Reasons to believe the Browns have turned the corner into turning into a winning TEAM
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All you have to do is listen to me. Now I know how Noah felt when he told everyone it was going to rain and shit.
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I mean, listen...I can be as optimistic as anybody because I prefer to feel that way over feeling like a negative jackass. I can possibly make the argument that our franchise is turning the corner on SOME things, but I can't say we're close to WINNING. Our win total might be the same as it was last year, but I still think we'll be better. We'll have a real defensive scheme that puts players in their best position to succeed. Remember last year when players didn't know what the hell they were doing and players felt they were asked to do things they weren't good at? Yeah, you won't be seeing that crap anymore. Remember the atrocious time management in several games? The suspect play calling when the game was on the line? (Ahem...the toss sweep to the slowest RB on the team right after Mingo makes the only play of his career and picked off Manning)
We are also younger, and we have a ton of draft picks. Statistically speaking, we have to hit on a greater number of these because we have MORE picks, right? I think we've turned the corner of being more competitive, but I am virtually certain that we are at least one more year away from winning (by winning I mean .500 ball. THAT'S winning in Cleveland unfortunately)
If...and this is a HUGE "if"...but IF the time table is sped up for our franchise, it will mean just one thing: RG III is the guy that so many hope he is. If we somehow have a QB that can play well, we might win a few more games than people think this year, and we might push for a wildcard next season. The ONLY way this happens is if RG III turns out to be a solid player. That happens, and good times are back in Cleveland much sooner than we thought possible.
But...this is Cleveland, and we know all too well the struggles of finding a QB AND a coaching staff. We Browns fans don't buy into preseason hope, but even I have to admit that this regime has a different feel. A coach with documented experience, a DC with experience, and a thoughtful front office not afraid to think outside the box. But what happens if RG III fails? How many years does THAT set us back? Can we really expect a 37 year old McCown to save our bacon for another 2-3 years? Can we really expect Cody Kessler to develop quickly? (if at all?) So much of our success depends on RG III, and if he doesn't work out, will our owner have the patience to ride this out? Because if RG III DOESN'T work out, you have to think it's going to take another 2-3 years to really see what we have in our draft picks, and I don't remember the last coach that got 3 years.
In short, just about everything depends on our QB.
In short, just about everything depends on our QB.
From NFL radio to almost every media member that was at OTA's. Says flat out McCown is throwing the ball better than RG3. Hue says were not even close to naming a starter. Can't say I don't blame him.. Drago, "The 6 million dollar man". We can rebuild him. Just can't build with him. That other 7 Million dollar man. Just got Riskier
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I mean, listen...I can be as optimistic as anybody because I prefer to feel that way over feeling like a negative jackass. I can possibly make the argument that our franchise is turning the corner on SOME things, but I can't say we're close to WINNING. Our win total might be the same as it was last year, but I still think we'll be better. We'll have a real defensive scheme that puts players in their best position to succeed. Remember last year when players didn't know what the hell they were doing and players felt they were asked to do things they weren't good at? Yeah, you won't be seeing that crap anymore. Remember the atrocious time management in several games? The suspect play calling when the game was on the line? (Ahem...the toss sweep to the slowest RB on the team right after Mingo makes the only play of his career and picked off Manning)
We are also younger, and we have a ton of draft picks. Statistically speaking, we have to hit on a greater number of these because we have MORE picks, right? I think we've turned the corner of being more competitive, but I am virtually certain that we are at least one more year away from winning (by winning I mean .500 ball. THAT'S winning in Cleveland unfortunately)
If...and this is a HUGE "if"...but IF the time table is sped up for our franchise, it will mean just one thing: RG III is the guy that so many hope he is. If we somehow have a QB that can play well, we might win a few more games than people think this year, and we might push for a wildcard next season. The ONLY way this happens is if RG III turns out to be a solid player. That happens, and good times are back in Cleveland much sooner than we thought possible.
But...this is Cleveland, and we know all too well the struggles of finding a QB AND a coaching staff. We Browns fans don't buy into preseason hope, but even I have to admit that this regime has a different feel. A coach with documented experience, a DC with experience, and a thoughtful front office not afraid to think outside the box. But what happens if RG III fails? How many years does THAT set us back? Can we really expect a 37 year old McCown to save our bacon for another 2-3 years? Can we really expect Cody Kessler to develop quickly? (if at all?) So much of our success depends on RG III, and if he doesn't work out, will our owner have the patience to ride this out? Because if RG III DOESN'T work out, you have to think it's going to take another 2-3 years to really see what we have in our draft picks, and I don't remember the last coach that got 3 years.
