Camp Zeke
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Still think the Boys take him at 4th overall. Wouldnt hate the pick either way. All I care about is getting some actual playmakers and putting up some points.
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Still think the Boys take him at 4th overall. Wouldnt hate the pick either way. All I care about is getting some actual playmakers and putting up some points.
Still think the Boys take him at 4th overall. Wouldnt hate the pick either way. All I care about is getting some actual playmakers and putting up some points.
Cowboys will take one of the Ohio State players, that is my prediction. It could be Zeke, but perhaps more likely Bosa.
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If we could drop down just a couple more spots, I wouldn't mind Zeke at all. Especially for a team that is going to have to rely so much on the running game and PAP.
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I think he is, and I love both those guys. PFF is adamant he's the best talent since Peterson.
I've said a bunch of times- my Ohio State fandom goes all the way back to Woody Hayes and the days of John Brockington. MHO is Zeke is the best running back to come out of Columbus since Eddie George.
If he is the in the same wheelhouse as Peterson, you take him at 8.
^ This.
If we could drop down just a couple more spots, I wouldn't mind Zeke at all. Especially for a team that is going to have to rely so much on the running game and PAP.
If you think you can get 7 years worth of 1,000 yard seasons (and one near miss at 939) like EG, you don't get cute- you just take him @ #8. Cripe, we got 12 picks as it is. We'll have at least 12 next year, including two firsts. Unless someone offers up something stupid- why trade down? Miami's second round pick doesn't do it for me.
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I think he is, and I love both those guys. PFF is adamant he's the best talent since Peterson.
I've said a bunch of times- my Ohio State fandom goes all the way back to Woody Hayes and the days of John Brockington. MHO is Zeke is the best running back to come out of Columbus since Eddie George.
If he is the in the same wheelhouse as Peterson, you take him at 8.
^ This.
If we could drop down just a couple more spots, I wouldn't mind Zeke at all. Especially for a team that is going to have to rely so much on the running game and PAP.
If you think you can get 7 years worth of 1,000 yard seasons (and one near miss at 939) like EG, you don't get cute- you just take him @ #8. Cripe, we got 12 picks as it is. We'll have at least 12 next year, including two firsts. Unless someone offers up something stupid- why trade down? Miami's second round pick doesn't do it for me.
I've said a bunch of times- my Ohio State fandom goes all the way back to Woody Hayes and the days of John Brockington. MHO is Zeke is the best running back to come out of Columbus since Eddie George.
Only the late 60's? Not even a couple years earlier to Jim Otis?
No disagreement here, but the gap between Eddie and AP was discernible.
As for Zeke... he simply lacks AP's power. Not "power-less", but not in AP's league. And I am objecting to the comparison more than I am us taking Zeke... even though I covet others more at 8.
Just my $0.02
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I've said a bunch of times- my Ohio State fandom goes all the way back to Woody Hayes and the days of John Brockington. MHO is Zeke is the best running back to come out of Columbus since Eddie George.
Only the late 60's? Not even a couple years earlier to Jim Otis?
No disagreement here, but the gap between Eddie and AP was discernible.
As for Zeke... he simply lacks AP's power. Not "power-less", but not in AP's league. And I am objecting to the comparison more than I am us taking Zeke... even though I covet others more at 8.
Just my $0.02
Only the late 60's? Not even a couple years earlier to Jim Otis?
No disagreement here, but the gap between Eddie and AP was discernible.
As for Zeke... he simply lacks AP's power. Not "power-less", but not in AP's league. And I am objecting to the comparison more than I am us taking Zeke... even though I covet others more at 8.
Just my $0.02
That would be a year Tour. Had to look it up. FWIW, I was more a Browns fan than a Bucks fan back then. I vaguely remember Otis- but Brockington a lot better. Mainly because a guy from my HS, Larry Zelenia, played tailback behind him. You might not remember him, but he got a tryout with the Browns after graduation from OSU- promptly blew out his knee, and his pro career was over.
I got to play against Larry- and some of his friends in the Junior- Senior Intramural BB Championship. So I got to see what 4.4 speed looks like up close and personal. LOL
Z could dribble a basketball faster than I could flat-out sprint. (There were many Kevin Love style outlet passes from our quarterback- Jim Betts, who wound up having a nice collegiate CB career at Michigan.)PS- not comparing Zeke to AP- more to Eddie. If Elliot can have a George- Lewis level career- I won't be unhappy. FWIW- Zeke has one characteristic in a college RB I value highly- can't recall if he ever got caught from behind- unlike Mr. Sluggo Trent Richardson.
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I doubt he makes it past the Giants at 10.
The Gmen place little value on two positions - interior Dline and RB. Everyone was in a twist that they would pick Danny last year and I mentioned their last first round lineman was in 2003.
