So we gave up the chance to draft Wentz, Zeke, Ramsey, etc
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Dump for Deshawn is good by itself.
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Hey we got a pair of Colemans... that's something...
WR lovers ought to still be dancing. I'm a SHOT guy and I'm OK with the pick and the trade downs.
Problem is most of you still think in terms of winning now... not the SB, but "just some games".
Wake the fuck up! This is a tank of a season coming our way. Our goal is the #1 overall in 2017. If we don't earn it by losing more than everyone up, then we are loaded as hell to buy it.
Exactly. I keep seeing idiots on my local Browns Backers facebook page posting stuff like "well after THIS move we won't win crap this year." I'm just like "really, THIS is the one that made you realize it?" Anyway, I do my best to tell them the corner-turning on this rebuild will be 2018.
We need all hands on deck to prevent another houseclearing-causing mutiny from fans desperate for cheap wins.
Exactly. I keep seeing idiots on my local Browns Backers facebook page posting stuff like "well after THIS move we won't win crap this year." I'm just like "really, THIS is the one that made you realize it?" Anyway, I do my best to tell them the corner-turning on this rebuild will be 2018.
We need all hands on deck to prevent another houseclearing-causing mutiny from fans desperate for cheap wins.
That's exactly it- and being a little closer to NE Ohio- I can tell you this- the hardcore fans are out of patience, and the casual fans just don't give a shit anymore.
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Or take some other sucker to the cleaners when they fall in love with Watson.
WSS
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Or take some other sucker to the cleaners when they fall in love with Watson.
WSS
Or take some other sucker to the cleaners when they fall in love with Watson.
WSS
That could also happen.
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this is just ANOTHER tank season in a list of tank seasons since kosar and co. played in the AFC championship games in the 80s.
sure. they didn't call them tanks seasons because they were actually trying to win but through piss-poor management, coaching and drafting that's all a browns fan has seen in 3 fucking plus decades. now haslam has some late-night visit from god and he tells him to hire the cast offs from UniverSoul Circus to come in, wipe the slates clean and do their version of the hippety hop and we, as a fan base who have been through the holmgren fiasco, the chris palmer 'offensive genius/qb guru' (sound familiar) and butch davis 'defensive genius' and a plethora of other bumbling fools that we just buy into another rebuild like that's what we do? love this org. hate the way it's managed. love the fan base here. but when does it become just alright to be a loser? tour hoorta and the rest, i give you credit for being so upbeat but in the end if nothing has changed (which i seriously doubt it will have after watching this draft so far) i don't find it a good thing when people are standing above your tombstone and it reads 'a diehard browns fan' and all people can say is 'well he was a loyal loser.'
don't worry i'll pour a nice chianti over your graves. should make you feel better.
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I hear ya mik, I really do, but grading our - or any teams' - draft right now is completely unrealistic. There isn't a person on the planet that knows how any of these kids will play. To be fair, we should give these kids at least a snap or two before we declare them busts.
It's the same old shit every year in regards to the draft. All of these gurus in the media proclaim who the best players are. On top of that, many forum members proclaim who the best players are. Then we are all conditioned by where these players are "ranked" for months.
Yes, the past Browns' drafts have sucked serious ass, no doubt about it, but this current group of people never took a single player in those drafts. They need to be given some rope and the time to see if they will build a bridge, or hang themselves.
You can quote this next sentence for later use, and in fact, maybe I'll put it as my sig:
The Browns will surprise a lot of people in 2016, they'll be competitive and chase 8-8 all year long........ Book it - D Bone 4/30/16
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this is just ANOTHER tank season in a list of tank seasons since kosar and co. played in the AFC championship games in the 80s.
sure. they didn't call them tanks seasons because they were actually trying to win but through piss-poor management, coaching and drafting that's all a browns fan has seen in 3 fucking plus decades. now haslam has some late-night visit from god and he tells him to hire the cast offs from UniverSoul Circus to come in, wipe the slates clean and do their version of the hippety hop and we, as a fan base who have been through the holmgren fiasco, the chris palmer 'offensive genius/qb guru' (sound familiar) and butch davis 'defensive genius' and a plethora of other bumbling fools that we just buy into another rebuild like that's what we do? love this org. hate the way it's managed. love the fan base here. but when does it become just alright to be a loser? tour hoorta and the rest, i give you credit for being so upbeat but in the end if nothing has changed (which i seriously doubt it will have after watching this draft so far) i don't find it a good thing when people are standing above your tombstone and it reads 'a diehard browns fan' and all people can say is 'well he was a loyal loser.'
don't worry i'll pour a nice chianti over your graves. should make you feel better.
Kessler was a rough pick, otherwise they are having one of the better drafts. Sooooo many draft picks this year and next. No one was going to come in via this draft and propel the team smack into the super bowl race. It's about BUILDING a team to win eventually and it seems like Jackson has made ALL the moves to make that possible. I see ZERO reason to be a pessimist other than the iffy Kessler pick. If anything he has huge hands, he just has a weak arm. You may see dink and dunk time in Cleveland even with rg3.this is just ANOTHER tank season in a list of tank seasons since kosar and co. played in the AFC championship games in the 80s.
sure. they didn't call them tanks seasons because they were actually trying to win but through piss-poor management, coaching and drafting that's all a browns fan has seen in 3 fucking plus decades. now haslam has some late-night visit from god and he tells him to hire the cast offs from UniverSoul Circus to come in, wipe the slates clean and do their version of the hippety hop and we, as a fan base who have been through the holmgren fiasco, the chris palmer 'offensive genius/qb guru' (sound familiar) and butch davis 'defensive genius' and a plethora of other bumbling fools that we just buy into another rebuild like that's what we do? love this org. hate the way it's managed. love the fan base here. but when does it become just alright to be a loser? tour hoorta and the rest, i give you credit for being so upbeat but in the end if nothing has changed (which i seriously doubt it will have after watching this draft so far) i don't find it a good thing when people are standing above your tombstone and it reads 'a diehard browns fan' and all people can say is 'well he was a loyal loser.'
don't worry i'll pour a nice chianti over your graves. should make you feel better.