In short, just about everything depends on our QB.
I mean, listen...I can be as optimistic as anybody because I prefer to feel that way over feeling like a negative jackass. I can possibly make the argument that our franchise is turning the corner on SOME things, but I can't say we're close to WINNING. Our win total might be the same as it was last year, but I still think we'll be better. We'll have a real defensive scheme that puts players in their best position to succeed. Remember last year when players didn't know what the hell they were doing and players felt they were asked to do things they weren't good at? Yeah, you won't be seeing that crap anymore. Remember the atrocious time management in several games? The suspect play calling when the game was on the line? (Ahem...the toss sweep to the slowest RB on the team right after Mingo makes the only play of his career and picked off Manning)
We are also younger, and we have a ton of draft picks. Statistically speaking, we have to hit on a greater number of these because we have MORE picks, right? I think we've turned the corner of being more competitive, but I am virtually certain that we are at least one more year away from winning (by winning I mean .500 ball. THAT'S winning in Cleveland unfortunately)
If...and this is a HUGE "if"...but IF the time table is sped up for our franchise, it will mean just one thing: RG III is the guy that so many hope he is. If we somehow have a QB that can play well, we might win a few more games than people think this year, and we might push for a wildcard next season. The ONLY way this happens is if RG III turns out to be a solid player. That happens, and good times are back in Cleveland much sooner than we thought possible.
But...this is Cleveland, and we know all too well the struggles of finding a QB AND a coaching staff. We Browns fans don't buy into preseason hope, but even I have to admit that this regime has a different feel. A coach with documented experience, a DC with experience, and a thoughtful front office not afraid to think outside the box. But what happens if RG III fails? How many years does THAT set us back? Can we really expect a 37 year old McCown to save our bacon for another 2-3 years? Can we really expect Cody Kessler to develop quickly? (if at all?) So much of our success depends on RG III, and if he doesn't work out, will our owner have the patience to ride this out? Because if RG III DOESN'T work out, you have to think it's going to take another 2-3 years to really see what we have in our draft picks, and I don't remember the last coach that got 3 years.
In short, just about everything depends on our QB.
i really liked you commenting on the mingo int and the sweep that lost 4 yds on the ensuing play because the next day everyone was blaming mccown for fucking up the game in ot...I got alot of flack by saying it was not mccowns fault the fucking ol sucks and the rb stinks...terrible 1st down call. The jackoffs giving me slack are the ones that do not understand football on this board. They don't understand by putting a qb at 2nd and 14 against the nfl's best d is not a good thing especially with the shit stain ol perfomance we had last yr...good point
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VK...they never made an asshole out of you as you did that all by yourself ! Are you taking your meds like you should be ? Calling all 14 rookies Jack-offs before they have even started playing is ludicrous and again just your ego trying to show up again.
Save your comments for later in the year when we all know what is going on. And....Joey Bosa as your draft choice....lets just see how that turns out !
A Vince Lombardi fan.
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"was walkin around minding' my own Bidness n somebody ran up on me and smelled my nutsack."
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I just try to stay positive Tom. It's a lot easier to be negative.
But hey I'm all in on RG3 time will tell. Win or lose I'll be watching.
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VesnaKociper said:
1) There is no clear cut QB and there will be no clear cut QB.
2) The reality of young players is that most come form winning teams. These are not the dedicated, career team players of days gone-by. These are millenials who want it all, NOW. Building for 3-years down the road? It can't be done. Young players see their college mates going to the playoffs, making highligh films, and getting endorsement deals, and they quickly get burned out.
3) Offense is not sustainable = more defensive plays = tired out defense = more injuries than other teams. Do you think it is just bad luck that so many Browns players get fucked up?
4) With no offensive threats teams will blitz the fuck out of the Browns, take away all the short shit, and jam the box. This leads to more frustration, more injuries since the Browns will be hit from the front instead of caught from the back, more than other players.
1. Agree on the QB situation...
2. Disagree on the players... In most cases three-years "down the road" is their first real contract. That tends to hold players' attention. The "dedication" of days gone by was more a product of one-sided, iron-clad contracts producing indentured servitude than anything else.
3. Data does not bear out your hypothesis. In 2015 the Offense lost 49 man-weeks to injury; the Defense lost 44. Our Average Offensive Time of Possession was 31:01; Defense was 30:08.
