when does optimism start?
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You're asking a bunch of diehard fans that have known basically NOTHING but losing for twenty years what they are optimistic about, so be ready for their responses.
For me, the only tangible optimism is the fact we are not running a country club anymore. The pace, intensity, and attitude of OTA's and minicamp is a stark contrast from years past, and while I obviously wasn't there, multiple journalists have said as much. We are not going to be physically ill-prepared, and our coaches aren't going to let us get out-worked. I have optimism about our new strength program, and I love having individual strength coaches and programs for each position group. It makes a lot of sense, and I expect to see results.
I'm further optimistic about our obvious emphasis on the WR position. Ray Farmer really screwed us over at this position, and he managed to miss out on the best WR class in decades. His sole selection was named "the worst pick of the draft" by multiple analysts, and the fourth round selection never made the roster.
I also like the fact that we have an offensive coach that has a track record at getting the most out of whatever talent he has...especially at the QB position. Further, Hue Jackson wants to run the ball, and that is something that many fans yearn to see. As we all know, running the ball depends on many variables, but perhaps none larger than the defense keeping us IN THE GAME so we aren't down 3 scores at halftime. I do NOT have optimism about our defense (yet), as I feel we have many holes and too much reliability on young players. Ray Horton didn't blow me away during his first stint. I felt like he just blitzed every 3rd down and we got our ass handed to us WAY too much when other teams knew the blitz was coming.
I suppose I'm optimistic about the running game though, and the more I think about it, the better I feel. I'm not saying that Crow and Duke are the equivalent of Giovanni and Hill, but there are definitely some similarities, and our franchise not drafting a single RB speaks volumes as to how we feel about our young talent.
I am not optimistic about RG III...not yet. In fact, I'm not really sure he can beat out Josh McCown. McCown knows how to pick up offenses, and there's nothing wrong with his arm. Further, he has an excellent relationship with Barnidge, and knows to find him for big plays. I'm not saying that RG III can't win the job, but Josh can throw the damn rock. I'd LOVE to see what Josh can do with a running game and a defense, and I'm COMPLETELY shocked that Denver didn't make a huge play for him. Bring in McCown for a season to help with Lynch? Makes a ton of sense, but what do I know?
Multiple sports stories are trying VERY HARD to get me optimistic about Justin Gilbert, but that's not going to happen. Not until I see him in a game. Don't get me wrong, I would like NOTHING more than for him to work out. I mean...can you IMAGINE having another quality CB just appear from nowhere? Yeah...it'd be amazing, but I'm not counting on it.
Multiple sports stories are trying VERY HARD to get me optimistic about Justin Gilbert, but that's not going to happen. Not until I see him in a game. Don't get me wrong, I would like NOTHING more than for him to work out. I mean...can you IMAGINE having another quality CB just appear from nowhere? Yeah...it'd be amazing, but I'm not counting on it.
I'm counting on Gilbert as much as I am Gordon.
More in the class of believing Gordon has been a victim of circumstance(s) here... at least until the most recent "diluted sample" fail... but strikes me that Rehab is one, and possibly the only, way for him to demonstrate to the league office that he is serious about making his way back.
Should generate evidence of both sobriety and mental state.
Our weed smoking friends say it isn't addictive- but pretty strong published evidence for some people it is. If Josh is truly in rehab it at least means he's dropped the toxic relationship he had with- you know who. LOL, the other board has a quarterback who's always referred to as "he who must not be named". I think we should do the same in regards to JF.
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There's also been a report that Gordon has let his weight balloon up near the 260 lb mark.
Maybe we can use him as a TE when he gets out of rehab.
There's also been a report that Gordon has let his weight balloon up near the 260 lb mark.
Maybe we can use him as a TE when he gets out of rehab.
They got some good chow in there.
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I honestly DO think we're better than last year. Now, our RECORD might not reflect that, but I do think we're a "better" overall team. We don't have the distracting Manziel anymore, we have an NFL coach that understands offense AND has real head coaching experience. We have a defensive coordinator with multiple years in the league, and I like our draft picks. Obviously, a team is judged by their overall record, and I know that, but I think we're better in terms of the talent we're developing and our coaching staff.
