It's Going to be a Good Season
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Usually these types of predictions of winning seasons for perennially bottom of the barrel teams take place in August. So by that time I predict we will hear rumors of Superbowl contenders.
6 games won would be a real stretch with this big a turnover in a team that shared the bottom with one other. 3-5 wins would be about right and have us in the running for first to draft.
Reminds me of an old joke I can adapt for Browns fans. An old Browns fan died and went to hell. Devil saw him over in a corner with a smile on his face so inquired why he seemed happy in hell. The old Browns fan told him that since it was so hot this could only mean one thing, that it was summer in Berea and football season was just around the corner. Devil went over to his thermostat and cranked it up to "blazing hot", looked over at the old Browns fan who then had a huge grin on his face. Again the Devil asked what he was grinning about and again the old Browns fan indicated it could mean only one thing, that it was late August in Berea and kickoff had to be just days away for his beloved Browns. Now this really pissed off the Devil so he went over to his trusty thermostat and ran it down to absolute zero on the Kelvin scale. Again he looked over at the old Browns fan who had the biggest smile the Devil had ever seen frozen on his face. In frustration the Devil again asked him why he was so happy. The old Browns fan, by then pretty blue from the cold said, "This can only mean one thing, the Browns have finally won the Superbowl."
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One Post From the Truth said:
I've seen it before...
Being an avid Cards fan I'll tell you what's up.
We sucked for the longest time dudes. You know this but I've lived your pain. We brought in Denny Green, had some good drafts and then brought in Warner. At the time the fans scoffed and complained about bringing in a vet qb with a bent thumb. We started winning.
We drafted a wr in the first rd. the fans didn't like it he was Denny's boy from Minn. he couldn't get any separation they said. We started winning.
Of course Denny was fired and Whizenhunt took over. Whiz inherited a winning team no one knew we had and took us to the Super Bowl.
There are many of the same things happening here that I've seen before and sometimes it takes a non bias view to point out some things. Youre building something here don't dismiss by the past mistakes.
Who did you lose to in the Super Bowl?
Lol...a Cards fan. You're only here because it's the one place you could find that hates dem "Squeelers" as much as you do. Woe is you, birds of a feather, misery loves company..whatever idiom you'd like to use.
What really musta put you over the edge was when the Steelers stomped your birds last year with Landry freakin Jones at the helm.
Carson Palmer isn't taking you to a Super Bowl son...in fact I'd put my money on the Browns reaching your prediction of 10-6, before a Carson Palmer led team reaches a Super Bowl.
A more realistic prediction.
Steelers 10-6
Bungals 10-6
Rats 9-7
Browns 8-8
There is no way the browns will lose as many as they did last year...there were games they should have won like the Cardinals.
Who did you lose to in the Super Bowl?
Lol...a Cards fan. You're only here because it's the one place you could find that hates dem "Squeelers" as much as you do. Woe is you, birds of a feather, misery loves company..whatever idiom you'd like to use.
What really musta put you over the edge was when the Steelers stomped your birds last year with Landry freakin Jones at the helm.
Carson Palmer isn't taking you to a Super Bowl son...in fact I'd put my money on the Browns reaching your prediction of 10-6, before a Carson Palmer led team reaches a Super Bowl.
A more realistic prediction.
Steelers 10-6
Bungals 10-6
Rats 9-7
Browns 8-8
There is no way the browns will lose as many as they did last year...there were games they should have won like the Cardinals.
I doubt the Brown go 8-8 though. Ravens will have another losing record. Bengals will still win the division. Steelers more like 9-7.
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Ravens and Steelers both will be dependent on injuries, again. Bengals aren't likely to have a better record than last year, for the loss of their stable of #2 receivers and Jackson.
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I'm not knocking your Cleveland Pick; but, you might want to look back to how well the Bengals were doing without Hue Jackson as their OC. The Bengals are not even going to look like the same team and they will not take the division.
