"Crow and Duke as good as I've seen in a while."
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As I have said before, the Browns have "hidden talent" that our previous coaching staff either DIDN'T coach and/or didn't utilize properly. Combine the talent acquired this off season with holdovers AND the solid, experienced coaching staff we now have & we will move forward.
Remember the 3 games where Duke did very well in the 1st half of each? In those SAME 3 games, he had a TOTAL of ONE touch in those 3 second halves. That certainly won't happen under Hue & Staff.
Mike
As I have said before, the Browns have "hidden talent" that our previous coaching staff either DIDN'T coach and/or didn't utilize properly. Combine the talent acquired this off season with holdovers AND the solid, experienced coaching staff we now have & we will move forward.
Remember the 3 games where Duke did very well in the 1st half of each? In those SAME 3 games, he had a TOTAL of ONE touch in those 3 second halves. That certainly won't happen under Hue & Staff.
Mike
Well said Old LegHumper. Now get us to that first team scrimmage. We got lots of questions for MKC
Oh never mind!! My rumor was we were still looking to trade her down in the 8th round 
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For example look what Az is doing at RB. They have Brian Johnson and Andre Ellington. Then as a vet RB that have Chris Johnson. It makes for a good rotation.
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It makes for a good rotation.
with very little production.
the browns haven't run the ball well since hillis. and that was a fluke (cough roids cough). good luck with 'can't hit the hole crow' and 'misdirect duke' and whoever else they think will gain 2 yds a clip.
run. run. pass. punt.
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One Post From the Truth said:
It makes for a good rotation.
with very little production.
the browns haven't run the ball well since hillis. and that was a fluke (cough roids cough). good luck with 'can't hit the hole crow' and 'misdirect duke' and whoever else they think will gain 2 yds a clip.
run. run. pass. punt.
with very little production.
the browns haven't run the ball well since hillis. and that was a fluke (cough roids cough). good luck with 'can't hit the hole crow' and 'misdirect duke' and whoever else they think will gain 2 yds a clip.
run. run. pass. punt.
Yep and by August we will have talked our way into the Superbowl.
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I am just going to wait and see. Not sure what I think yet; but, I do miss Vickers. Vickers was at least half the reason we had a run game before. What do we have for a fullback now? Yeah, nothing to talk about.
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For the 27156th time: The run game sucked last year because of the FB and TE positions.
Fixing those is the key to the entire offense. The OL itself is not - and will not be - the problem.
"When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." Paul Brown -
For the 27156th time: The run game sucked last year because of the FB and TE positions.
Fixing those is the key to the entire offense. The OL itself is not - and will not be - the problem.
You only Have 1,283 posts. 27,156 means that you have taken all your post into redundancy. Lol joking of course. Hey man come to think of it you have a really good point. But however in certain situations a team needs experienced RBs touching the ball.For the 27156th time: The run game sucked last year because of the FB and TE positions.
Fixing those is the key to the entire offense. The OL itself is not - and will not be - the problem.
Goal line situations
Running out the clock
Blocking blitzes
I don't believe in Fullbacks. It's a pass happy league now. Maybe in '93 get Mike Alstott!
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Alfred Morris signs with the Cowboys then the Cowboys draft Zeke. Also Murray gets traded to the Titans and the Titans then draft Henry. I say one of these two (Murray and Morris) get cut or are now in the trade market. It wouldn't take too much.
I don't think Hue and the gang is worried about the RB position. He has Crow, Duke, and Terrell Watson (a kid Hue brought over from the Bengals). Bringing in guys who have a ton of miles on them doesn't make much sense on a rebuilding team.
I don't think Hue and the gang is worried about the RB position. He has Crow, Duke, and Terrell Watson (a kid Hue brought over from the Bengals). Bringing in guys who have a ton of miles on them doesn't make much sense on a rebuilding team.
Also doesn't currently make sense to take RBs high and put miles on them early in a rebuild.
For the 27156th time: The run game sucked last year because of the FB and TE positions.
True, but our 2015 OL kicked in its share of individual failures as well. It was a perfect storm of ineptitude.
Crow and Duke are decent, but we have to get them into the secondary where they have a chance of winning 1-on-1's. In 2015 they rarely made it past the LBs.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
For the 27156th time: The run game sucked last year because of the FB and TE positions.
Fixing those is the key to the entire offense. The OL itself is not - and will not be - the problem.
For the 27156th time: The run game sucked last year because of the FB and TE positions.
Fixing those is the key to the entire offense. The OL itself is not - and will not be - the problem.
Didn't we pick up a UDFA fullback? Will he be any better? Malcolm Johnson could be gonzo anyway because he just isn't this new staffs guy.
When is the last time the Browns had a killer blocking fullback?
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I'm so sick of fans putting so much stock and praise over goddamn UDFA's. Yes every now and again one will emerge and become a star. It's not uncommon to see one make the team as a special teams guy or become a solid backup. But damn give us a break on the stock of UDFA's that we get.