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I can't believe some of you guys aren't over the moon about these trade downs. Coleman was for a lot of people that best receiver in the draft. No one knows how he will turn out for sure BUT his comparison that I've seen most is Steve Smith (SR). Beyond that though and more importantly the Browns have more holes than just what pick 8 or pick 2 would have rectified and your team is now LOADED with draft picks. Hue seems to know what he's doing. The complainers need to get their heads out of their asses.
Fair enough. But just one point: the reason we are not over the moon is because we have been here before with trade downs, trade ups....and they all have not seemed to work out. Trade down for Phil Taylor, up for TR, down for Gilbert, up for JMZ, up for Erving etc etc. We will jump over that moon when some of these guys make the Pro Bowl....or get us into the playoffs. Until then we must temper our enthusiasm. Disappointment makes one suspicious.
Even lower round stuff......yinzers take WR in round 6 that becomes an all pro, we take a guy in round 4 that can 't make it out of training camp. You get the picture?
Fair enough. But just one point: the reason we are not over the moon is because we have been here before with trade downs, trade ups....and they all have not seemed to work out. Trade down for Phil Taylor, up for TR, down for Gilbert, up for JMZ, up for Erving etc etc. We will jump over that moon when some of these guys make the Pro Bowl....or get us into the playoffs. Until then we must temper our enthusiasm. Disappointment makes one suspicious.
Even lower round stuff......yinzers take WR in round 6 that becomes an all pro, we take a guy in round 4 that can 't make it out of training camp. You get the picture?
Of course we get the picture. A study in the Washington Post.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/sports/nfl-draft-history/
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I hear ya mik, I really do, but grading our - or any teams' - draft right now is completely unrealistic. There isn't a person on the planet that knows how any of these kids will play. To be fair, we should give these kids at least a snap or two before we declare them busts.
It's the same old shit every year in regards to the draft. All of these gurus in the media proclaim who the best players are. On top of that, many forum members proclaim who the best players are. Then we are all conditioned by where these players are "ranked" for months.
Yes, the past Browns' drafts have sucked serious ass, no doubt about it, but this current group of people never took a single player in those drafts. They need to be given some rope and the time to see if they will build a bridge, or hang themselves.
You can quote this next sentence for later use, and in fact, maybe I'll put it as my sig:
The Browns will surprise a lot of people in 2016, they'll be competitive and chase 8-8 all year long........ Book it - D Bone 4/30/16
I hear ya mik, I really do, but grading our - or any teams' - draft right now is completely unrealistic. There isn't a person on the planet that knows how any of these kids will play. To be fair, we should give these kids at least a snap or two before we declare them busts.
It's the same old shit every year in regards to the draft. All of these gurus in the media proclaim who the best players are. On top of that, many forum members proclaim who the best players are. Then we are all conditioned by where these players are "ranked" for months.
Yes, the past Browns' drafts have sucked serious ass, no doubt about it, but this current group of people never took a single player in those drafts. They need to be given some rope and the time to see if they will build a bridge, or hang themselves.
You can quote this next sentence for later use, and in fact, maybe I'll put it as my sig:
The Browns will surprise a lot of people in 2016, they'll be competitive and chase 8-8 all year long........ Book it - D Bone 4/30/16
actually cheered me up. needed it.
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Gotta say that I was not in the draft a QB #2 camp but after this head scratcher I'd signup for Went in a heartbeat
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that's where it all fell apart for me.
get the QB dammit. you still had a shit load of picks.....but given what i've seen so far......uh.....
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Absolutely, just told son this guy is our Antonio Brown. Beyond that they have managed pick acquisition masterfully.Benjamin was a slot at best and wanted too much money. Coleman is the same size as Antonio Brown and has blazing speed.
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Fair enough. But just one point: the reason we are not over the moon is because we have been here before with trade downs, trade ups....and they all have not seemed to work out. Trade down for Phil Taylor, up for TR, down for Gilbert, up for JMZ, up for Erving etc etc. We will jump over that moon when some of these guys make the Pro Bowl....or get us into the playoffs. Until then we must temper our enthusiasm. Disappointment makes one suspicious.
Even lower round stuff......yinzers take WR in round 6 that becomes an all pro, we take a guy in round 4 that can 't make it out of training camp. You get the picture?
Of course we get the picture. A study in the Washington Post.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/sports/nfl-draft-history/
Of course we get the picture. A study in the Washington Post.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/sports/nfl-draft-history/
Great link, and no surprise the Browns have stunk. FWIW, the Hoorta was all over taking LaDanian Tomlinson back when.
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Exactly. I keep seeing idiots on my local Browns Backers facebook page posting stuff like "well after THIS move we won't win crap this year." I'm just like "really, THIS is the one that made you realize it?" Anyway, I do my best to tell them the corner-turning on this rebuild will be 2018.
We need all hands on deck to prevent another houseclearing-causing mutiny from fans desperate for cheap wins.
That's exactly it- and being a little closer to NE Ohio- I can tell you this- the hardcore fans are out of patience, and the casual fans just don't give a shit anymore.
That's exactly it- and being a little closer to NE Ohio- I can tell you this- the hardcore fans are out of patience, and the casual fans just don't give a shit anymore.
Long about November we pool our money and start buying all the PSL's we can...
Double our money in two years... maybe less...
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