We need a few things to happen to meet or eclipse our paltry record from last year. First, we need at LEAST one of our new WR's to be productive, probably more like 2-3 (including Pryor). Either RG III or McCown will need to pick up the new offense and play at a level necessary to keep us in games and allow us to run the ball. The same goes with our defense, as we won't be able to run the ball down 20 points. We lost a lot of productive veterans, and that hurts, but I can see us being a tad better than last year. Keep in mind that's NOT saying much, but yes...I believe we're better right now. Don't you remember the clock disasters? The atrocious play calls? The mind-numbing penalties? I HAVE to believe our new coaching staff will be better at those aspects.
ok. hope you're right.
this is my problem with the browns and their org now for 40+ years i've been watching and rooting for them, they just fucking suck. sorry, just me. yeah they've had good moments and some great talent BUT it's like watching the cavs now.............cleveland is cursed. don't know what it'll take or who needs to repent or..... jesus h Fing christ, can we catch a break?
i've been optimistic before. many times. but it's like after dating an alcoholic or a drug addict.......you'll never go into another relationship with blinders on. NEW REGIME changes mean dick to me now. whereas with most franchises and their fans they might go "wow, wipe the slate clean and let's go brothers!!" to me it's like "here the fuck we go again. how'd it work out last time?"
go stu. go ray. go you front office analytic bastards. now show me something.
from: optimistic sitting on his hands fan #23, 744.
ok. hope you're right.
this is my problem with the browns and their org now for 40+ years i've been watching and rooting for them, they just fucking suck. sorry, just me. yeah they've had good moments and some great talent BUT it's like watching the cavs now.............cleveland is cursed. don't know what it'll take or who needs to repent or..... jesus h Fing christ, can we catch a break?
i've been optimistic before. many times. but it's like after dating an alcoholic or a drug addict.......you'll never go into another relationship with blinders on. NEW REGIME changes mean dick to me now. whereas with most franchises and their fans they might go "wow, wipe the slate clean and let's go brothers!!" to me it's like "here the fuck we go again. how'd it work out last time?"
go stu. go ray. go you front office analytic bastards. now show me something.
from: optimistic sitting on his hands fan #23, 744.
Bless you Toxic. Knew it was just not me. Edit--For those looking for a good article on our OL rebuild, bleacherreport.com has a good outlook of now & whats to come of our OL. rebuild. tried to post it won't let me, but maybe someone can? left side remain the same, C-Erving(lord help us. article says his natural position at FSU but LT was) RG-Greco/Pasztor RT-Bailey/Bowie/Shon Coleman. Drango looks to be the replacement of Greco due to a better power line blocker than Greco's ZBS technique. Sounds like Power Blocking scheme with a tweaking West coast offense to get RG3 out of the pocket on quick reads..
Browns & Buffett: Got to go fishin, Down to rock bottom again, with just a few Friends Team Brotherhood-"It's not about You,Me or I. It's about building We"..Hue Jackson -
ok. hope you're right.
this is my problem with the browns and their org now for 40+ years i've been watching and rooting for them, they just fucking suck. sorry, just me. yeah they've had good moments and some great talent BUT it's like watching the cavs now.............cleveland is cursed. don't know what it'll take or who needs to repent or..... jesus h Fing christ, can we catch a break?
i've been optimistic before. many times. but it's like after dating an alcoholic or a drug addict.......you'll never go into another relationship with blinders on. NEW REGIME changes mean dick to me now. whereas with most franchises and their fans they might go "wow, wipe the slate clean and let's go brothers!!" to me it's like "here the fuck we go again. how'd it work out last time?"
go stu. go ray. go you front office analytic bastards. now show me something.
from: optimistic sitting on his hands fan #23, 744.