They were doing pretty well BEFORE Jackson came back as a running back coach. 2011 and 2012 with Gruden as Offensive Coordinator, Bengals and Dalton were 60.2% passing, 47 TDs, 29 Int, 83.9 QB rating. Looks like the Bengals offense did just fine before the QB whisperer was re-hired by Mike Brown. I like Jackson but this whisperer shit...... rotflmmfao !I'm not knocking your Cleveland Pick; but, you might want to look back to how well the Bengals were doing without Hue Jackson as their OC.
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They were doing pretty well BEFORE Jackson came back as a running back coach. 2011 and 2012 with Gruden as Offensive Coordinator, Bengals and Dalton were 60.2% passing, 47 TDs, 29 Int, 83.9 QB rating. Looks like the Bengals offense did just fine before the QB whisperer was re-hired by Mike Brown. I like Jackson but this whisperer shit...... rotflmmfao !I'm not knocking your Cleveland Pick; but, you might want to look back to how well the Bengals were doing without Hue Jackson as their OC.
They were doing pretty well BEFORE Jackson came back as a running back coach. 2011 and 2012 with Gruden as Offensive Coordinator, Bengals and Dalton were 60.2% passing, 47 TDs, 29 Int, 83.9 QB rating. Looks like the Bengals offense did just fine before the QB whisperer was re-hired by Mike Brown. I like Jackson but this whisperer shit...... rotflmmfao !
And in 2014-15, Dalton was 564-867 (65%), with 44 TDs to 24 INTs, and a QB rating of 93.6, while missing 3 games (extrapolate to 54 TDs, 29 INTs).
But I'm sure your point is valid, don't worry. Also, Jackson was RB coach in 2012-13. So the proper comparison numbers are: 692-1114 (62%), 60 TDs, 36 INTs, and a passer rating around 88.
Could be Dalton growing, could be the O taking a lot of pressure off of him by leaning on a running game (Hill/Bernard), could be many things. But a large number of those things come down to the coaching, and I'm pretty sure it's not Marvin Lewis' work.
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Why set yourself up for disappointment? Just enjoy watching the young team grow and look forward to 2018.
Why set yourself up for disappointment? Just enjoy watching the young team grow and look forward to 2018.
Yeah- rookies at a bunch of positions, the secondary is real suspect- even if Haden comes back healthy. New coaching system. Questions about RG III, I could go on. Me and the Ghoolster are setting the bar real low- like three wins.
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In any other situation in sports id say why shit in someones cheerios....but this is cleveland. The reason why i loathe these unrealistic offseason prognostications is that it sets up unrealistic expectations. If on the other hand you inderstand that they may very well go 3-13....than fine. But if ur gonna be pissed off and hold the players and staff accountable to ur bullshit expectations.....than ur part of the problem.
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And im done with these arguments about how other teams turned shit around in a year or two. Those other teams are not from cleveland.....obviously
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Teams that turn it around in a year or two usually have pieces in place, or get very lucky - like the chiefs had Houstin & Hali, and Charles on O. The Colts lucked in to Luck. The raiders and jags have put together 2-3 very solid drafts in recent years, and both still had a losing record in 2015. Maybe this year they get above .500, but equally maybe not.
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They were doing pretty well BEFORE Jackson came back as a running back coach. 2011 and 2012 with Gruden as Offensive Coordinator, Bengals and Dalton were 60.2% passing, 47 TDs, 29 Int, 83.9 QB rating. Looks like the Bengals offense did just fine before the QB whisperer was re-hired by Mike Brown. I like Jackson but this whisperer shit...... rotflmmfao !
And in 2014-15, Dalton was 564-867 (65%), with 44 TDs to 24 INTs, and a QB rating of 93.6, while missing 3 games (extrapolate to 54 TDs, 29 INTs).
But I'm sure your point is valid, don't worry. Also, Jackson was RB coach in 2012-13. So the proper comparison numbers are: 692-1114 (62%), 60 TDs, 36 INTs, and a passer rating around 88.
