Corey Coleman !
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I think you don't judge the player in a vacuum, but in light of how our overall picks complement one another towards overall team needs. Jury far from in yet.
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I don't see him as a "#1 WR", but I DO see him as a weapon, and before him, we basically didn't have any at the WR position. Like, at all. In fact, our entire TEAM is somewhat void of weapons, but an argument can be made for Duke Johnson and Gary Barnidge...both players I like immensely. In fact, I think Hue Jackson is the perfect coach to get the most out of Duke and Gary, as well as Coleman.
I have to be honest, I wanted Treadwell with our pick. I wanted a red zone weapon, someone that would help us score points when we finally got close to pay dirt. We were awful in the red zone last year (don't remember our rank, but it HAD to be near the bottom), and drafting Coleman doesn't really help us TOO much in the red zone (in my opinion), but he does provide us with explosiveness...something we didn't have much of.
I don't care WHAT offense Coleman played in, 20 TD's in one year is just Retarded. And the thing I love is watching him catch the short pass, and turn it into a LONG gain! THAT'S what we need, and that's what he brings. The ability to take the ordinary, and make it extraordinary. We had a severe lack of people that can do that. And who knows? Maybe I'm dead wrong about the red zone thing. Perhaps his 40 inch vertical (40 damn inches!) will enable him to go up and grab some TD's! Coleman is certainly not a weak guy...he looks completely JACKED.
Speaking of "Jacked"...any way we can take Myles Jack with our next pick? I know we need starters NOW, and the Browns are probably the LAST team that can take a risk, but damn...
A potential playmaker on both defense AND offense with the first two picks? Oh, AND having two first round and two second rounders next year? Man...
I don't see him as a "#1 WR", but I DO see him as a weapon...be I'm dead wrong about the red zone thing. Perhaps his 40 inch vertical (40 damn inches!) will enable him to go up and grab some TD's! Coleman is certainly not a weak guy...he looks completely JACKED.
Good post...
Coleman's promise of taking the top off a D is something Hue prizes. And more than speed, he has enough of a route tree to be able to do that... arriving with roughly the same tree as it took Benji seasons to develop.
And I do see the difference between Coleman and Benji... understand they are not the same player. They are, however, filling the same role... perhaps roles, if CC returns punts.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Well, the "#1" wr on most pundit's lists... was Treadwell. He was drafted...fourth?
The fourth wr drafted. Think about that. The top listed Treadwell wasn't drafted
until pick 23. Surely there is a reason for that.
Terry Pluto said Treadwell was his favorite wr in the draft. Mine was actually
Mike Thomas up on high, and Mike Thomas, not even on the list, from S. Miss
I posted about above.
Pluto also said this:
"I asked Hue Jackson what he liked the most about Coleman"
"Touchdowns," said the Browns new coach.
In his article, he says "Football Outsiders (an analytics-based web site) gave Coleman
its highest "Playmaker Score" for 2016. "Because Baylor passed the ball only
389 times, Coleman scored a touchdown on 5.1 (percent) of Baylor's passes," wrote
Nathan Forster, "That's an incredibile ratio which has been topped by only four
elite college players: Randy Moss, Larry Fitzgerald, Dez Bryant and Demarylus Thomas..."
Look, all this as Baylor had four qb's injured, their offense was in a mess.
I didn't realize it, but the Browns drafted the best wr in this year's draft class.
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Well, the "#1" wr on most pundit's lists... was Treadwell. He was drafted...fourth?
The fourth wr drafted. Think about that. The top listed Treadwell wasn't drafted
until pick 23. Surely there is a reason for that.
Terry Pluto said Treadwell was his favorite wr in the draft. Mine was actually
Mike Thomas up on high, and Mike Thomas, not even on the list, from S. Miss
I posted about above.
Pluto also said this:
"I asked Hue Jackson what he liked the most about Coleman"
"Touchdowns," said the Browns new coach.
In his article, he says "Football Outsiders (an analytics-based web site) gave Coleman
its highest "Playmaker Score" for 2016. "Because Baylor passed the ball only
389 times, Coleman scored a touchdown on 5.1 (percent) of Baylor's passes," wrote
Nathan Forster, "That's an incredibile ratio which has been topped by only four
elite college players: Randy Moss, Larry Fitzgerald, Dez Bryant and Demarylus Thomas..."
Look, all this as Baylor had four qb's injured, their offense was in a mess.
I didn't realize it, but the Browns drafted the best wr in this year's draft class.
In his article, he says "Football Outsiders (an analytics-based web site) gave Coleman
its highest "Playmaker Score" for 2016. "Because Baylor passed the ball only
389 times, Coleman scored a touchdown on 5.1 (percent) of Baylor's passes," wrote
Nathan Forster, "That's an incredibile ratio which has been topped by only four
elite college players: Randy Moss, Larry Fitzgerald, Dez Bryant and Demarylus Thomas..."
