Camp Zeke
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Merge with his other 'we gotta take elliott' thread?
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I'm confused. Even if you think he's overrated, that pick would be regarded by pretty much everyone as a steal.
Who is 'everyone' ? ESPN?
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Dude, we're not taking Zeke. We're not going to start a rebuild with a RB when the average shelf life of a RB is 3 years.
Its not happening. What's most likely is we end up trading down again, probably to 13 with Miami.
Dude, we're not taking Zeke. We're not going to start a rebuild with a RB when the average shelf life of a RB is 3 years.
Its not happening. What's most likely is we end up trading down again, probably to 13 with Miami.
It's not 3 years for good RBs. We could get 8-9. Though I'll concede that he could easily become too expensive after his initial contract.
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Dude, we're not taking Zeke. We're not going to start a rebuild with a RB when the average shelf life of a RB is 3 years.
Its not happening. What's most likely is we end up trading down again, probably to 13 with Miami.
It's not 3 years for good RBs. We could get 8-9. Though I'll concede that he could easily become too expensive after his initial contract.
It's not 3 years for good RBs. We could get 8-9. Though I'll concede that he could easily become too expensive after his initial contract.
How do you know he's gonna be good? Sure, his chances are better than most but look at Melvin Gordon, Trent Richardson.. And my point about the 3 yrs shelf life wasn't about lack of talent, it was about injury and wear and tear on the body
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I want Zeke too but there's no way we take him at 8. He might be available in the 20s we can possibly trade up for him but I doubt it.
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If we take Ramsey at 8 I'll burn my Browns gear.
And here I was planning to buy you a Ramsey jersey for Christmas...
I could live with anyone NOT an OL with the exception of Tunsil.
Seconded...
VesnaKociper said:
Personally, I like this Sashi guy.Now... but will you come Saturday nite?
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It's not 3 years for good RBs. We could get 8-9. Though I'll concede that he could easily become too expensive after his initial contract.
How do you know he's gonna be good? Sure, his chances are better than most but look at Melvin Gordon, Trent Richardson.. And my point about the 3 yrs shelf life wasn't about lack of talent, it was about injury and wear and tear on the body
How do you know he's gonna be good? Sure, his chances are better than most but look at Melvin Gordon, Trent Richardson.. And my point about the 3 yrs shelf life wasn't about lack of talent, it was about injury and wear and tear on the body
We don't know if any pick is going to be good, so that's a pointless question. Gordon is far from any sort of bust.
What talented RBs have been spent after 3 years due to wear and tear on their bodies?
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Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody!
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I don't understand the reasoning behind saying taking a running back at 8 is a waste just because its a running back.
Taking guys like Mingo and Gilbert was suppose to be a great move. They both are a complete waste.
To me, drafting "Pass Rushers" that play 1 down a series is a waste. What's a good sack rate in the NFL? 10 a year? So 10 plays a year you record a sack. maybe 20 more you get pressure... 30 snaps a year you make an impact... .And that's worth a top ten pick, but other positions shouldn't even be considered?
Drafting a QB at 1 or 2 from backwater state that nobody heard of before Mel Kiper talks about him in January that played against guys that are working on an oil rig now is smarter than drafting a running back that carried a team to a National Title is a great move... Really? Where is that logic coming from? How? I understand that the QB position is more important, but what makes that guy a smart pick?
Taking a guy at 8 that makes a serious contribution to a team that is talent deficient at any position isn't a waste at any position.
Christ, the Rams took Gurley with a messed up knee at 10 last year. That was a bad move? How? Pretty sure the Browns would send Johnny, Mingo, Gilbert, Danny and Irving over to the Rams for Gurley straight up.
I'm not saying that Zeke will light it up. Not even saying the Browns should draft him if he is there. I just don't understand the "Can't take that guy with our pick, even if he is the best player available because he's a running back and this is the first round.... everybody will laugh at us." thinking.
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A once a decade back should be taken @ #8 if he is there as BPA.
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A once a decade back should be taken @ #8 if he is there as BPA.
A once a decade back should be taken @ #8 if he is there as BPA.
From what I've read, as good as Elliott is, he's not the play Todd Gurley was coming out, and not as good as Fournette next year. Not sure he's once in a generation.
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This offense needs a doctor. Josh Doctson at 8 if we can't find another slight trade down offer. Then Karl Joseph at the top of the second round.
Another intriguing combination would be Ramsey at 8 and Doctson at 32.
Or, Ramsey at 8 and Joseph at 32.
I would also like Bosa at 8 and Doctson/Joseph at 32.
If we could find a way to get Bosa/Ramsey Doctson/Joseph Killebrew/Boehringer/ScoobyWright3
Imagine if we had:
WR- Gordon
WR- Doctson
WR- Boehringer
WR- Core/Peake
DB- Haden
DB- Ramsey
SS- Killebrew
FS- Joseph
This offense needs a doctor. Josh Doctson at 8 if we can't find another slight trade down offer. Then Karl Joseph at the top of the second round.
Another intriguing combination would be Ramsey at 8 and Doctson at 32.
Or, Ramsey at 8 and Joseph at 32.
I would also like Bosa at 8 and Doctson/Joseph at 32.
If we could find a way to get Bosa/Ramsey Doctson/Joseph Killebrew/Boehringer/ScoobyWright3
Imagine if we had:
WR- Gordon
WR- Doctson
WR- Boehringer
WR- Core/Peake
DB- Haden
DB- Ramsey
SS- Killebrew
FS- Joseph
Instead of engaging in this wild kind of speculation, I think I will wait to see who we do have...then assess things then.
You have 6 of our 12 picks going to WRs and DBs. I don't think that will happen.
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I don't understand the reasoning behind saying taking a running back at 8 is a waste just because its a running back.