4. Why would a D "blitz the fuck out of" a team with no offensive threats? And aren't more injuries related to tackles from behind?
VesnaKociper said:
<<3. Data does not bear out your hypothesis. In 2015 the Offense lost 49 man-weeks to injury; the Defense lost 44. Our Average Offensive Time of Possession was 31:01; Defense was 30:08.>>This is not relevant to my statement. I never said we would have more defensive players injured than offensive players. There is every reason to believe that both sides of our line will suffer injuries. My point is that, we will again be at the top of the heap in the injury list. Playing lack luster ball, getting hit first and not being the aggressor, and fatigue, will again lead to key Browns players getting fucked up more than most teams.
VesnaKociper said:
3) Offense is not sustainable = more defensive plays = tired out defense = more injuries than other teams. Do you think it is just bad luck that so many Browns players get fucked up?It has to be embarrassing to not be able to follow your own logic...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Why do I get the feeling Ghoolie was that kid that enjoyed telling younger kids there was no such thing as Santa Claus? Could it be because he's still telling kids this up to 75 years of age?
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VesnaKociper said:
So all that diatribe, just to ageee with me. THe Browns don't have a QB. 2 - 14 +/- 1 win
Such abbreviated commentary instead of the normal long winded diatribe? Shame........shame!
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I was at the store a month ago - we bought a bunch of groceries and she opens the hatch, we're putting groceries in,
and I bonk my noggin on the hatch - it was too low. Now, the lifters dont' lift it all the way up anymore, and she's shorter,
and I'm like "oh, CRAP, SON OF a...boy, that's stupid." and she's like "seriously?"
That's what it's like reading ghoolish's posts. I read em, it's "oh, CRAP, SON OF a... boy, that's stupid...."
seriously.
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Oh you conked your noggin? Did you get any Miracle Whip?
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Yep, but it was a lot more a "bonk" than a "conk". A bonk is like you hit your head on the hatch.
A conk is more like the hatch mechanism failed and the hatch came down and you get a conk on the head.
I just finished planting all the tomatoes, cept for a tray, which I
figure to give some plants to friends... still have a tray and a half of strawberries,
to be put into the garden....
maybe I'll sell some of them.. we bought 500 plants...
We already have mayo for the blt's I'll be eating all summer long.
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One Post From the Truth said:
Oh you conked your noggin? Did you get any Miracle Whip?
Miracle Whips. Viagra Browns Boners. Theirs no Hoe in Santa Clause. And now this bitch is THE REAL cousin Vinny..My Football Biological Clock can't take much more of this shit
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Yep, but it was a lot more a "bonk" than a "conk". A bonk is like you hit your head on the hatch.
A conk is more like the hatch mechanism failed and the hatch came down and you get a conk on the head.
I just finished planting all the tomatoes, cept for a tray, which I
figure to give some plants to friends... still have a tray and a half of strawberries,
to be put into the garden....
maybe I'll sell some of them.. we bought 500 plants...
We already have mayo for the blt's I'll be eating all summer long.
Yep, but it was a lot more a "bonk" than a "conk". A bonk is like you hit your head on the hatch.
A conk is more like the hatch mechanism failed and the hatch came down and you get a conk on the head.
I just finished planting all the tomatoes, cept for a tray, which I
figure to give some plants to friends... still have a tray and a half of strawberries,
to be put into the garden....
maybe I'll sell some of them.. we bought 500 plants...
We already have mayo for the blt's I'll be eating all summer long.
So you're behind the times up north. Down here in North Carolina visiting the brother in law- the corn is already tasseling.
PS the wife has a Nissan Rogue- and after bonking my head on the tailgate a couple times- I figured out you can manually raise ir another foot or so to prevent the bonk.
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I mean, listen...I can be as optimistic as anybody because I prefer to feel that way over feeling like a negative jackass. I can possibly make the argument that our franchise is turning the corner on SOME things, but I can't say we're close to WINNING. Our win total might be the same as it was last year, but I still think we'll be better. We'll have a real defensive scheme that puts players in their best position to succeed. Remember last year when players didn't know what the hell they were doing and players felt they were asked to do things they weren't good at? Yeah, you won't be seeing that crap anymore. Remember the atrocious time management in several games? The suspect play calling when the game was on the line? (Ahem...the toss sweep to the slowest RB on the team right after Mingo makes the only play of his career and picked off Manning)
We are also younger, and we have a ton of draft picks. Statistically speaking, we have to hit on a greater number of these because we have MORE picks, right? I think we've turned the corner of being more competitive, but I am virtually certain that we are at least one more year away from winning (by winning I mean .500 ball. THAT'S winning in Cleveland unfortunately)
If...and this is a HUGE "if"...but IF the time table is sped up for our franchise, it will mean just one thing: RG III is the guy that so many hope he is. If we somehow have a QB that can play well, we might win a few more games than people think this year, and we might push for a wildcard next season. The ONLY way this happens is if RG III turns out to be a solid player. That happens, and good times are back in Cleveland much sooner than we thought possible.