Bless you Toxic. Knew it was just not me. Edit--For those looking for a good article on our OL rebuild, bleacherreport.com has a good outlook of now & whats to come of our OL. rebuild. tried to post it won't let me, but maybe someone can? left side remain the same, C-Erving(lord help us. article says his natural position at FSU but LT was) RG-Greco/Pasztor RT-Bailey/Bowie/Shon Coleman. Drango looks to be the replacement of Greco due to a better power line blocker than Greco's ZBS technique. Sounds like Power Blocking scheme with a tweaking West coast offense to get RG3 out of the pocket on quick reads..
Bless you Toxic. Knew it was just not me. Edit--For those looking for a good article on our OL rebuild, bleacherreport.com has a good outlook of now & whats to come of our OL. rebuild. tried to post it won't let me, but maybe someone can? left side remain the same, C-Erving(lord help us. article says his natural position at FSU but LT was) RG-Greco/Pasztor RT-Bailey/Bowie/Shon Coleman. Drango looks to be the replacement of Greco due to a better power line blocker than Greco's ZBS technique. Sounds like Power Blocking scheme with a tweaking West coast offense to get RG3 out of the pocket on quick reads..
Thanks for the heads up about the article Gumby. Here's the thing. A lot of us are in here year round and have followed this team for a long time; but we're reluctant to announce to others in here we think we can win at least 7 games? We still follow this team right? We've been wrong forever so wtf does it matter if we're off on our estimated # of wins by a game or 2 either way? It's not like we're a decade removed from winning 7 games. It was only 2 years ago on a team playing through countless injuries with a brand new coaching staff.
I'll give Ghoolie a little biscuit here. Can you imagine if Joe Thomas was telling his teammates - don't you dare think we can win at least 7 games. That ain't cool man. I want you guys thinking we need to show up to every game in a fetal position like the media tells us we should.
Football without a game face is like a week without moonshine, I mean sunshine...
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Flug, with that MikToxic post, it's like watching Mik sit in with the narrators of Beliveland & i think he could
.. Call it a curse but watching game 1 of Cavs showed it's something. Nothing that we work for ever goes our way. Just the refs making wrong calls that can't be reviewed for some godly reason was just more proof. Than of course what we did earn we would give right back off a foot or a knee. Every Cleveland sports teams have always been called competitive but that does not put us over the hump of being a winner. But it takes some Luck,, & Damn its our turn... -
Flug, with that MikToxic post, it's like watching Mik sit in with the narrators of Beliveland & i think he could
.. Call it a curse but watching game 1 of Cavs showed it's something. Nothing that we work for ever goes our way. Just the refs making wrong calls that can't be reviewed for some godly reason was just more proof. Than of course what we did earn we would give right back off a foot or a knee. Every Cleveland sports teams have always been called competitive but that does not put us over the hump of being a winner. But it takes some Luck,, & Damn its our turn... Flug, with that MikToxic post, it's like watching Mik sit in with the narrators of Beliveland & i think he could
.. Call it a curse but watching game 1 of Cavs showed it's something. Nothing that we work for ever goes our way. Just the refs making wrong calls that can't be reviewed for some godly reason was just more prove. Than of course what we did earn we would give right back off a foot or a knee. Every Cleveland sports teams have always been called competitive but that does not put us over the hump of being a winner. But it takes some Luck,, & Damn its our turn... LOL! I could totally see Mik sitting in with the narrators of Believeland.
The more we purge out the dead wood and bring in the passion/hustle, instincts and muscle - the further we get from here we go again. 14 draft picks, a few veteran FAs, and some rookie FAs (all of which have nothing to do with this team losing 13 games last year) - the better the chance we have at turning the corner with all those worth keeping.
You're right - it is our turn.
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ok. hope you're right.
this is my problem with the browns and their org now for 40+ years i've been watching and rooting for them, they just fucking suck. sorry, just me. yeah they've had good moments and some great talent BUT it's like watching the cavs now.............cleveland is cursed. don't know what it'll take or who needs to repent or..... jesus h Fing christ, can we catch a break?
i've been optimistic before. many times. but it's like after dating an alcoholic or a drug addict.......you'll never go into another relationship with blinders on. NEW REGIME changes mean dick to me now. whereas with most franchises and their fans they might go "wow, wipe the slate clean and let's go brothers!!" to me it's like "here the fuck we go again. how'd it work out last time?"
go stu. go ray. go you front office analytic bastards. now show me something.
from: optimistic sitting on his hands fan #23, 744.
