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  • T The Cysko Kid

    @clevfan4life said:

    Than that's that. If people misuse social netting that's on them. But that doesn't negate the concept because some people do this. I think it's terribly generalizing to say all poor people are irresponsible with their money.

    Yeah? Show me some poor people that aren't irresponsible with their money.

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    @the-cysko-kid said:

    Yeah? Show me some poor people that aren't irresponsible with their money.

    I'm sure there are some, but the percentage is probably low.

    "And they don't really know even what they're talkin' about And I can't imagine what empty heads can achieve."
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      My aunt's husband left her with four kids ages 12-3 and she fell on real hard times. They knew what it was to be poor. Yet she buckled down and spent what money she did have wisely and climbed out of that back to middle class status. People who are perennially poor are irresponsible with money. It is what it is.

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        LogicIsForSquaresL LogicIsForSquares wrote on last edited by
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        When I was real young, my parents struggled with money. We were really poor. However, my dad busted his ass and was good with money. By the time I graduated highschool, we were firmly middle class and lived in a house that we owned. My dad was able to retire early because of how well he ended up managing his money/real estate.

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          When I was real young, my parents struggled with money. We were really poor. However, my dad busted his ass and was good with money. By the time I graduated highschool, we were firmly middle class and lived in a house that we owned. My dad was able to retire early because of how well he ended up managing his money/real estate.

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          DieHardBrownsFanD DieHardBrownsFan wrote on last edited by
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          @logicisforsquares said:

          When I was real young, my parents struggled with money. We were really poor. However, my dad busted his ass and was good with money. By the time I graduated highschool, we were firmly middle class and lived in a house that we owned. My dad was able to retire early because of how well he ended up managing his money/real estate.

          I come from a poor family also. My Dad worked his ass off but never made good money. Worked in the Flats which ultimately I'm sure caused his death by Lung Cancer.

          "You planning on having a long relationship with that glass or are you going to drink it? Drink up, man. Maybe we can get another.” - Janis Joplin, 1970.
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            I come from a poor family as well because my dad was a lazy ass. Ya I said it, he was a lazy MFer. I grew up to hate him and his ways of coning church goers into giving money and behind closed doors seen how it really was. I moved out when I was young and went to school.

            Now I sit here wanting more money but when I look around it could've been a lot worse. Think about if you were born in a different country where they don't even have running water.

            Now to the topic fuck no don't give anybody 10 grand. For what? So they can smoke it up and then what program is out there that helps them after that?

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              Chris I've been thinking this over for a while and decided that I don't like the basic 10% giveaway. As I've said before I have no problem with a safety net for those on the bottom but just to hand it out no questions asked takes away the slightest bit of incentive in my opinion. Not only that but cement the feeling of entitlement, and the resentment that would probably lead to.

              It's not even a cost effectiveness issue just basic human pride.

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                Chris I've been thinking this over for a while and decided that I don't like the basic 10% giveaway. As I've said before I have no problem with a safety net for those on the bottom but just to hand it out no questions asked takes away the slightest bit of incentive in my opinion. Not only that but cement the feeling of entitlement, and the resentment that would probably lead to.

                It's not even a cost effectiveness issue just basic human pride.

                WSS

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                @westside-steve said:

                Chris I've been thinking this over for a while and decided that I don't like the basic 10% giveaway. As I've said before I have no problem with a safety net for those on the bottom but just to hand it out no questions asked takes away the slightest bit of incentive in my opinion. Not only that but cement the feeling of entitlement, and the resentment that would probably lead to.

                It's not even a cost effectiveness issue just basic human pride.

                WSS

                I can see what you're saying, and I understand that. What I would be interested in knowing is, how much can you get from the system if you just sit at home, do nothing, have, say, 4 kids, and mooch?

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                  gftChrisG gftChris wrote on last edited by
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                  Quick test says it's around $700 per month, so $8400 per year, in SNAP benefits alone.

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                    @westside-steve said:

                    Chris I've been thinking this over for a while and decided that I don't like the basic 10% giveaway. As I've said before I have no problem with a safety net for those on the bottom but just to hand it out no questions asked takes away the slightest bit of incentive in my opinion. Not only that but cement the feeling of entitlement, and the resentment that would probably lead to.

                    It's not even a cost effectiveness issue just basic human pride.

                    WSS

                    I can see what you're saying, and I understand that. What I would be interested in knowing is, how much can you get from the system if you just sit at home, do nothing, have, say, 4 kids, and mooch?

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                    @gftchris said:

                    I can see what you're saying, and I understand that. What I would be interested in knowing is, how much can you get from the system if you just sit at home, do nothing, have, say, 4 kids, and mooch?

                    I don't know for sure.

                    Two of my tenants are on disability and they get 750 bucks a month plus food stamps and Medicaid and and an energy program is available. I'm not sure how much extra ADC chips in if they were women with children.

                    Both these guys are adult men and didn't grow up exactly in a culture of welfare.

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                      @gftchris said:

                      I can see what you're saying, and I understand that. What I would be interested in knowing is, how much can you get from the system if you just sit at home, do nothing, have, say, 4 kids, and mooch?

                      I don't know for sure.

                      Two of my tenants are on disability and they get 750 bucks a month plus food stamps and Medicaid and and an energy program is available. I'm not sure how much extra ADC chips in if they were women with children.

                      Both these guys are adult men and didn't grow up exactly in a culture of welfare.

                      WSS

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                      @westside-steve said:

                      I don't know for sure.

                      Two of my tenants are on disability and they get 750 bucks a month plus food stamps and Medicaid and and an energy program is available. I'm not sure how much extra ADC chips in if they were women with children.

                      Both these guys are adult men and didn't grow up exactly in a culture of welfare.

                      WSS

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                      If they were illegal immigrants they would get a new home, new car, 3 times the social security income and free health care

                      damn if you were here as an illegal you won the lottery

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