Kessler
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I'm excited for Hue Jackson to work with Kessler, but I'm more excited to see him work with RG III. Seems to me that people have forgotten what RG III did as a rookie, and for some part, what he did in his second season. I don't hear people talking about RG III's accuracy, which as we know, is something Hue Jackson places a heavy importance on.
Kessler won't "wow" anybody throwing the ball, but if he is truly has the skill set that Hue says he has, it will be interesting to see him play in the preseason. Can he make the pre-snap reads? Does he have enough speed to elude the rush? Can he hit our WR's in stride? I don't need to see him "blow up" in the preseason or anything, but I do want to see some of what he is known for. I want to see him take care of the ball, get the ball out quickly, and display that pinpoint accuracy. I very seriously doubt Kessler has any chance to beat out RG III, or even McCown for that matter, but he's not supposed to. He's supposed to come in a learn at first, and hopefully we don't need him.
My thing is, how is RG III supposed to beat out McCown? McCown isn't the "be all, end all" talent or anything, but it's not like he's awful. He barely had a running game and had the three stooges for WR's, and the guy STILL found a way to keep us in some ball games. He's also tough as nails, and people like the guy. In some ways, I'd love to see McCown get traded to the Broncos so he has a chance to play for a terrific defense, and our QB competition isn't as murky. I can see it now, and I don't like it: "McCown and RG III look about dead even, so who will start?!" I see this being the storyline of our team ALL YEAR. RG III has two bad games and then gets yanked. McCown comes in and loses a few games. We go back to RG III and it...
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Jets are more likely than Broncos I think.
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I'm excited for Hue Jackson to work with Kessler, but I'm more excited to see him work with RG III. Seems to me that people have forgotten what RG III did as a rookie, and for some part, what he did in his second season. I don't hear people talking about RG III's accuracy, which as we know, is something Hue Jackson places a heavy importance on.
Kessler won't "wow" anybody throwing the ball, but if he is truly has the skill set that Hue says he has, it will be interesting to see him play in the preseason. Can he make the pre-snap reads? Does he have enough speed to elude the rush? Can he hit our WR's in stride? I don't need to see him "blow up" in the preseason or anything, but I do want to see some of what he is known for. I want to see him take care of the ball, get the ball out quickly, and display that pinpoint accuracy. I very seriously doubt Kessler has any chance to beat out RG III, or even McCown for that matter, but he's not supposed to. He's supposed to come in a learn at first, and hopefully we don't need him.
My thing is, how is RG III supposed to beat out McCown? McCown isn't the "be all, end all" talent or anything, but it's not like he's awful. He barely had a running game and had the three stooges for WR's, and the guy STILL found a way to keep us in some ball games. He's also tough as nails, and people like the guy. In some ways, I'd love to see McCown get traded to the Broncos so he has a chance to play for a terrific defense, and our QB competition isn't as murky. I can see it now, and I don't like it: "McCown and RG III look about dead even, so who will start?!" I see this being the storyline of our team ALL YEAR. RG III has two bad games and then gets yanked. McCown comes in and loses a few games. We go back to RG III and it...
I'm excited for Hue Jackson to work with Kessler, but I'm more excited to see him work with RG III. Seems to me that people have forgotten what RG My thing is, how is RG III supposed to beat out McCown?
Not all "competitions" are created equal.
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Kessler is 6'1" 225lbs...much thicker/wider than expected. i think his arm will get stronger over time while he hopefully keeps his accuracy. hoping his body is dense enough that he may actually be able to take the AFCN's punishment.
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I'm excited for Hue Jackson to work with Kessler, but I'm more excited to see him work with RG III. Seems to me that people have forgotten what RG My thing is, how is RG III supposed to beat out McCown?
Not all "competitions" are created equal.
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Kessler is 6'1" 225lbs...much thicker/wider than expected. i think his arm will get stronger over time while he hopefully keeps his accuracy. hoping his body is dense enough that he may actually be able to take the AFCN's punishment.
much thicker/wider than expected.
just the way you like 'them' i've heard.