They're a very structured organization and that structure hasn't changed in years. If they took Zeke, I'd shit a brick.
edit: Helps with the bitter taste that selecting Wilson had on them.
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Eddie George was a plodder who averaged 3.6 yards per rush. His only carry over 40 yards was his rookie year. Elliott has elite burst, soft hands and rare blocking skills.
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I doubt he makes it past the Giants at 10.
The Gmen place little value on two positions - interior Dline and RB. Everyone was in a twist that they would pick Danny last year and I mentioned their last first round lineman was in 2003.
They're a very structured organization and that structure hasn't changed in years. If they took Zeke, I'd shit a brick.
edit: Helps with the bitter taste that selecting Wilson had on them.
The Gmen place little value on two positions - interior Dline and RB. Everyone was in a twist that they would pick Danny last year and I mentioned their last first round lineman was in 2003.
They're a very structured organization and that structure hasn't changed in years. If they took Zeke, I'd shit a brick.
edit: Helps with the bitter taste that selecting Wilson had on them.
Don't they have a new GM?
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The Gmen place little value on two positions - interior Dline and RB. Everyone was in a twist that they would pick Danny last year and I mentioned their last first round lineman was in 2003.
They're a very structured organization and that structure hasn't changed in years. If they took Zeke, I'd shit a brick.
edit: Helps with the bitter taste that selecting Wilson had on them.
Don't they have a new GM?
Don't they have a new GM?
Don't think so.... I remember the big deal made about the only change NYG made was ousting Conklin and promoting their OC making old Tom "the fall guy".
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I've come around on Zeke big time, and I'd love to have him. Problem is, I can't imagine him being available at 8. I just think somebody grabs him, or another team trades up for him. Trading up for a RB in this day and age is doubtful, but Zeke is pretty special.
Even IF Zeke is available at 8, I think we'd trade down again. Maybe somebody like the Fins trade up from 13 to draft him, and that'd be FINE with me. Again, I don't think he'll be there at 8, but I guess you never know.
If Zeke is gone by 8, and we can't trade down, I think we pick DeForest Buckner or Conklin from MSU. If we draft an OL at 8, it would really hurt because we somehow couldn't get a deal done with Schwartz.
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I've come around on Zeke big time, and I'd love to have him. Problem is, I can't imagine him being available at 8. I just think somebody grabs him, or another team trades up for him. Trading up for a RB in this day and age is doubtful, but Zeke is pretty special.
Even IF Zeke is available at 8, I think we'd trade down again. Maybe somebody like the Fins trade up from 13 to draft him, and that'd be FINE with me. Again, I don't think he'll be there at 8, but I guess you never know.
If Zeke is gone by 8, and we can't trade down, I think we pick DeForest Buckner or Conklin from MSU. If we draft an OL at 8, it would really hurt because we somehow couldn't get a deal done with Schwartz.
If Zeke is gone by 8, and we can't trade down, I think we pick DeForest Buckner or Conklin from MSU. If we draft an OL at 8, it would really hurt because we somehow couldn't get a deal done with Schwartz.
One out of three ain't bad... in baseball batting... or vs. Browns' past drafts...
Been trying not to think about Mitch's departure too much... cause I trend to get pissed. He was not a great start to the "keeping talent" piece of our new recipe for success.
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Only the late 60's? Not even a couple years earlier to Jim Otis?
No disagreement here, but the gap between Eddie and AP was discernible.
As for Zeke... he simply lacks AP's power. Not "power-less", but not in AP's league. And I am objecting to the comparison more than I am us taking Zeke... even though I covet others more at 8.
Just my $0.02
That would be a year Tour. Had to look it up. FWIW, I was more a Browns fan than a Bucks fan back then. I vaguely remember Otis- but Brockington a lot better. Mainly because a guy from my HS, Larry Zelenia, played tailback behind him. You might not remember him, but he got a tryout with the Browns after graduation from OSU- promptly blew out his knee, and his pro career was over.
I got to play against Larry- and some of his friends in the Junior- Senior Intramural BB Championship. So I got to see what 4.4 speed looks like up close and personal. LOL
Z could dribble a basketball faster than I could flat-out sprint. (There were many Kevin Love style outlet passes from our quarterback- Jim Betts, who wound up having a nice collegiate CB career at Michigan.)PS- not comparing Zeke to AP- more to Eddie. If Elliot can have a George- Lewis level career- I won't be unhappy. FWIW- Zeke has one characteristic in a college RB I value highly- can't recall if he ever got caught from behind- unlike Mr. Sluggo Trent Richardson.
That would be a year Tour. Had to look it up. FWIW, I was more a Browns fan than a Bucks fan back then. I vaguely remember Otis- but Brockington a lot better. Mainly because a guy from my HS, Larry Zelenia, played tailback behind him. You might not remember him, but he got a tryout with the Browns after graduation from OSU- promptly blew out his knee, and his pro career was over.