Interesting
Touchdowns = On base percentage
moneyball
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In his article, he says "Football Outsiders (an analytics-based web site) gave Coleman
its highest "Playmaker Score" for 2016. "Because Baylor passed the ball only
389 times, Coleman scored a touchdown on 5.1 (percent) of Baylor's passes," wrote
Nathan Forster, "That's an incredibile ratio which has been topped by only four
elite college players: Randy Moss, Larry Fitzgerald, Dez Bryant and Demarylus Thomas..."
Interesting
Touchdowns = On base percentage
moneyball
Interesting
Touchdowns = On base percentage
moneyball
Got nothing on "yards per route"... is that even a thing?
From PFF's Round One Grades...
15. Cleveland Browns: Corey Coleman | Grade: A
(Pick acquired in trade with Tennessee Titans)
Our top receiver is off the board as Corey Coleman goes to Cleveland. He’s dynamic both before and after the catch, capable of separating as well as any receiver in the draft and then taking it to the house after he catches it. Coleman posted a ridiculous 4.88 yards per route (best in the nation) before a poor quarterback situation hurt his production. His 10 drops are cause for some concern, but not nearly enough to offset what he brings to the table as both a short and deep threat. Even with his limited experience running a number of routes in Baylor’s offense, Coleman has all of the skills to separate on any type of route once he transitions to the NFL.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Trade with Dallas and get Vince Mayle .....6.2" people moaning Coleman is not tall enough then get a WR with height ....maybe we can trade a 4th for him
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I don't see him as a "#1 WR", but I DO see him as a weapon...be I'm dead wrong about the red zone thing. Perhaps his 40 inch vertical (40 damn inches!) will enable him to go up and grab some TD's! Coleman is certainly not a weak guy...he looks completely JACKED.
Good post...
Coleman's promise of taking the top off a D is something Hue prizes. And more than speed, he has enough of a route tree to be able to do that... arriving with roughly the same tree as it took Benji seasons to develop.
And I do see the difference between Coleman and Benji... understand they are not the same player. They are, however, filling the same role... perhaps roles, if CC returns punts.
Good post...
Coleman's promise of taking the top off a D is something Hue prizes. And more than speed, he has enough of a route tree to be able to do that... arriving with roughly the same tree as it took Benji seasons to develop.
And I do see the difference between Coleman and Benji... understand they are not the same player. They are, however, filling the same role... perhaps roles, if CC returns punts.
Repost & highlight :
Strengths
Instant blur off the snap. Feet turn over at a blinding pace and he devours cushion before cornerbacks know what hit them. Able to get over the top of every corner he faced and demands safety help over the top. Works back to the ball. Explosive leaper with ability to climb ladder and win the 50/50 ball and body control to secure the acrobatic catch. Touchdown maker finishing 2015 with 20 receiving touchdowns. Smooth, speedy stems to the post will be difficult to mirror and match for NFL cornerbacks. Easy route adjustments in space. Defenders who try to jam and miss pay the iron price (touchdowns). Able to make tacklers miss in tight spaces. Has experience as ball carrier and punt returner. Heavily targeted (39 percent) in Baylor's high-flying attack.
Weaknesses
Does his best work from outside the numbers, but lacks desired NFL size to play outside. Allows cornerbacks to leverage him against the sideline on deep throws. Takes longer than expected to gear down for comeback routes after hitting top speed. Ran limited number of simple routes. Hands are a concern. Fails to catch away from his body. Dropped 10 passes for a drop rate of 11.9 percent. Loses focus and concentration on routes that work towards the middle of the field or when he senses defenders are closing in. Had sports hernia surgery that forced
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For those suggesting he's not a #1 receiver - based on what? Height? Weight? And how do you define a #1 receiver?
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For those suggesting he's not a #1 receiver - based on what? Height? Weight? And how do you define a #1 receiver?
For those suggesting he's not a #1 receiver - based on what? Height? Weight? And how do you define a #1 receiver?
He is not over 6 feet tall ....automatically means he sucks .....
How many of these would you have taken in their prime...they all have one thing in common
http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2015/09/07/top-6-best-nfl-wrs-5-foot-10-and-under/
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the more time i have to think about it the more i'm on board with this pick. WR was a huge need, and the Browns got a solid one. Can't wait to see how Coleman does in the NFL
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the more time i have to think about it the more i'm on board with this pick. WR was a huge need, and the Browns got a solid one. Can't wait to see how Coleman does in the NFL
the more time i have to think about it the more i'm on board with this pick. WR was a huge need, and the Browns got a solid one. Can't wait to see how Coleman does in the NFL
Yeah, WR was a big need without a doubt.
My only concern is our 1st Round Draft record of picking busts . . .
Well, we got 12 more picks coming, let's see what they do.
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Love reading the Boards complaints. My opinion, which means jack squat. I think this guy is a terrific talent. Most wr's are not fully developed for 2-3 years anyway, So first, you cant teach speed the speed this kid has. Second, he is bulit to take some hits, not catch it and fall to the ground. Some people say he replaces Benji, I disagree. I think we upgraded from him. Benji was built like a skinny rail, CC is built like a beast. Also, People act as if he were 1inch taller, it would make a diffrence, look and see how many wr's are in the top 15 in the league who are 5' 11". Good thing they wear cleats and that should make him almost 6' 1". He may be great or suck. We didnt reach for him like we usually do, we got more valuable picks for this and next year.