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For the 27156th time: The run game sucked last year because of the FB and TE positions.
Fixing those is the key to the entire offense. The OL itself is not - and will not be - the problem.
Didn't we pick up a UDFA fullback? Will he be any better? Malcolm Johnson could be gonzo anyway because he just isn't this new staffs guy.
When is the last time the Browns had a killer blocking fullback?
Fullback? Why don't we just run the ol Air Force wishbone offense? While we're at it we can muster up some .....oh never mind.Didn't we pick up a UDFA fullback? Will he be any better? Malcolm Johnson could be gonzo anyway because he just isn't this new staffs guy.
When is the last time the Browns had a killer blocking fullback?
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I don't think Hue and the gang is worried about the RB position. He has Crow, Duke, and Terrell Watson (a kid Hue brought over from the Bengals). Bringing in guys who have a ton of miles on them doesn't make much sense on a rebuilding team.
Also doesn't currently make sense to take RBs high and put miles on them early in a rebuild.
For the 27156th time: The run game sucked last year because of the FB and TE positions.
True, but our 2015 OL kicked in its share of individual failures as well. It was a perfect storm of ineptitude.
Crow and Duke are decent, but we have to get them into the secondary where they have a chance of winning 1-on-1's. In 2015 they rarely made it past the LBs.
True, but our 2015 OL kicked in its share of individual failures as well. It was a perfect storm of ineptitude.
Crow and Duke are decent, but we have to get them into the secondary where they have a chance of winning 1-on-1's. In 2015 they rarely made it past the LBs.
This coming from T might have stung just a little bit. But it's the damn truth. Hog Mollie's can win football Games. A fresh Defense, can be your best defense. O'Neil never had a clue..
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For the 27156th time: The run game sucked last year because of the FB and TE positions.
Fixing those is the key to the entire offense. The OL itself is not - and will not be - the problem.
Didn't we pick up a UDFA fullback? Will he be any better? Malcolm Johnson could be gonzo anyway because he just isn't this new staffs guy.
When is the last time the Browns had a killer blocking fullback?
Didn't we pick up a UDFA fullback? Will he be any better? Malcolm Johnson could be gonzo anyway because he just isn't this new staffs guy.
When is the last time the Browns had a killer blocking fullback?
Lawrence Vickers. Actually it was the year Peyton Hillis had his monster year. They let Vickers walk and Hillis disappeared the next season. Coincidence? I think not.
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For the 27156th time: The run game sucked last year because of the FB and TE positions.
Fixing those is the key to the entire offense. The OL itself is not - and will not be - the problem.
Didn't we pick up a UDFA fullback? Will he be any better? Malcolm Johnson could be gonzo anyway because he just isn't this new staffs guy.
When is the last time the Browns had a killer blocking fullback?
Didn't we pick up a UDFA fullback? Will he be any better? Malcolm Johnson could be gonzo anyway because he just isn't this new staffs guy.
UDFA- FB-Patrick Skov, a good one from Georgia Tech. 2 TE's that could see dual duties at FB- JP Holtz from Pitt & I luv me some Seth DeValve already from Princeton. Of course, if DeValve is cut I look forward to the Princeton addition to our Harvard FO. Go Tigers!!
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Didn't we pick up a UDFA fullback? Will he be any better? Malcolm Johnson could be gonzo anyway because he just isn't this new staffs guy.
UDFA- FB-Patrick Skov, a good one from Georgia Tech. 2 TE's that could see dual duties at FB- JP Holtz from Pitt & I luv me some Seth DeValve already from Princeton. Of course, if DeValve is cut I look forward to the Princeton addition to our Harvard FO. Go Tigers!!
When he gets cut in August we'll never hear of him again.UDFA- FB-Patrick Skov, a good one from Georgia Tech. 2 TE's that could see dual duties at FB- JP Holtz from Pitt & I luv me some Seth DeValve already from Princeton. Of course, if DeValve is cut I look forward to the Princeton addition to our Harvard FO. Go Tigers!!
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All I know is that we were a bit optimistic for Crowell after he showed potential but was not used correctly and has fallen off of the map. Hopefully, Crow and Johnson can make a rebirth under Hue Jackson. There is probably a better chance of this under Hue than there was under Pettine since Hue has a better system that makes RBs look better.
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didn't someone say that a good RB doesn't need a great OL? then why, when given the ball, do our RBs look like dog doo doo on a hot summer's day?
man if given that criteria zeke will run for 3k yards this year in dallas..............and we'll still have run, run, pass and punt.
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If anyone said a good RB doesn't need a great OL, they're wrong.
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If anyone said a good RB doesn't need a great OL, they're wrong.
and they haven't played Madden.
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It's not unlike the 'great QB's make great receivers' and vice versa argument. Theyre meant to compliment one another.
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