I got to play against Larry- and some of his friends in the Junior- Senior Intramural BB Championship. So I got to see what 4.4 speed looks like up close and personal. LOL
Z could dribble a basketball faster than I could flat-out sprint. (There were many Kevin Love style outlet passes from our quarterback- Jim Betts, who wound up having a nice collegiate CB career at Michigan.)PS- not comparing Zeke to AP- more to Eddie. If Elliot can have a George- Lewis level career- I won't be unhappy. FWIW- Zeke has one characteristic in a college RB I value highly- can't recall if he ever got caught from behind- unlike Mr. Sluggo Trent Richardson.
On Mike and Mike this morning, Bill Polian said that Ezekiel Elliot was the #1 BEST player available in this draft. That he would have no hesitation in taking him #1 overall even.
Though he did say that Jaylon Smith would be if not for his injury.
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That would be a year Tour. Had to look it up. FWIW, I was more a Browns fan than a Bucks fan back then. I vaguely remember Otis- but Brockington a lot better. Mainly because a guy from my HS, Larry Zelenia, played tailback behind him. You might not remember him, but he got a tryout with the Browns after graduation from OSU- promptly blew out his knee, and his pro career was over.
I got to play against Larry- and some of his friends in the Junior- Senior Intramural BB Championship. So I got to see what 4.4 speed looks like up close and personal. LOL
Z could dribble a basketball faster than I could flat-out sprint. (There were many Kevin Love style outlet passes from our quarterback- Jim Betts, who wound up having a nice collegiate CB career at Michigan.)PS- not comparing Zeke to AP- more to Eddie. If Elliot can have a George- Lewis level career- I won't be unhappy. FWIW- Zeke has one characteristic in a college RB I value highly- can't recall if he ever got caught from behind- unlike Mr. Sluggo Trent Richardson.
On Mike and Mike this morning, Bill Polian said that Ezekiel Elliot was the #1 BEST player available in this draft. That he would have no hesitation in taking him #1 overall even.
Though he did say that Jaylon Smith would be if not for his injury.
On Mike and Mike this morning, Bill Polian said that Ezekiel Elliot was the #1 BEST player available in this draft. That he would have no hesitation in taking him #1 overall even.
Could be the reason Bill is no longer a GM...
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I've come around on Zeke big time, and I'd love to have him. Problem is, I can't imagine him being available at 8. I just think somebody grabs him, or another team trades up for him. Trading up for a RB in this day and age is doubtful, but Zeke is pretty special.
Even IF Zeke is available at 8, I think we'd trade down again. Maybe somebody like the Fins trade up from 13 to draft him, and that'd be FINE with me. Again, I don't think he'll be there at 8, but I guess you never know.
If Zeke is gone by 8, and we can't trade down, I think we pick DeForest Buckner or Conklin from MSU. If we draft an OL at 8, it would really hurt because we somehow couldn't get a deal done with Schwartz.
I've come around on Zeke big time, and I'd love to have him. Problem is, I can't imagine him being available at 8. I just think somebody grabs him, or another team trades up for him. Trading up for a RB in this day and age is doubtful, but Zeke is pretty special.
Even IF Zeke is available at 8, I think we'd trade down again. Maybe somebody like the Fins trade up from 13 to draft him, and that'd be FINE with me. Again, I don't think he'll be there at 8, but I guess you never know.
If Zeke is gone by 8, and we can't trade down, I think we pick DeForest Buckner or Conklin from MSU. If we draft an OL at 8, it would really hurt because we somehow couldn't get a deal done with Schwartz.
The problem with yet another trade down, is the Browns would be running out of elite talent fast- unless you think their analytics have targeted a guy in the mid first they really like. I'm OK with Buckner if Zeke is gone- but Ramsey will not make it past the Ravens.
BTW, Sashi has said they're confident a great prospect will be there at #8. As I've said, we already have 12 picks this year, do we really need more? The rumored trade up from the Dolphins is a net 250 points- meaning their third and a fifth. IMHO not worth it to pass on a potentially great player to take a flyer in the third round.
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I've come around on Zeke big time, and I'd love to have him. Problem is, I can't imagine him being available at 8. I just think somebody grabs him, or another team trades up for him. Trading up for a RB in this day and age is doubtful, but Zeke is pretty special.
Even IF Zeke is available at 8, I think we'd trade down again. Maybe somebody like the Fins trade up from 13 to draft him, and that'd be FINE with me. Again, I don't think he'll be there at 8, but I guess you never know.
If Zeke is gone by 8, and we can't trade down, I think we pick DeForest Buckner or Conklin from MSU. If we draft an OL at 8, it would really hurt because we somehow couldn't get a deal done with Schwartz.
