Is it time to start considering Justin Gilbert as a viable corner?
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Honestly, I'm 99% certain it's all puff pieces to get his confidence up. They saw it was shattered last year, and want to see if he can contribute.
Sorry to burst your bubble
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Also, Charles Gaines from Louisville.
The one person I wish they'd just cut and stop talking about is FB Malcolm Johnson.. if he executed a single correct block last year, I didn't see it.
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This is his final year to prove he belongs on the team. I kmow its not fair to hold him personally responsible for this....but he is the guy we took instead of staying put and drafting khalil mack. <sigh>
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This coaching staff has the smarts to reach out to players and work with them. Maybe
Gilbert takes certain medication for ..something... and this coaching staff has worked
with players who were in the same boat before.
Or, they care enough to consult with an expert and help a player overcome a problem.
Like, maybe a ADHD meds can make a person sleepy/hard to get up early in the morning...
depending on when they took it.
This coaching staff will work with players, teach players, solve problems. and if players
care about it, they'll respond. Everybody on the same page. You aren't on the same page,
then you will be gone. Build the team.
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This coaching staff has the smarts to reach out to players and work with them. Maybe
Gilbert takes certain medication for ..something... and this coaching staff has worked
with players who were in the same boat before.
Or, they care enough to consult with an expert and help a player overcome a problem.
Like, maybe a ADHD meds can make a person sleepy/hard to get up early in the morning...
depending on when they took it.
This coaching staff will work with players, teach players, solve problems. and if players
care about it, they'll respond. Everybody on the same page. You aren't on the same page,
then you will be gone. Build the team.
This coaching staff has the smarts to reach out to players and work with them.
Or, they care enough to consult with an expert and help a player overcome a problem.
This coaching staff will work with players, teach players,
Hue walked in the door day 1 stated he was hired here to win games. He's right & he's not wavered from that statement one bit. Now Hue must sell that to his might be players. Each player got a clean slate but Hue is not stupid. He's doing what good coaches do. Finds each players weakness, coach & player agree on a better techniques to hopefully solves each weakness. Good Coaches will always praise players (thru media included) on their weakness improvements. We our in shorts with no contact. Hue selling on a positive nature right now. Coaches can only Coach better techniques than it's up to the players. When Training Camp starts the closest thing to actual football. That's when i really think HUE's real believes will have to take action..
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He wasn't too bad. Obviously out there for a limited time. But tramon Williams wasn't way better
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All I've heard is how much physical talent this guy has. Now, the world is FULL of unfulfilled potential, but you just never know what it takes to ignite a fire in a person. I was the most pessimistic person on the planet when it came to Gilbert, but then I realized that the coaching staff and GM don't have much invested in this guy. Sure, he was a previous HIGH pick, but Gilbert isn't "their" guy, not by a long shot. We've gotten rid of several other veterans that produced FAR more than Gilbert ever did, and we let multiple other veterans sign with other teams.
I just have the feeling that Gilbert possesses too many natural gifts to give up on, but like a previous poster said, this is only minicamp and OTA's...which don't mean SQUAT. I'm assuming that Gilbert looks incredible in shorts, and his speed and fluidity probably stand out like crazy. Maybe the guy is only football eye candy, and he'll never contribute towards our secondary, but maybe he needed a new coach to really extract his potential. Any of you guys ever play a sport with a coach you didn't like, and then get another coach that brought the best out?
All I'm saying is that maybe he's got a chance. I'm not saying I'd bet the farm on this guy or anything, but it's safe to say we need a few things to go our way if we're going to be better than the world thinks, and why not catch a break from a guy drafted a #8? We need a few guys to really turn it on, and who is to say that he and somebody like Mingo can't live up to their lofty draft status? That's what we need. We need guys to make the turn. It happens to other teams, and maybe it's time it happen for us.
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the thing i don't understand is how a kid can look good in college, good enough to have all the draft nudniks drooling over him as the #1 or 2 db in the draft, comes to the nfl and suddenly doesn't look the same. what do half these guys just wait to get paid and then lay down?
wtf?
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some of em get by with bad habits, etc, because they don't face the top talent everyday.
So often, players get into the NFL and they are humbled by "everybody in the NFL was a great college player".
In the NFL, so they say - it's serious business, serious study of game film, etc.
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the thing i don't understand is how a kid can look good in college, good enough to have all the draft nudniks drooling over him as the #1 or 2 db in the draft, comes to the nfl and suddenly doesn't look the same. what do half these guys just wait to get paid and then lay down?
wtf?
the thing i don't understand is how a kid can look good in college, good enough to have all the draft nudniks drooling over him as the #1 or 2 db in the draft, comes to the nfl and suddenly doesn't look the same. what do half these guys just wait to get paid and then lay down?
wtf?
We need the good Gilbert more than he knows. If anybody needed a clean slate it's this guy. Gilbert was a total loss when 2 veterans called him out for being late, out with family issues & could not come out of his shell when confronted by Veterans. Those 2 Vets I speak of Dansby & Whitner. Where are they now? These 20ish year old rookies find a bumpy road when a 30ish year old Vet & his family is counting on him also. Every NFL locker room has a jail mate named Buba and they show up when your messing with his next check. Gilbert needs to man up & stay out of his shell. Oversleep phobia my ass..
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the thing i don't understand is how a kid can look good in college, good enough to have all the draft nudniks drooling over him as the #1 or 2 db in the draft, comes to the nfl and suddenly doesn't look the same. what do half these guys just wait to get paid and then lay down?
wtf?
