...
There will be lots of Camp (insert QBshttp://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=40201) next year. The Browns may draft a QB that everyone is sweet on then or try to develop a middle round from this draft.
But to not kick the tires on one this year is wasting a year. Surely we will sign an UFA and PS him (like a Stave), but a late Day 2/ Day 3 is a reasonable investment in an educated guess late... even if it's a Sudfeld.
In the NFL, you always have to be searching for your next QB...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
How close to Brockweiller coming out of college is Lynch?
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
How close to Brockweiller coming out of college is Lynch?
Was Arizona State running a goofy spread offense?
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Was Arizona State running a goofy spread offense?
Dennis Eriskson favors the one-back spread... not sure how "goofy" it was considered in 2011.
Likely relatively sane compared to some of today's spreads... but vs. Memphis' spread???
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Lynch, Cook and Cardale interest me.
Lynch and Cardale are both naturally gifted with great size but need a lot of polish. A lot.
Cook is a guy that really interests me lately
I like that everyone thinks he's an asshole: http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/draft/2016/04/21/connor-cook-michigan-state-nfl-draft/83337046/
Steeler fans will hate him.
He seemed to get better as his college career went on, I think he will have a good NFL career. But Lynch and Cardale have higher ceilings. I would not be unhappy with Lynch in the second round if he made it there.
Zombo
Zombo said:
Lynch, Cook and Cardale interest me.
Lynch and Cardale are both naturally gifted with great size but need a lot of polish. A lot.
Cook is a guy that really interests me lately
I like that everyone thinks he's an asshole: http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/draft/2016/04/21/connor-cook-michigan-state-nfl-draft/83337046/
Steeler fans will hate him.
He seemed to get better as his college career went on, I think he will have a good NFL career. But Lynch and Cardale have higher ceilings. I would not be unhappy with Lynch in the second round if he made it there.
Zombo
I have extreme doubt Lynch will last to #32, unless every NFL scout thinks the guy is another Dan McGuire. (6'8", 240) Flacco is the only qb at 6'6". Our pal on the other board who's opinion I value highly- (Jason J) says stay away from Lynch- far away.
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Call me crazy, I'd even take him at #32...
You Crazy...
We don't have a 3rd round comp. We have 2 3rd round picks...ours & the Eagles.
Oops... then our first 4th round pick...
If Denver wants him as much as I think they do they will take him @ 63.If we think he is that good, we had better use #32 or trade up just ahead of their #63.
If they want him that high, then I'd let them have him... I'd go as high as #77, but you have to draw a line. I can only like a running QB so much... it's still very new to me...
There will be lots of Camp (insert QBshttp://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=40201) next year. The Browns may draft a QB that everyone is sweet on then or try to develop a middle round from this draft.
But to not kick the tires on one this year is wasting a year. Surely we will sign an UFA and PS him (like a Stave), but a late Day 2/ Day 3 is a reasonable investment in an educated guess late... even if it's a Sudfeld.
In the NFL, you always have to be searching for your next QB...
You Crazy...
About Cardale? Yeah, probably. Depends what we do @ #8. If we take Elliot there, and then take the best WR left (the Bungles are almost certainly gonna draft one with their first round pick). So where would you draft him Tour? Third round? Lower? The guy has all the physical tools, but needs a LOT of polish.
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Let me say in a different way the only guy I absolutely in no sense want at any pick is Hackenburg. He had one above average freshman season but his tape absolutely blows. With that being said, I'm so "meh" on all the 2nd tier dudes in the group that I think we can fill positions much better with all our top picks in the top 3 rounds than with a QB.
I agree with Z to a point though that if Cook falls to the top of the 4th or so I wouldn't mind pulling the trigger there. I could actually easily see that scenario because of his character concerns. To be frank I think his potential is about every other MSU QB (i.e. markedly mediocre) but he could break the mold.
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I liked Dak Prescott until his DUI, not sure if we need another boozer. Lynch won't make it past Denver if San Fransisco passes on him. The thing no one talks about is Teams with older QB's who are looking toward the future. Cardinals, Saints, San Diego, Dallas are going to have to start making plans.
Buffalo may even draft another QB, I heard they really like Cardale. So if the Browns draft Lynch I wouldn't be too upset.
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I liked Dak Prescott until his DUI, not sure if we need another boozer. Lynch won't make it past Denver if San Fransisco passes on him. The thing no one talks about is Teams with older QB's who are looking toward the future. Cardinals, Saints, San Diego, Dallas are going to have to start making plans.
Buffalo may even draft another QB, I heard they really like Cardale. So if the Browns draft Lynch I wouldn't be too upset.
I liked Dak Prescott until his DUI, not sure if we need another boozer. Lynch won't make it past Denver if San Fransisco passes on him. The thing no one talks about is Teams with older QB's who are looking toward the future. Cardinals, Saints, San Diego, Dallas are going to have to start making plans.
Buffalo may even draft another QB, I heard they really like Cardale. So if the Browns draft Lynch I wouldn't be too upset.
Except....that I talked about just that very subject several time in the last week or so.
In fact, I said that for that very reason you could actually get 5 QBs drafted in round one. Goff/Wentz/Lynch/Cook/Hackenberg.