Could be Dalton growing, could be the O taking a lot of pressure off of him by leaning on a running game (Hill/Bernard), could be many things. But a large number of those things come down to the coaching, and I'm pretty sure it's not Marvin Lewis' work.
This point I am defenseless against.The fact that Dalton had Gruden, Hugh,Ken Zampese (13 yr QB coach) as coaches at ONE TIME had more to do with it than Lewis. Zampese is now OC.But a large number of those things come down to the coaching, and I'm pretty sure it's not Marvin Lewis' work.
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I agree with gftChris on Bengals thoughts. Think Hue & loss of WR's will hurt Dalton, but that damn D is something else. Shitsburgs drafting continues to suck but Ben won't break. I really thought what Ravens did thru FA & draft can make them better. With Browns it's always the same question. Did we actually fill in a hole with a NFL starter or our we still filling that same hole & stunting our own growth? Still sitting on 4-5 wins maybe..
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VesnaKociper said:
YES asshole EXACTLY............................... so instead of putting pieces in place........................ the Browns put shit in place and took no top players.
Idiot.
Tom Tom. please check the vitriol at the door. Just because they didn't play for Memphis- and YOU never heard of them- doesn't mean the rest of the NFL hadn't. Coleman won the the Billetinkof Award as the best WR in college football. Ogbah and Nassib won their fair share too on the defensive end.
FWIW, the first pick I questioned was Kessler at the bottom of the third round- and at that point- it's a crap shoot.
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VesnaKociper said:
YES asshole EXACTLY............................... so instead of putting pieces in place........................ the Browns put shit in place and took no top players.
Idiot.
Tom Tom. please check the vitriol at the door. Just because they didn't play for Memphis- and YOU never heard of them- doesn't mean the rest of the NFL hadn't. Coleman won the the Billetinkof Award as the best WR in college football. Ogbah and Nassib won their fair share too on the defensive end.
FWIW, the first pick I questioned was Kessler at the bottom of the third round- and at that point- it's a crap shoot.
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VesnaKociper said:
YES asshole EXACTLY............................... so instead of putting pieces in place........................ the Browns put shit in place and took no top players.
Idiot.
Ok so i think the board would agree that i was a huge bosa honk, pretty sure im on record multiple times on that one. That being said, the concept of the trade down isnt terrible when ur in a roster situation like the browns are. So begrudgingly i had to admit to myself that taking any of those top rated players is utterly useless for our current browns.
Why? Cause we're gonna suck so hard no matter what that elite players cannot be retained here past their rookie contracts. It might be better to try to develop players for a couple years and get them signed long term so that we have some semblance of a foundation and then bring in some elite studs. Putting them on the team now is literally almost useless.
I want playmakers ad much as you do ghoulie, but for some reason beyond my knowledge of football.....we constsntly miss on those players.
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No. Bosa is another big ten player that pushed kids around. Yes he has the size but I see bust. Right now he's in a system that has to play a true DE. Better wait n see on this one broke back mountain cum stain on your Bosa Gander Mountian tent ass.
Lol
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Yeah but would he make those plays playing on tje browns front 7? Its a team sport. Offensives would figure out how yo neutrslize von miller if he was here
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Yeah but would he make those plays playing on tje browns front 7? Its a team sport. Offensives would figure out how yo neutrslize von miller if he was here
That's the million dollar question that you don't ask a #3 pick.Yeah but would he make those plays playing on tje browns front 7? Its a team sport. Offensives would figure out how yo neutrslize von miller if he was here
If I were the Brownies ...
Pick at #8 Lynch
#32 jaylon Smith or M. Jack
Third rd ...Billings
The rest who knows
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But I'm going on the record saying RG3 is a good one and at 26 yrs old he's got plenty left. Ya he's had problems goddamn I had to call the fire dept the other day because my ol lady burnt up the microwave.
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I don't know how many we win, but I don't think it will be anywhere near as bad as many think. I feel pretty good about thing. I think it is going to be a fun year on the lakefront.
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