We need the good Gilbert more than he knows. If anybody needed a clean slate it's this guy. Gilbert was a total loss when 2 veterans called him out for being late, out with family issues & could not come out of his shell when confronted by Veterans. Those 2 Vets I speak of Dansby & Whitner. Where are they now? These 20ish year old rookies find a bumpy road when a 30ish year old Vet & his family is counting on him also. Every NFL locker room has a jail mate named Buba and they show up when your messing with his next check. Gilbert needs to man up & stay out of his shell. Oversleep phobia my ass..
We need the good Gilbert more than he knows. If anybody needed a clean slate it's this guy. Gilbert was a total loss when 2 veterans called him out for being late, out with family issues & could not come out of his shell when confronted by Veterans. Those 2 Vets I speak of Dansby & Whitner. Where are they now? These 20ish year old rookies find a bumpy road when a 30ish year old Vet & his family is counting on him also. Every NFL locker room has a jail mate named Buba and they show up when your messing with his next check. Gilbert needs to man up & stay out of his shell. Oversleep phobia my ass..
that and we need a FO that can sift through the bullshit, have scouts that actually know what they're doing and some good fortune to finally shine down on this org and cleveland as a city.
we'll see at the end of the year if any of these things were accomplished with all the new hires. i have a feeling a lot here will be changing their tune when we finish with 3 or 4 wins and no rookie is a standout............
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We need the good Gilbert more than he knows. If anybody needed a clean slate it's this guy. Gilbert was a total loss when 2 veterans called him out for being late, out with family issues & could not come out of his shell when confronted by Veterans. Those 2 Vets I speak of Dansby & Whitner. Where are they now? These 20ish year old rookies find a bumpy road when a 30ish year old Vet & his family is counting on him also. Every NFL locker room has a jail mate named Buba and they show up when your messing with his next check. Gilbert needs to man up & stay out of his shell. Oversleep phobia my ass..
that and we need a FO that can sift through the bullshit, have scouts that actually know what they're doing and some good fortune to finally shine down on this org and cleveland as a city.
we'll see at the end of the year if any of these things were accomplished with all the new hires. i have a feeling a lot here will be changing their tune when we finish with 3 or 4 wins and no rookie is a standout............
that and we need a FO that can sift through the bullshit, have scouts that actually know what they're doing and some good fortune to finally shine down on this org and cleveland as a city.
we'll see at the end of the year if any of these things were accomplished with all the new hires. i have a feeling a lot here will be changing their tune when we finish with 3 or 4 wins and no rookie is a standout............
Mik, Believeland baby.. Pet had no FO as a backbone with Gilbert nor ManHell. Even when the shots start firing. This FO won't even be close to what Pet faced on a daily bases. Our new scouting additions got attention from people in the business that never have anything good to say about us. We have 3 rookies rated in top 100. 22-Ogbah, 50-Coleman & 80-Nassib.. Now it's just time for Cleveland to make their own good fortune. Indians may not have best talent in any League but anything is possible when you count on your own fortune..53 years & they ain't killed me yet..
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Ah........................No.
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I gave on on Gilbert when he put his Dodge Charger in a ditch about a mile from my house.
The guy is a head case.
Two things that will define you: Your determination when you have nothing. Your attitude when you have everything. - Mike McCartney -
It wasn't like Gilbert was some kind of reach at #8 spot. The guy was highly desired by other teams, including the Steelers. Cornerbacks with his size, speed, and talent are the dreams of defensive coordinators, and it appeared that Gilbert could cruise on talent alone in the NFL. Only we all know that's not the case, and the be great (or even just GOOD) in the NFL generally requires a ton of hard work and some luck staying healthy.
Gilbert APPEARS to have the hard work aspect down (for now), and now he needs his confidence. That won't come all the way back until the pads come on, but it has to make him feel pretty good that everywhere he looks he can find a story about how the coaches are happy with him and want to give him every opportunity to succeed. If the pads come on and he can start putting together multiple days in a row of solid work, the guy has a chance. He needs to stay healthy, and he needs to maintain his positive momentum ALL THE WAY into the preseason. He can't have an injury, and he CAN'T have any screw ups (late to meetings, fights with team, etc).
I root for the guy, and I never thought I'd say that.
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I gave on on Gilbert when he put his Dodge Charger in a ditch about a mile from my house.
The guy is a head case.
I gave on on Gilbert when he put his Dodge Charger in a ditch about a mile from my house.
The guy is a head case.
Was it at least an SRT8 version?
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the thing i don't understand is how a kid can look good in college, good enough to have all the draft nudniks drooling over him as the #1 or 2 db in the draft, comes to the nfl and suddenly doesn't look the same. what do half these guys just wait to get paid and then lay down?
wtf?
the thing i don't understand is how a kid can look good in college, good enough to have all the draft nudniks drooling over him as the #1 or 2 db in the draft, comes to the nfl and suddenly doesn't look the same. what do half these guys just wait to get paid and then lay down?
wtf?
I would say it's kind of like the popular kid in middle school who then disappears in high school, or the stud in high school who disappears in life....... Some just can't make the transition to the next level - Hopefully Justin can figure it out.
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He wasn't too bad. Obviously out there for a limited time. But tramon Williams wasn't way better
He wasn't too bad. Obviously out there for a limited time. But tramon Williams wasn't way better
Here's the thing. Corner is one of the last tiers of defense and Gilbert doesn't have a history of LIKING to tackle people in a world where actions speak louder than words. Many pre-draft scouting reports said he wasn't very good at tackling. Now, if we factor in how bad our front 7 was at stopping the run - this guy seemed like even less of a fit to our situation. This reality wasn't lining up to boost his confidence.
Hey, how about a position change to expedite an attitude change or jumper cable the confidence?
I remember Mike Mayock saying at the very least, Cleveland added the best return man in his draft class. Well, if he's good with the football in open fields and he has good hands - why wouldn't we try this guy at WR at some point especially if the corner thing remains a bad idea?
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