Slippery slope getting steeper
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iow's,,, liberals can use any site, regardless of how biased, as their authority.
but convervatives, no matter what site it is on the net.... can't because
liberals will attack the source, and try to find something wrong with
something else unrelated to the subject,
and that is fine with liberals.
Like the cheapshot warriors - they are allowed to trap arms and hold them, hold other
players' waists, trip them...
hell, do anything they want. kick em in the groin, elbow them in the head.
but sissy steve kerr and his dirty sissie boys had better get a foul on a layup,
even when Green was NOT touched. Just a self-serving farce.
and after eight years, like fblew just did, any excuse to bash Bush, bring him into any conversation
about current scandals etc, about obaMao... and there ya go.
They freaking emotionally knee jerk about Bush, to indirectly defend liberal feelings, and to ignore
the original content of the op.
It's tiresome.
iow's,,, liberals can use any site, regardless of how biased, as their authority...
Not at all. Anyone is free to use any source that they want to in order to support their argument, liberal or conservative, but that doesn't mean that they aren't open to scrutiny. Which, I assume, is what you were trying to do when you "researched" Snopes. However, if you're objective was to try to discredit it by the links you blindly copy/pasted found, then you did a rather poor job.
The first link was to an opinion piece which actually supported Snopes impartiality, and gave several examples of where stories about conservatives were found to be false - not something a supposed liberal-biased website would be likely to do.
Your second link was to a Facebook which hasn't posted anything except for the random comment in well over a year; the few examples of supposed bias posted by the random facebook users was pretty much debunked by other users.
And your final link is to a user comment section on Snopes itself. If you are indeed trying to show bias in Snopes, then it doesn't really make much sense to use the source that you're attacking to say that they are being biased...
So....yeah. Pretty sure you didn't actually read what you posted, and just simply copy and pasted whatever came up when you typed your power words into google.
It kind of explains the vast majority of your posts, actually...
...and try to find something wrong with
something else unrelated to the subject,
and that is fine with liberals...
...Like the cheapshot warriors - they are allowed to trap arms and hold them, hold otherplayers' waists, trip them...
hell, do anything they want. kick em in the groin, elbow them in the head.
but sissy steve kerr and his dirty sissie boys had better get a foul on a layup,
even when Green was NOT touched. Just a self-serving farce.
and after eight years, like fblew just did, any excuse to bash Bush, bring him into any conversation
about current scandals etc, about obaMao... and there ya go.
They freaking emotionally knee jerk about Bush, to indirectly defend liberal feelings, and to ignore
the original content of the op....
The irony in your post aside, you never did answer my question:
Tell me, how many "normal, decent, healthy" conservatives, when they were the Canadian Prime Ministers and controlled the majority of their Parliment, did absolutely nothing to correct this law either?
...It's tiresome.
While seeing you back yourself into a conceptual corner and try to bullshit your way out is not. Please, never change...
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Lol jbluh doesn't understand how courts work. Redefining or reinterpreting an existing law on the books is the same as writing a new one. A man now can't be charged with beastiality for smearing peanut butter in his daughters genitals and making the family dog lick it off.
You could at least argue that the court didn't try to make new policy like to US Supreme Court when they illegally legalized gay marriage.
Lol jbluh doesn't understand how courts work. Redefining or reinterpreting an existing law on the books is the same as writing a new one. A man now can't be charged with beastiality for smearing peanut butter in his daughters genitals and making the family dog lick it off.
You could at least argue that the court didn't try to make new policy like to US Supreme Court when they illegally legalized gay marriage.
Actually, I understand perfectly how the judicial branch works. Their job is to interpret the laws, as written; which the Canadian Supreme Court did in this case. Is the law woefully inadequate? Absolutely. However, that is the law that was written by their legislative branch, so the Court based their decision on how the law was written. If you want to blame someone, blame the Canadian legislative branch for making such a bare-boned law in the first place. And according to the article, it seems that they're working on fixing that law to make beastiality more encompassing, so future cases would naturally be ruled differently.