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much thicker/wider than expected.
just the way you like 'them' i've heard.
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I think it is just good for us that we have three QBs that are talked about for competition as the Brown's starter. I don't think Kessler will be ready by the start of this season; but, I guess you never know for sure. Having RG III and McCown as our first and second string (if they can prove themselves to Hue) is not a bad thing to me. I mean, when is the last time one of our QBs made it through a whole season without getting injured and our backup had to start at least a few games. I think, best case scenario, having RG III and McCown as first and second with Kessler or whoever beats him out as our third stringer is a good start to improving this team.
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Kessler is 6'1" 225lbs...much thicker/wider than expected. i think his arm will get stronger over time while he hopefully keeps his accuracy. hoping his body is dense enough that he may actually be able to take the AFCN's punishment.
Kessler is 6'1" 225lbs...much thicker/wider than expected. i think his arm will get stronger over time while he hopefully keeps his accuracy. hoping his body is dense enough that he may actually be able to take the AFCN's punishment.
Well put Sisky! These are some stats from a QB in his 3rd NFL season (on a team sporting the NFL's worst record) that was able to improve his arm strength (even though I never felt he had unacceptable arm strength from the onset):
Year Team G Att Cmp Cmp% Yds Avg TD Lg INT Fmbl Rating
2003 San Diego 11 205 356 57.6 2,108 5.92 11 68 15 4 67.5
Apparently, that was strike 3 for Brees from the perception of the GM worried about fannies in the seats or San Diego wouldn't have drafted a QB 1st overall in the next draft who told them "don't draft me because I'm not coming." As fate would have it, they ended up trading Eli to the NY Giants for Philip Rivers. Then, the hot-shot rookie QB in San Diego held out the entire length of training camp while Brees went on to have a Pro Bowl season with 12-4 record. Marty was pretty happy he could stick that up his GM's ass.
With Brees, it wasn't just arm strength (or the perception of it) that needed to improve - it was also surrounding talent as well as acclimation to an NFL style offense vrs the spread offense he came out of at Purdue. I know I'm going to butcher the articulation of this but I think if the NFL game slowed down for him a little sooner - many of his throws would have been on time enough for a much better comp %, TD to INT ratio, and passer rating. In a world where timing is everything, his 4th year looked like a combination of better arm strength working in tandem with a more experienced passer the NFL game finally slowed down for. Did he ever really need to get THAT much stronger? I doubt it but I read how much he credited his conditioning to the improved results so I think he's the best source of information here.
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Kessler is 6'1" 225lbs...much thicker/wider than expected. i think his arm will get stronger over time while he hopefully keeps his accuracy. hoping his body is dense enough that he may actually be able to take the AFCN's punishment.
Well put Sisky! These are some stats from a QB in his 3rd NFL season (on a team sporting the NFL's worst record) that was able to improve his arm strength (even though I never felt he had unacceptable arm strength from the onset):
Year Team G Att Cmp Cmp% Yds Avg TD Lg INT Fmbl Rating
2003 San Diego 11 205 356 57.6 2,108 5.92 11 68 15 4 67.5
Apparently, that was strike 3 for Brees from the perception of the GM worried about fannies in the seats or San Diego wouldn't have drafted a QB 1st overall in the next draft who told them "don't draft me because I'm not coming." As fate would have it, they ended up trading Eli to the NY Giants for Philip Rivers. Then, the hot-shot rookie QB in San Diego held out the entire length of training camp while Brees went on to have a Pro Bowl season with 12-4 record. Marty was pretty happy he could stick that up his GM's ass.