Bless you Toxic. Knew it was just not me. Edit--For those looking for a good article on our OL rebuild, bleacherreport.com has a good outlook of now & whats to come of our OL. rebuild. tried to post it won't let me, but maybe someone can? left side remain the same, C-Erving(lord help us. article says his natural position at FSU but LT was) RG-Greco/Pasztor RT-Bailey/Bowie/Shon Coleman. Drango looks to be the replacement of Greco due to a better power line blocker than Greco's ZBS technique. Sounds like Power Blocking scheme with a tweaking West coast offense to get RG3 out of the pocket on quick reads..
Bless you Toxic. Knew it was just not me. Edit--For those looking for a good article on our OL rebuild, bleacherreport.com has a good outlook of now & whats to come of our OL. rebuild. tried to post it won't let me, but maybe someone can? left side remain the same, C-Erving(lord help us. article says his natural position at FSU but LT was) RG-Greco/Pasztor RT-Bailey/Bowie/Shon Coleman. Drango looks to be the replacement of Greco due to a better power line blocker than Greco's ZBS technique. Sounds like Power Blocking scheme with a tweaking West coast offense to get RG3 out of the pocket on quick reads..
Read a similar article yesterday in Dawg Pound Daily. Did not think it was worth posting, but here it is...
https://dawgpounddaily.com/2016/06/05/cleveland-browns-rebuilt-offensive-line-2016/
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Read a similar article yesterday in Dawg Pound Daily. Did not think it was worth posting, but here it is...
https://dawgpounddai...sive-line-2016/ Tour
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You forget that I don't know a lot of this stuff - this was a great read - I read the rest of the pages, too.
That explains a LOT.
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Side note.
"Our weed smoking friends say it isn't addictive"
Nope, that's absolutely not true. Addiction is defined by one thing and one thing only: Can you stop tomorrow? If not, you're addicted.
Weed leads to seriously bad things, especially during withdrawal -- hallucination, severe depression/desire not to go outside, etc.
Go listen to more Dr.Drew if you ever for one second listen to some pothead assert "Weed isn't addictive, I just don't want to quit." Or my other favorite, "it's not a physical addiction, it's a psychological addiction" -- hint: That's not a difference, every addiction is both physical and psychological.
Clearest example: pain meds for lower back pain. If you stop taking the vicodin, the pain goes away... because the brain creates phantom pain due to the addiction. Your "body" is not actually in pain - rather, the brain creates the pain because of its desire for the drug [read: addiction].
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Bless you Toxic. Knew it was just not me. Edit--For those looking for a good article on our OL rebuild, bleacherreport.com has a good outlook of now & whats to come of our OL. rebuild. tried to post it won't let me, but maybe someone can? left side remain the same, C-Erving(lord help us. article says his natural position at FSU but LT was) RG-Greco/Pasztor RT-Bailey/Bowie/Shon Coleman. Drango looks to be the replacement of Greco due to a better power line blocker than Greco's ZBS technique. Sounds like Power Blocking scheme with a tweaking West coast offense to get RG3 out of the pocket on quick reads..
Read a similar article yesterday in Dawg Pound Daily. Did not think it was worth posting, but here it is...
https://dawgpounddaily.com/2016/06/05/cleveland-browns-rebuilt-offensive-line-2016/
Read a similar article yesterday in Dawg Pound Daily. Did not think it was worth posting, but here it is...
https://dawgpounddaily.com/2016/06/05/cleveland-browns-rebuilt-offensive-line-2016/
See it's things like this that make me super optimistic. Dammit.