Also, for a conservative, which I assume you to be from the jist of your posts on here, you should be encouraged that at least the Canadian judicial branch is doing their job by interpreting the laws as they are written, and not trying to make policy with their rulings. Isn't the conservative retort to whenever the US Supreme Court makes a ruling that they are, quote: "legislating from the bench"?
liberals want to do that to our Constitution.
especially our 1st and 2nd Amendments. The first because
they demand the power to control, to keep their power.
the second, for the same reason, and to make Americans more
easily intimated by mob rule, and black on white crime.
liberalism means never having to say you're sorry; you just get to
wail and divert attention to some other subject that also makes you mad.
...can't because
liberals will attack the source, and try to find something wrong with
something else unrelated to the subject,
and that is fine with liberals...
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Jblow's girlfriend:
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Jblow's girlfriend:
Jblow's girlfriend:
Ah, the habitual lush finally makes his appearance. Rough night in the drunk tank?
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... so are you supporting my snopes link or no? Because I get the feeling that you didn't actually read the links that you posted...Snopes, Liberal Bias, and Trusting the Internet
blog.skepticallibertarian.com/2013/04/27/snopes-li...
Snopes, Liberal Bias, and Trusting the Internet. by Eric Hall. A few weeks ago, ... SnopesLiberal Bias. One claim made both on my post a few weeks ago, ...
http://blog.skepticallibertarian.com/2013/04/27/snopes-liberal-bias-and-trusting-the-internet/
A few weeks ago, a post circulated on Facebook with the headline Snopes got snoped! It originated with a group called Uncle Sams Misguided Children. The group has a noticeable presence on Facebook, with over 400,000 likes and many, many shares of each of their posts. The page is clearly a right-wing group, with posts varying from standard conservative issues to those downright racially or sexually bigoted. I wont address those posts further, but I want to look at the issue of Snopes trustworthiness directly, along with the larger issue of reliable sources.
Snopes got Snoped?
Did this story reveal something new about Snopes that I missed? I always look into claims about sources I trust, as I want to make sure they can remain on my list, or if I should reevaluate them. I looked into the story a bit further.
A website known as Worldtruth.tv is the source of the original story. Here is the reason it says Snopes is not a trustworthy source:
Only recently? Snopes has an About Snopes section on their website which clearly states who the founders are and how they do their investigations. Why this took people several years to find this out is baffling, when simply clicking on the about page would accomplish this in 5 seconds (plus reading time of course).
For several years people have tried to find out who exactly was behind the website Snopes.com. Only recently did they get to the bottom of it. Are you ready for this? It is run by a husband and wife team thats right, no big office of investigators scouring public records in Washington, no researchers studying historical stacks in libraries, no team of lawyers reaching a consensus on current caselaw. No, Snopes.com is just a mom-and-pop operation that was started by two people who have absolutely no formal background or experience in investigative research.
The story continues, giving only one example of a supposed inaccuracy regarding the story of an insurance agent posting political signs on his business sign. WorldTruth claims Snopes condemned this on their website. The only condemnation I can find in the article itself is Ms. Mikkelson referring to the sayings on the sign as a zinger.
It turns out, the entire story of Snopes misrepresenting the story came from an e-mail circulated by another right-wing website. That website has since taken down any reference to it on their site. The claim is that Snopes never contacted the company this agent represented. Turns out, they did. FactCheck.org also contacted the company, and the company verified both their request to the agent, as well as their contact with Snopes. WorldTruth reprinted a rumor that has long since been proven false.
A larger look at the site called WorldTruth.tv reveals something very hilarious. The claim that Snopes shouldnt be trusted because it is only run by 2 people (the Mikkelsons) comes from a website run by 1 person who only identifies himself as Eddie. From WorldTruth.tvs About Us page:
I have to rub my forehead every time I read it. The website making a claim Snopes cannot be accurate because they do not have a large team is supposed to be trustworthy when being run by one person. If someone can make sense of that logic, please let me know!