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For those suggesting he's not a #1 receiver - based on what? Height? Weight? And how do you define a #1 receiver?
For those suggesting he's not a #1 receiver - based on what? Height? Weight? And how do you define a #1 receiver?
Complete route tree. Polished WR able to step into feature role Game 1 irregardless of pro system. They don't grow on trees, but you can grow them.
Just not what I see now. Doesn't mean he's not a seedling...
- Some people say he replaces Benji, I disagree.
- I think we upgraded from him.
1. I think fills Benji's role.
2. Rookie to rookie comparison? No doubt, an upgrade. But seasoned Benji to rookie CC? A continuation with added upside.
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Something I forgot to add.
We forget (myself included) that Hue was not in charge of Cincy's Draft.
Doubtless he had input, but he was the OC, not the GM or HC.
He still may not have total say, but I would think he has a whole lot more input than he had at Cincy.
I had heard and thought that Treadwell was going to be their target, but I didn't take into account that Hue likes Team Speed.
I think Coleman reflects this, and may be an indicator of the types of players Hue is going to focus on.
Addendum:
Hadn't seen this posted - http://fanpass.nfl.com/story/831/draft-diary-corey-coleman-is-cleveland-s-guy
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His size isn't too much of a concern.
What is a concern is 17 drops over the last 2 seasons.
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Interesting
Touchdowns = On base percentage
moneyball
Got nothing on "yards per route"... is that even a thing?
From PFF's Round One Grades...
15. Cleveland Browns: Corey Coleman | Grade: A
(Pick acquired in trade with Tennessee Titans)
Our top receiver is off the board as Corey Coleman goes to Cleveland. He’s dynamic both before and after the catch, capable of separating as well as any receiver in the draft and then taking it to the house after he catches it. Coleman posted a ridiculous 4.88 yards per route (best in the nation) before a poor quarterback situation hurt his production. His 10 drops are cause for some concern, but not nearly enough to offset what he brings to the table as both a short and deep threat. Even with his limited experience running a number of routes in Baylor’s offense, Coleman has all of the skills to separate on any type of route once he transitions to the NFL.
Got nothing on "yards per route"... is that even a thing?
From PFF's Round One Grades...
15. Cleveland Browns: Corey Coleman | Grade: A
(Pick acquired in trade with Tennessee Titans)
Our top receiver is off the board as Corey Coleman goes to Cleveland. He’s dynamic both before and after the catch, capable of separating as well as any receiver in the draft and then taking it to the house after he catches it. Coleman posted a ridiculous 4.88 yards per route (best in the nation) before a poor quarterback situation hurt his production. His 10 drops are cause for some concern, but not nearly enough to offset what he brings to the table as both a short and deep threat. Even with his limited experience running a number of routes in Baylor’s offense, Coleman has all of the skills to separate on any type of route once he transitions to the NFL.
We just need to get him some of this undetectable stickum they use.
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Team speed is what Al Davis became obsessed with.
You can't teach speed, but as we've seen - you can't teach hands either.
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Team speed is what Al Davis became obsessed with.
You can't teach speed, but as we've seen - you can't teach hands either.
Team speed is what Al Davis became obsessed with.
You can't teach speed, but as we've seen - you can't teach hands either.
I think that depends on what the problem is. If it's coordination - eyes/hands, true.
If it's technique, not true. Jerry Rice says he practiced for hours to learn to be great at it.
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Something I forgot to add.
We forget (myself included) that Hue was not in charge of Cincy's Draft.
Doubtless he had input, but he was the OC, not the GM or HC.
He still may not have total say, but I would think he has a whole lot more input than he had at Cincy.
I had heard and thought that Treadwell was going to be their target, but I didn't take into account that Hue likes Team Speed.
I think Coleman reflects this, and may be an indicator of the types of players Hue is going to focus on.
Addendum:
Hadn't seen this posted - http://fanpass.nfl.com/story/831/draft-diary-corey-coleman-is-cleveland-s-guy
Something I forgot to add.
We forget (myself included) that Hue was not in charge of Cincy's Draft.
Doubtless he had input, but he was the OC, not the GM or HC.
He still may not have total say, but I would think he has a whole lot more input than he had at Cincy.
I had heard and thought that Treadwell was going to be their target, but I didn't take into account that Hue likes Team Speed.
I think Coleman reflects this, and may be an indicator of the types of players Hue is going to focus on.
Addendum:
Hadn't seen this posted - http://fanpass.nfl.com/story/831/draft-diary-corey-coleman-is-cleveland-s-guy
Man, that video is inspiring - hadn't seen that one !!! This kid is a winner pick !
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CC is a blue chip. I'm excited!
I can't imagine the Havoc if Gordon gets reinstated... RG3, Gordon and Coleman= nasty.
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