Taking guys like Mingo and Gilbert was suppose to be a great move. They both are a complete waste.
To me, drafting "Pass Rushers" that play 1 down a series is a waste. What's a good sack rate in the NFL? 10 a year? So 10 plays a year you record a sack. maybe 20 more you get pressure... 30 snaps a year you make an impact... .And that's worth a top ten pick, but other positions shouldn't even be considered?
Drafting a QB at 1 or 2 from backwater state that nobody heard of before Mel Kiper talks about him in January that played against guys that are working on an oil rig now is smarter than drafting a running back that carried a team to a National Title is a great move... Really? Where is that logic coming from? How? I understand that the QB position is more important, but what makes that guy a smart pick?
Taking a guy at 8 that makes a serious contribution to a team that is talent deficient at any position isn't a waste at any position.
Christ, the Rams took Gurley with a messed up knee at 10 last year. That was a bad move? How? Pretty sure the Browns would send Johnny, Mingo, Gilbert, Danny and Irving over to the Rams for Gurley straight up.
I'm not saying that Zeke will light it up. Not even saying the Browns should draft him if he is there. I just don't understand the "Can't take that guy with our pick, even if he is the best player available because he's a running back and this is the first round.... everybody will laugh at us." thinking.
I don't understand the reasoning behind saying taking a running back at 8 is a waste just because its a running back.
Taking guys like Mingo and Gilbert was suppose to be a great move. They both are a complete waste.
To me, drafting "Pass Rushers" that play 1 down a series is a waste. What's a good sack rate in the NFL? 10 a year? So 10 plays a year you record a sack. maybe 20 more you get pressure... 30 snaps a year you make an impact... .And that's worth a top ten pick, but other positions shouldn't even be considered?
Drafting a QB at 1 or 2 from backwater state that nobody heard of before Mel Kiper talks about him in January that played against guys that are working on an oil rig now is smarter than drafting a running back that carried a team to a National Title is a great move... Really? Where is that logic coming from? How? I understand that the QB position is more important, but what makes that guy a smart pick?
Taking a guy at 8 that makes a serious contribution to a team that is talent deficient at any position isn't a waste at any position.
Christ, the Rams took Gurley with a messed up knee at 10 last year. That was a bad move? How? Pretty sure the Browns would send Johnny, Mingo, Gilbert, Danny and Irving over to the Rams for Gurley straight up.
I'm not saying that Zeke will light it up. Not even saying the Browns should draft him if he is there. I just don't understand the "Can't take that guy with our pick, even if he is the best player available because he's a running back and this is the first round.... everybody will laugh at us." thinking.
Fair arguments all around.
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He'd be a steal at 8
So you haven't watched him then...? Duly noted.
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A once a decade back should be taken @ #8 if he is there as BPA.
From what I've read, as good as Elliott is, he's not the play Todd Gurley was coming out, and not as good as Fournette next year. Not sure he's once in a generation.
From what I've read, as good as Elliott is, he's not the play Todd Gurley was coming out, and not as good as Fournette next year. Not sure he's once in a generation.
A bird in hand is worth two Fornettes in the bush, though I agree he is a great back.
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A bird in hand is worth two Fornettes in the bush, though I agree he is a great back.
Point is not that we should wait for Fournette, but that calling Elliott a generational talent is a bit off.
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A bird in hand is worth two Fornettes in the bush, though I agree he is a great back.
Point is not that we should wait for Fournette, but that calling Elliott a generational talent is a bit off.
Point is not that we should wait for Fournette, but that calling Elliott a generational talent is a bit off.
In the 70s and 80s a "generational" talent at RB was coming out just about every year:
1975 Walter Payton
1977 Tony Dorsett
1978 Earl Campbell
1980 Billy Sims
1982 Marcus Allen
1983 Eric Dickerson
1986 Bo Jackson
1989 Barry Sanders
1990 Emmit Smith
and somewhere in there Herschel Walker went to the USFL
Now, this may not be the "Golden Age" of Running backs like that was....but that does not mean that great ones don't or can't come along fairly regularly.
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A once a decade back should be taken @ #8 if he is there as BPA.
From what I've read, as good as Elliott is, he's not the play Todd Gurley was coming out, and not as good as Fournette next year. Not sure he's once in a generation.
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Except I wasn't be sarcastic at all......that is what he says.
And Kiper is no worse or better than any other the other draft prognosticators out there.
Gip, compared to the other "experts" Mel rhymes with "smell" as in bad. I always get a chuckle when I remember the Mel-ism- "MUUUUUUSSSSTTT draft Hart Lee Dykes" Drafted #16 by the Patriots, lasted 2 years. Shades of Greg Little.
This offense needs a doctor. Josh Doctson at 8 if we can't find another slight trade down offer. Then Karl Joseph at the top of the second round.
Another intriguing combination would be Ramsey at 8 and Doctson at 32.
You imagine too much PG. Docktson isn't going that high. Thursday can't get here fast enough.
From what I've read, as good as Elliott is, he's not the play Todd Gurley was coming out, and not as good as Fournette next year. Not sure he's once in a generation.
I saw Gurley play live this past year when the Browns played the Rams. MHO is Elliott is every bit as good as Gurley, and is a far more complete back. I was screaming NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO to drafting Richardson, I don't feel that way at all about Zeke.
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A once a decade back should be taken @ #8 if he is there as BPA.
From what I've read, as good as Elliott is, he's not the play Todd Gurley was coming out, and not as good as Fournette next year. Not sure he's once in a generation.
From what I've read, as good as Elliott is, he's not the play Todd Gurley was coming out, and not as good as Fournette next year. Not sure he's once in a generation.
I think he is, and I love both those guys. PFF is adamant he's the best talent since Peterson.
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