My name is Eddie and WorldTruth.TV is my way to share all the knowledge and information that I have acquired and been blessed with in the last 32 years of my journey on this planet.
WorldTruth.TV is a website dedicated to educating and informing people on regular basis with well-researched articles on powerful and concealed information. Ive spent the last 32 years researching Theosophy, Freemasonry, Kabbalah, Rosicrucianism, the Bavarian Illuminati and Western Occultism. I remember when I first learned about the Truth and it wasnt pretty. I remember learning about how the mass media lies to our faces consistently. About how the educational system only teaches the youth what they need to become obedient workers.
Apparently, the entire site is filled with re-posted articles from other fringe websites promoting conspiracies, pseudoscience, etc. For example, another headline from this site is one called The Vaccine Hoax Is Over. The article in its entirety is a copy from another page called the Food Freedom Group. So Eddie did quite the investigation on vaccines (yes, that is sarcasm)!
The original article goes on to prove vaccines are harmful (in this case the flu vaccine) by citing articles from Mercola and Natural News. I tried clicking around to various links to the original studies that show this claim to be valid, but it mostly leads in a circle to these websites. The external links I could find were to the CDC. One link was to the VAERS system, but to all reports of incidents with the HPV vaccine which of course has nothing to do with the flu vaccine. The other link was to statements by the CDC which state the flu vaccine is safe, which the article claims is evidence of a cover-up.
Looking at Eddies research nothing about WorldTruth is trustworthy. I guess my trust in Snopes as a quick resource, or at least a good starting point, is still secure.
Snopes Liberal Bias
One claim made both on my post a few weeks ago, as well as by many websites of a conservative bent, is that Snopes has a liberal bias. I thought I was clear in my post that it would appear to be so, simply because the current president is a Democrat, but for the sake of those that claim a liberal bias, I grabbed a few articles regarding our last president, George W. Bush, in order to show that what they report is based on what is being passed around, not on the politics.
President Bushs Low IQ
The premise here was that out of all the presidents since FDR, George W. Bush had the lowest. It was a study supposedly done by a think tank that turned out didnt exist. Snopes even found two instances of newspapers publishing the information. It had a very obvious liberal bias, as the top 3 were listed as democrats with genius level IQs, while the bottom 5 were republicans. Snopes referred to the low IQs assigned to the two Bush presidents as insultingly low just based on their ability to write and speak (while acknowledging the difficulty in assigning IQ based just on those items). I would think a site with a liberal bias would choose not to report this at all, or at least avoid commentary in favor of two conservative presidents.President Bush refused to sell his home to blacks
When George Bush was elected governor in Texas, he bought a house that had a covenant on it from when it was built in 1939 that stated only whites could dwell in the house. This was not an uncommon practice at that time, and often these covenants went unnoticed because they were declared illegal by the Supreme Court in 1948. The wording remains because of a cumbersome legal process to have the actual wording removed, but the covenant is not enforced because it is illegal to do so.
Snopes reports that it is very plausible for the future president not to know about the covenant because it is not part of the deed seen by the buyers and sellers, but part of a larger record recorded with the county. Snopes also dismisses the liberal claim that the conservative media swept it under the rug when the conservative reporter Matt Drudge clearly did report on the issue.
President Bush Waves at Stevie Wonder
Many of the internet rumors that went around during the Bush presidency had to do with supposed gaffes that were supposed to show the presidents low intelligence. This example is another such story. Snopes listed this as false as well. As they reasoned, it is probably untrue as it was a very slight wave and from a distance, so it was likely meant for someone else. They even provide benefit of the doubt to the president, stating that the gesture of waving is an ingrained gesture of greeting, and something we might do even before thinking about it. This is even more so for a politician. As they state, this is likely more of a result of the caricature of President Bush then it is of his actual actions.