The problem with yet another trade down, is the Browns would be running out of elite talent fast- unless you think their analytics have targeted a guy in the mid first they really like. I'm OK with Buckner if Zeke is gone- but Ramsey will not make it past the Ravens.
BTW, Sashi has said they're confident a great prospect will be there at #8. As I've said, we already have 12 picks this year, do we really need more? The rumored trade up from the Dolphins is a net 250 points- meaning their third and a fifth. IMHO not worth it to pass on a potentially great player to take a flyer in the third round.
The problem with yet another trade down, is the Browns would be running out of elite talent fast- unless you think their analytics have targeted a guy in the mid first they really like. I'm OK with Buckner if Zeke is gone- but Ramsey will not make it past the Ravens.
BTW, Sashi has said they're confident a great prospect will be there at #8. As I've said, we already have 12 picks this year, do we really need more? The rumored trade up from the Dolphins is a net 250 points- meaning their third and a fifth. IMHO not worth it to pass on a potentially great player to take a flyer in the third round.
If Ramsey and Tunsil are both on the board?
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The problem with yet another trade down, is the Browns would be running out of elite talent fast- unless you think their analytics have targeted a guy in the mid first they really like. I'm OK with Buckner if Zeke is gone- but Ramsey will not make it past the Ravens.
BTW, Sashi has said they're confident a great prospect will be there at #8. As I've said, we already have 12 picks this year, do we really need more? The rumored trade up from the Dolphins is a net 250 points- meaning their third and a fifth. IMHO not worth it to pass on a potentially great player to take a flyer in the third round.
If Ramsey and Tunsil are both on the board?
If Ramsey and Tunsil are both on the board?
You mean for the Browns at #8? Very long odds of that Chris. Neither would get past the Ravens @ #6, and assuming San Diego doesn't trade out of #3, they will take the other.
I'd take Ramsey if there. But other than a sieve defense, the main problem Cleveland has is zero playmakers on offense. I'm sure not counting on Gordon getting reinstated in August. The only way the Browns would take Tunsil is if they can work out a trade for a first round pick in exchange for Joe Thomas. The way Hue has been talking, Joe is still in their plans.
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I meant for the ravens at #6 (you said no way they pass on Ramsey).
I can see us taking Tunsil, going with the ol' reliable method of building from the "inside out" or "ground up" or "trenches" or your cliche of choice. We have a need at RT, and Tunsil would take over for JT, when he retires after his long awaited superbowl win superbowl appearance playoff win playoff appearance in a few years. It would be tough to pick though, and as you say, unlikely. If we're looking at a draft that, entirely possibly, goes:
Rams - Wentz/Goff
Eagles - Goff/Wentz
SD - Buckner
Boys - Elliott
Jags - Bosa
Ravens - Buckner
49ers - Stanley/Lynch
...yeah, actually, that probably won't happen.
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I don't see a scenario where Tunsil or Ramsey is available at #8. I just can't. Tunsil looks like a damn gazelle running around as a left tackle. He's far too athletic to be that size, and he's going to be scooped up at the LATEST by the Ravens at 6.
Ramsey plays a position that typically isn't drafted too early, but he has a lot of appeal. He'd basically be like a new toy for any defensive coordinator, and he could line up all over the field. I will say this, if Ramsey is available at 8, we pick him and don't think twice. We lost both safeties, and we could use him immediately. And if he translates to corner, we could use him there too. I could really see the Cowboys drafting this guy, and I'd be happy for him. Playing for Dallas is a huge thrill for a young man.
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I meant for the ravens at #6 (you said no way they pass on Ramsey).
I can see us taking Tunsil, going with the ol' reliable method of building from the "inside out" or "ground up" or "trenches" or your cliche of choice. We have a need at RT, and Tunsil would take over for JT, when he retires after his long awaited superbowl win superbowl appearance playoff win playoff appearance in a few years. It would be tough to pick though, and as you say, unlikely. If we're looking at a draft that, entirely possibly, goes:
Rams - Wentz/Goff
Eagles - Goff/Wentz
SD - Buckner
Boys - Elliott
Jags - Bosa
Ravens - Buckner
49ers - Stanley/Lynch
...yeah, actually, that probably won't happen.
Whos the other Buckner?????I meant for the ravens at #6 (you said no way they pass on Ramsey).
I can see us taking Tunsil, going with the ol' reliable method of building from the "inside out" or "ground up" or "trenches" or your cliche of choice. We have a need at RT, and Tunsil would take over for JT, when he retires after his long awaited
superbowl win superbowl appearanceplayoff winplayoff appearance in a few years. It would be tough to pick though, and as you say, unlikely. If we're looking at a draft that, entirely possibly, goes:Rams - Wentz/Goff
Eagles - Goff/Wentz
SD - Buckner
Boys - Elliott
Jags - Bosa
Ravens - Buckner
49ers - Stanley/Lynch
...yeah, actually, that probably won't happen.
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