It could happen, not that I predict that it will. But if it does, do not look surprised.
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Let me say in a different way the only guy I absolutely in no sense want at any pick is Hackenburg. He had one above average freshman season but his tape absolutely blows. With that being said, I'm so "meh" on all the 2nd tier dudes in the group that I think we can fill positions much better with all our top picks in the top 3 rounds than with a QB.
I agree with Z to a point though that if Cook falls to the top of the 4th or so I wouldn't mind pulling the trigger there. I could actually easily see that scenario because of his character concerns. To be frank I think his potential is about every other MSU QB (i.e. markedly mediocre) but he could break the mold.
Let me say in a different way the only guy I absolutely in no sense want at any pick is Hackenburg. He had one above average freshman season but his tape absolutely blows. With that being said, I'm so "meh" on all the 2nd tier dudes in the group that I think we can fill positions much better with all our top picks in the top 3 rounds than with a QB.
I agree with Z to a point though that if Cook falls to the top of the 4th or so I wouldn't mind pulling the trigger there. I could actually easily see that scenario because of his character concerns. To be frank I think his potential is about every other MSU QB (i.e. markedly mediocre) but he could break the mold.
Whether true or not- here's something to think about.
Connor Cook, QB, Michigan StateLeadership questions continue to plague quarterback Connor Cook. I was told during interviews he's come across as flippant and cavalier, and many question whether Cook is a team leader at the quarterback position.
Read more at http://walterfootball.com/tonypaulinerumors.php#k94D8V6F7h8az1Ct.99
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Let me say in a different way the only guy I absolutely in no sense want at any pick is Hackenburg. He had one above average freshman season but his tape absolutely blows. With that being said, I'm so "meh" on all the 2nd tier dudes in the group that I think we can fill positions much better with all our top picks in the top 3 rounds than with a QB.
I agree with Z to a point though that if Cook falls to the top of the 4th or so I wouldn't mind pulling the trigger there. I could actually easily see that scenario because of his character concerns. To be frank I think his potential is about every other MSU QB (i.e. markedly mediocre) but he could break the mold.
Whether true or not- here's something to think about.
Connor Cook, QB, Michigan StateLeadership questions continue to plague quarterback Connor Cook. I was told during interviews he's come across as flippant and cavalier, and many question whether Cook is a team leader at the quarterback position.
Read more at http://walterfootball.com/tonypaulinerumors.php#k94D8V6F7h8az1Ct.99
Whether true or not- here's something to think about.
Connor Cook, QB, Michigan StateLeadership questions continue to plague quarterback Connor Cook. I was told during interviews he's come across as flippant and cavalier, and many question whether Cook is a team leader at the quarterback position.
Read more at http://walterfootball.com/tonypaulinerumors.php#k94D8V6F7h8az1Ct.99
Well, maybe Cook is also a proponent of the Kobayashi Maru principle......which is "damn the rules, damn the precepts and expectations that other set on you on how to behave or how to perform a task. Do what it takes to save your ass...or get the job done".
Also.....Cook is from Hinckley, Home of the Buzzards. Maybe he has the mentality of a buzzard.
From Primal Astrology:
"Most people see the buzzard as a lazy creature circling around something else’s kill so they can go feed on the scraps. This perception is a bit unfair. These birds are often, in fact, circling in order to climb air thermals to greater heights. And while they are opportunists, vultures are also brilliant strategists - knowing when to take advantage of a situation and when they are outmatched by another predator. More than anything, they are survivors, ready to do what it takes to get what they need from life. Those born under the sign of the Buzzard are very much the same.
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Kansas City at #28 could be a surprise spot for Lynch. Could learn the system under Smith - who, at 31, may only have a couple of good years left.
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Let me say in a different way the only guy I absolutely in no sense want at any pick is Hackenburg. He had one above average freshman season but his tape absolutely blows. With that being said, I'm so "meh" on all the 2nd tier dudes in the group that I think we can fill positions much better with all our top picks in the top 3 rounds than with a QB.
I agree with Z to a point though that if Cook falls to the top of the 4th or so I wouldn't mind pulling the trigger there. I could actually easily see that scenario because of his character concerns. To be frank I think his potential is about every other MSU QB (i.e. markedly mediocre) but he could break the mold.
Whether true or not- here's something to think about.
Connor Cook, QB, Michigan StateLeadership questions continue to plague quarterback Connor Cook. I was told during interviews he's come across as flippant and cavalier, and many question whether Cook is a team leader at the quarterback position.
Read more at http://walterfootball.com/tonypaulinerumors.php#k94D8V6F7h8az1Ct.99
Whether true or not- here's something to think about.
Connor Cook, QB, Michigan StateLeadership questions continue to plague quarterback Connor Cook. I was told during interviews he's come across as flippant and cavalier, and many question whether Cook is a team leader at the quarterback position.
Read more at http://walterfootball.com/tonypaulinerumors.php#k94D8V6F7h8az1Ct.99
I did not see too much of Cook in 2015. Was he still plagued by occasions of out-of-nowhere, inexplicable, WTF throws as he was in 2014?
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Cook came off exactly how he is rumored to be on the Gruden QB camp. The guy gives a vibe like he can be really pissy.
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