Mitt Romneys Shoe Shine
Snopes rates the photos above as real, but with an inaccurate description. The claim going with the photo is that while President Obama is a man of the people who fist bumps janitors, Governor Romney is one who will stop anywhere to get a shoe shine. What is actually happening in the Romney photograph is he is getting a security check before boarding a flight. The photo description has a pretty obvious liberal origin, and Snopes shows it to be false.
Romney uses a KKK slogan for his own campaign
The Washington Post is often accused of liberal bias. In one such case, a blogger for the paper reported Romney was using Keep America American as a slogan, which is associated with the white supremacist group the Ku Klux Klan. This started because of a report that Romney used the phrase during a campaign stop in Iowa. The Los Angeles Times later issued a correction, saying they misquoted the governor. Romney actually was saying keep America America, which is in reference to a less government policy, and not in any way race related.
However, the rumor was perpetuated by the Washington Post, and Snopes addressed it. Snopes went so far as to find a video of Romney using that same phrase, showing he clearly was saying keep America America, and not the phrase which he is accused of saying. The blogger for the Post was fired, and a correction was added to the piece. Nice work by Snopes, and not something I would expect if there was a massive liberal bias.
Trusted Sources
What did I learn from this? I learned there is yet another quack website out there, and that WorldTruth.tv is a fear-mongering, conspiracy website that should be avoided. Snopes will continue to serve its purpose in debunking social media nonsense. Although there have been one or two cases where they havent been able to get an answer, or a case or two where perhaps they didnt go back to update something when additional information comes forth, they generally do a great job investigating claims and rumors of all kindsregardless of politics.
I also will continue to investigate claims about my sources being unreliable. But I have found that sites like Science Based Medicine, Skeptoid, Bad Astronomy, and even Wikipedia (in some cases) can be good sources of information, especially when they can be quickly checked against primary sources (such as scientific papers). How deeply I investigate will depend on the purpose, but these sites will continue to serve as one place to start. Wikipedia only continues to improve thanks to the effort of Susan Gerbic and the Guerrilla Skepticism on Wikipedia project. Hopefully all of our efforts to separate the good from the bad will keep our trusted sources trustworthy.
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I will never trust your fact-checking site in the future. Your blatant liberal bias is and your disingenuous answers are a travesty to anyone looking for information ...
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It is a little bit ironic isn't it? You can kill your cow and eat her but you can't stand on a soapbox and fuck her.
WSS
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jblew - you are going around in circles, then claiming you are the only one
talking in a straight line. Sorry, blew all you want, but you are wrong.
Using snopes is stupid, biased, and very hypocritical when you libs demand
"scientific" sources for everything.
Except YOU are the only ones who get to determine which scientific sources are okay.
So, snopes is you fall back cya move - you should be embarrassed. But liberals never are.
Not self-aware enough.
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jblew - you are going around in circles, then claiming you are the only one
talking in a straight line. Sorry, blew all you want, but you are wrong.
Using snopes is stupid, biased, and very hypocritical when you libs demand
"scientific" sources for everything.
Except YOU are the only ones who get to determine which scientific sources are okay.
So, snopes is you fall back cya move - you should be embarrassed. But liberals never are.
Not self-aware enough.
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asshole woodpecker is back. he just could not stay away.
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There's things you do and things you don't do. You don't fuck your dog.
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jblew - you are going around in circles, then claiming you are the only one
talking in a straight line. Sorry, blew all you want, but you are wrong.
Using snopes is stupid, biased, and very hypocritical when you libs demand
"scientific" sources for everything.
Except YOU are the only ones who get to determine which scientific sources are okay.
So, snopes is you fall back cya move - you should be embarrassed. But liberals never are.
Not self-aware enough.
jblew - you are going around in circles, then claiming you are the only one
talking in a straight line. Sorry, blew all you want, but you are wrong.
Using snopes is stupid, biased, and very hypocritical when you libs demand
"scientific" sources for everything.