With Brees, it wasn't just arm strength (or the perception of it) that needed to improve - it was also surrounding talent as well as acclimation to an NFL style offense vrs the spread offense he came out of at Purdue. I know I'm going to butcher the articulation of this but I think if the NFL game slowed down for him a little sooner - many of his throws would have been on time enough for a much better comp %, TD to INT ratio, and passer rating. In a world where timing is everything, his 4th year looked like a combination of better arm strength working in tandem with a more experienced passer the NFL game finally slowed down for. Did he ever really need to get THAT much stronger? I doubt it but I read how much he credited his conditioning to the improved results so I think he's the best source of information here.
Well put Sisky! These are some stats from a QB in his 3rd NFL season (on a team sporting the NFL's worst record) that was able to improve his arm strength (even though I never felt he had unacceptable arm strength from the onset):
Year Team G Att Cmp Cmp% Yds Avg TD Lg INT Fmbl Rating
2003 San Diego 11 205 356 57.6 2,108 5.92 11 68 15 4 67.5
Apparently, that was strike 3 for Brees from the perception of the GM worried about fannies in the seats or San Diego wouldn't have drafted a QB 1st overall in the next draft who told them "don't draft me because I'm not coming." As fate would have it, they ended up trading Eli to the NY Giants for Philip Rivers. Then, the hot-shot rookie QB in San Diego held out the entire length of training camp while Brees went on to have a Pro Bowl season with 12-4 record. Marty was pretty happy he could stick that up his GM's ass.
With Brees, it wasn't just arm strength (or the perception of it) that needed to improve - it was also surrounding talent as well as acclimation to an NFL style offense vrs the spread offense he came out of at Purdue. I know I'm going to butcher the articulation of this but I think if the NFL game slowed down for him a little sooner - many of his throws would have been on time enough for a much better comp %, TD to INT ratio, and passer rating. In a world where timing is everything, his 4th year looked like a combination of better arm strength working in tandem with a more experienced passer the NFL game finally slowed down for. Did he ever really need to get THAT much stronger? I doubt it but I read how much he credited his conditioning to the improved results so I think he's the best source of information here.
Well... Brees had been benched in favor of Doug Flutie in his 3rd season before SD draft-traded for Rivers. So there was considerable doubt about his promise.
And while Brees held off Rivers for a couple seasons, ultimately it was concerns over his shoulder injury that prompted Brees' move to NO (torn labrum). SD had enough doubts (and Rivers, who they felt was ready) that they did not compete with NO and MIA in a bidding war that ultimately NO won.
Safe to say that the Brees-Payton combo in NO was magical.... at least for one year.
Also as it turned out Rivers was not a bad consolation prize.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Well put Sisky! These are some stats from a QB in his 3rd NFL season (on a team sporting the NFL's worst record) that was able to improve his arm strength (even though I never felt he had unacceptable arm strength from the onset):
Year Team G Att Cmp Cmp% Yds Avg TD Lg INT Fmbl Rating
2003 San Diego 11 205 356 57.6 2,108 5.92 11 68 15 4 67.5
Apparently, that was strike 3 for Brees from the perception of the GM worried about fannies in the seats or San Diego wouldn't have drafted a QB 1st overall in the next draft who told them "don't draft me because I'm not coming." As fate would have it, they ended up trading Eli to the NY Giants for Philip Rivers. Then, the hot-shot rookie QB in San Diego held out the entire length of training camp while Brees went on to have a Pro Bowl season with 12-4 record. Marty was pretty happy he could stick that up his GM's ass.
With Brees, it wasn't just arm strength (or the perception of it) that needed to improve - it was also surrounding talent as well as acclimation to an NFL style offense vrs the spread offense he came out of at Purdue. I know I'm going to butcher the articulation of this but I think if the NFL game slowed down for him a little sooner - many of his throws would have been on time enough for a much better comp %, TD to INT ratio, and passer rating. In a world where timing is everything, his 4th year looked like a combination of better arm strength working in tandem with a more experienced passer the NFL game finally slowed down for. Did he ever really need to get THAT much stronger? I doubt it but I read how much he credited his conditioning to the improved results so I think he's the best source of information here.