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Bless you Toxic. Knew it was just not me. Edit--For those looking for a good article on our OL rebuild, bleacherreport.com has a good outlook of now & whats to come of our OL. rebuild. tried to post it won't let me, but maybe someone can? left side remain the same, C-Erving(lord help us. article says his natural position at FSU but LT was) RG-Greco/Pasztor RT-Bailey/Bowie/Shon Coleman. Drango looks to be the replacement of Greco due to a better power line blocker than Greco's ZBS technique. Sounds like Power Blocking scheme with a tweaking West coast offense to get RG3 out of the pocket on quick reads..
Read a similar article yesterday in Dawg Pound Daily. Did not think it was worth posting, but here it is...
https://dawgpounddaily.com/2016/06/05/cleveland-browns-rebuilt-offensive-line-2016/
Read a similar article yesterday in Dawg Pound Daily. Did not think it was worth posting, but here it is...
https://dawgpounddaily.com/2016/06/05/cleveland-browns-rebuilt-offensive-line-2016/
Good read T. Thanks.
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Bless you Toxic. Knew it was just not me. Edit--For those looking for a good article on our OL rebuild, bleacherreport.com has a good outlook of now & whats to come of our OL. rebuild. tried to post it won't let me, but maybe someone can? left side remain the same, C-Erving(lord help us. article says his natural position at FSU but LT was) RG-Greco/Pasztor RT-Bailey/Bowie/Shon Coleman. Drango looks to be the replacement of Greco due to a better power line blocker than Greco's ZBS technique. Sounds like Power Blocking scheme with a tweaking West coast offense to get RG3 out of the pocket on quick reads..
Read a similar article yesterday in Dawg Pound Daily. Did not think it was worth posting, but here it is...
https://dawgpounddaily.com/2016/06/05/cleveland-browns-rebuilt-offensive-line-2016/
Read a similar article yesterday in Dawg Pound Daily. Did not think it was worth posting, but here it is...
https://dawgpounddaily.com/2016/06/05/cleveland-browns-rebuilt-offensive-line-2016/
Nah Tour- according to Ghoolie all you need is some big fat slob Sumos- there's no technique or skill set required.
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lol...
The reason I originally did not post he article is that I thought it was bullshit.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
IM JUST READY FOR SOME FUCKING FOOTBALL!!!!!!! IT'S JUNE AND IM SICK OF WAITING FOR THE PITCHERS IN BASEBALL. JUST THROW THE MFer!!!!
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IM JUST READY FOR SOME FUCKING FOOTBALL!!!!!!! IT'S JUNE AND IM SICK OF WAITING FOR THE PITCHERS IN BASEBALL. JUST THROW THE MFer!!!!
I'm with you on this one!
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lol...
The reason I originally did not post he article is that I thought it was bullshit.
Why?
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The reason I originally did not post he article is that I thought it was bullshit.
Thanks T, that's the exact same post i read in bleacher. As our OL coach explain your thoughts of BS please? The only BS I still see is what Farmer screwed up in drafting Erving. Letting Mack go get a offer from Jags instead of paying the man & same with Schartz? we gotta move on..
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It certainly explains what was going on. It also shows the complete stupidity
of Farmer/Pettine and co.
Meanwhile, I just saw the local sports...they had a quick interview with Danny Shelton. He said
their coaches know what they are doing, etc.
And, he really has lost weight, and looks a lot quicker on the short clip of him practicing.
Seriously looking more athletic. That should scare offensive lines....
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That little video clip I saw was crazy. That's a BIG guy moving like that. I used to play volleyball (indoor) with several Samoan guys, and they were each 6'2 and easily 300 pounds....but they could JUMP. It was the strangest thing, kind of like how a bumblebee isn't supposed to fly. LOL.
We need several guys on our team to "make the leap", and I hope it happens soon. It happens to teams ALL the time in the NFL, and it's PAST time it happen for us. Like, what round was Antonio Brown drafted in? Did anyone think HE'D be the best WR in the league? We need some things like that to our way, and maybe it's time. Shelton, Xavier Cooper, Orchard, Kirksey, Ogbah, and Nassib...hell...even GILBERT. I want to see them be impact players! (wouldn't bet on it, but hopeful. LOL)
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