Except YOU are the only ones who get to determine which scientific sources are okay.
So, snopes is you fall back cya move - you should be embarrassed. But liberals never are.
Not self-aware enough.
I will say this, taking neither side and indicating right nor wrong... J forms and outlines a much stronger argument than you have.
The links you posted weren't very supportive and for the most part very catch-phrase-y.
Honestly this forum could be taken half way serious if the threads were condense and the information on both sides presented in a much more intelligent and less flaming way.
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Jblow's girlfriend:
Ah, the habitual lush finally makes his appearance. Rough night in the drunk tank?
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Jbluhm buried you here cal. I mean basicslly ehat we've learned is that snopes is a husbsnd wife team that knows how to operate that googlejoogle thingy.
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It is a little bit ironic isn't it? You can kill your cow and eat her but you can't stand on a soapbox and fuck her.
WSS
It is a little bit ironic isn't it? You can kill your cow and eat her but you can't stand on a soapbox and fuck her.
WSS
That order is probably reversed in India...
"That which can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence”. - Christopher Hitchens "The universe is under no obligation to make sense to you". - Neil deGrasse Tyson -
asshole woodpecker is back. he just could not stay away.
This won't matter at all...
But I'd just like to point I haven't insulted you at all since our truce. I haven't called you any kind of name. Here, I posted a reaction gif to you attacking someone else's level of self awareness. But I have not called you anything.
For the most part, immediately after that truce you were back to your old attacks against me. Claiming everything was a personal attack so you could use "self defense"....
Well now you are here, calling me an asshole, and I have yet to say anything similar to you. I'm not surprised you'd get back to this point.
Go ahead and claim self defense. Do whatever you need to do. I know any of the reasonable posters on here will see where I'm coming from.
We can now return to Jbluhm basically working you over.
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jblew - you are going around in circles, then claiming you are the only one
talking in a straight line. Sorry, blew all you want, but you are wrong.
Using snopes is stupid, biased, and very hypocritical when you libs demand
"scientific" sources for everything.
Except YOU are the only ones who get to determine which scientific sources are okay.
So, snopes is you fall back cya move - you should be embarrassed. But liberals never are.
Not self-aware enough.
I will say this, taking neither side and indicating right nor wrong... J forms and outlines a much stronger argument than you have.
The links you posted weren't very supportive and for the most part very catch-phrase-y.
Honestly this forum could be taken half way serious if the threads were condense and the information on both sides presented in a much more intelligent and less flaming way.
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So what do we have with this story?
- Man is charged with bestiality stemming from oral sex, but no penetration.
- His camp argues he shouldn't be charged, because that's not how the law is written
- The court agrees based on their interpretation of the law. He isn't charged.
- Canada's legislature immediately sees the fault in how the law is written, and is now working to correct it to include oral sex
Soooo.... where is the slipper slope argument? Where are Canadian liberals ruining society? Are any of the claims attempting to be made in the OP of this thread still valid?
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So what do we have with this story?
- Man is charged with bestiality stemming from oral sex, but no penetration.
- His camp argues he shouldn't be charged, because that's not how the law is written
- The court agrees based on their interpretation of the law. He isn't charged.
- Canada's legislature immediately sees the fault in how the law is written, and is now working to correct it to include oral sex
Soooo.... where is the slipper slope argument? Where are Canadian liberals ruining society? Are any of the claims attempting to be made in the OP of this thread still valid?
So what do we have with this story?
- Man is charged with bestiality stemming from oral sex, but no penetration.
- His camp argues he shouldn't be charged, because that's not how the law is written
- The court agrees based on their interpretation of the law. He isn't charged.
- Canada's legislature immediately sees the fault in how the law is written, and is now working to correct it to include oral sex
Soooo.... where is the slipper slope argument? Where are Canadian liberals ruining society? Are any of the claims attempting to be made in the OP of this thread still valid?
I guess we will need to see where they go from here right? Did you have a problem with blowing your goat?
WSS
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