Well... Brees had been benched in favor of Doug Flutie in his 3rd season before SD draft-traded for Rivers. So there was considerable doubt about his promise.
And while Brees held off Rivers for a couple seasons, ultimately it was concerns over his shoulder injury that prompted Brees' move to NO (torn labrum). SD had enough doubts (and Rivers, who they felt was ready) that they did not compete with NO and MIA in a bidding war that ultimately NO won.
Safe to say that the Brees-Payton combo in NO was magical.... at least for one year.
Also as it turned out Rivers was not a bad consolation prize.
Well... Brees had been benched in favor of Doug Flutie in his 3rd season before SD draft-traded for Rivers. So there was considerable doubt about his promise.
And while Brees held off Rivers for a couple seasons, ultimately it was concerns over his shoulder injury that prompted Brees' move to NO (torn labrum). SD had enough doubts (and Rivers, who they felt was ready) that they did not compete with NO and MIA in a bidding war that ultimately NO won.
Safe to say that the Brees-Payton combo in NO was magical.... at least for one year.
Also as it turned out Rivers was not a bad consolation prize.
Great post Tour!
If I'm remembering correctly how it all shook out - the interesting thing about the San Diego situation was in the strong difference of opinions held by Marty and the GM in terms of how pressing the need to go in the direction of a QB at #1 overall. Marty's staff invested the time and training in the QB through the growing pains while the GM wanted more immediate results regardless of how bad the team around QB was in 2003.
Another interesting thing that you brought up was when Brees had the torn labrum there were only 2 teams interested in competing for Brees: Miami and NO. I remembered a discussion about this on the radio when Brees' highly regarded surgeon (Dr Andrews) was saying not only did Brees have a great prognosis but he fully expected this to improve Brees' ability to throw over his pre-injury form. I'm sure part of his improvement was due to the surgery and the other part of it came from the magical pairing with Payton you spoke of.
I liked bringing up Brees in pertinence to Kessler because both guys are pretty similar in height. They both had/have their share of critics fair or not. Above all (especially post surgery for Brees), they both needed the right guy to believe in them when it seemed apparent there wasn't a lot of people that did. Payton was that man for Brees and Hue wants to be that guy for Kessler. If Hue feels pretty strongly that he has the ideal system fit for Kessler's skill-set, haven't we witnessed what the right tandem of HC and QB could accomplish even in a place like NO that never so much as won a playoff game (before they arrived)? It'll be fun to watch it play out especially since Hue shouldn't have to race Kessler into action.
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Lefty from USC...hummm...Matt Leinart.
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One Post From the Truth said:
Lefty from USC...hummm...Matt Leinart.
Kessler wishes he could have had half the talent around him that Leinart had.
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I'm not saying it was mid-2000s USC, but the Trojans were, IIRC, 3rd on 247's "talent on campus" rankings last season.
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"One said:
Lefty from USC...hummm...Matt Leinart.
Johnny Cumstain is a righty. What's your point?
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If the Patriots picked Kessler, they'd be geniuses, because the Browns have, it's a terrible pick.
Basically....If the Patriots picked Kessler, they'd be geniuses, because the Browns have, it's a terrible pick.
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Basically....
Hue is a pretty strong variable in this. He studied all of the QBs and this was the guy he felt matched his offense best. Once upon a time nobody was talking about Russell Wilson, who was on our door-step but we took the bionic armed pinball wizard Brandon Weeden-Feeddefenses instead way up at #22 overall.
Sometimes there's an OC like a Lindy Infante who could extract the very best football out of QBs like Bernie Kosar and Jim Harbaugh. According to an interview I read in ESPN's mag, Harbaugh felt Lindy's system was QB friendly enough to use as the foundation of his coaching career that mapped a school like Stanford into significance. It also changed Alex Smith from a serial coach killer into a guy with passer ratings in the high 90s (bordering 100) that led SF into a Conference Championship Game.
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!"
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