But...this is Cleveland, and we know all too well the struggles of finding a QB AND a coaching staff. We Browns fans don't buy into preseason hope, but even I have to admit that this regime has a different feel. A coach with documented experience, a DC with experience, and a thoughtful front office not afraid to think outside the box. But what happens if RG III fails? How many years does THAT set us back? Can we really expect a 37 year old McCown to save our bacon for another 2-3 years? Can we really expect Cody Kessler to develop quickly? (if at all?) So much of our success depends on RG III, and if he doesn't work out, will our owner have the patience to ride this out? Because if RG III DOESN'T work out, you have to think it's going to take another 2-3 years to really see what we have in our draft picks, and I don't remember the last coach that got 3 years.
In short, just about everything depends on our QB.
i really liked you commenting on the mingo int and the sweep that lost 4 yds on the ensuing play because the next day everyone was blaming mccown for fucking up the game in ot...I got alot of flack by saying it was not mccowns fault the fucking ol sucks and the rb stinks...terrible 1st down call. The jackoffs giving me slack are the ones that do not understand football on this board. They don't understand by putting a qb at 2nd and 14 against the nfl's best d is not a good thing especially with the shit stain ol perfomance we had last yr...good point
i really liked you commenting on the mingo int and the sweep that lost 4 yds on the ensuing play because the next day everyone was blaming mccown for fucking up the game in ot...I got alot of flack by saying it was not mccowns fault the fucking ol sucks and the rb stinks...terrible 1st down call. The jackoffs giving me slack are the ones that do not understand football on this board. They don't understand by putting a qb at 2nd and 14 against the nfl's best d is not a good thing especially with the shit stain ol perfomance we had last yr...good point
Thanks man, and I don't blame McCown at ALL. That defense made the best QB's in the league look like crappy rookies at times, and with the game on the line, it's no surprise they buckled down and made Josh look bad. I remember the two following plays after the miserable toss sweep (in fairness to the coaches, I believe our RB bobbled the ball on the sweep, but still, I don't think he would've gone ANYWHERE).
I think we were first and ten at around the Bronco 37 yard line, correct? We knew we had to get more yards because our kicker didn't have the ability to nail 50+ yard FG's (that's a conversation for a DIFFERENT time, and something that PISSES ME OFF). So it's first and ten around the 37, and we have ALL the momentum IN THE WORLD because we're at OUR HOUSE and the crowd is both hysterical and confused at Mingo making a play. On first down, we HAD to have something nasty. We needed a play kept deep in our pockets that we didn't previously show them. Perhaps a different wrinkle from an earlier play...SOMETHING to try and play on their aggressiveness. Nothing "trick play" oriented, but something with a high chance of success for 4-8 yards.
We came up with a toss sweep to our slowest RB, who doesn't generally RUN TOSS SWEEPS, and he bobbled the ball. Fail.
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PS the wife has a Nissan Rogue- and after bonking my head on the tailgate a couple times- I figured out you can manually raise ir another foot or so to prevent the bonk. Mr. Hoorta
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Well, it's her suv - she drives her car most of the time, I reckon I forgot she's short enough
to not manually raise it the rest of the way, and still clear it. Me? nope.
And our close friends, like family, live in N.C. We get regular updates on the nice weather in the early spring...
two years ago? we planted some tomatoes on the 20th, always waiting til after the 15th to avoid frost..
and three days later.... it freakin frosted. Those plants were murdered. We love it when they come up to
visit- they say it's 'cold'... we go down there and stay with them... even in winter - we say it's hot.
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We came up with a toss sweep to our slowest RB, who doesn't generally RUN TOSS SWEEPS, and he bobbled the ball. Fail. Jiggs
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I can only figure, that they didn't have the experience to know what to do, and out-thought themselves
trying to fool the defense by not playing a different play, and doing something obviously dumb would
catch the defense off guard.
Or something. The coaches NOW? They've been around, they know what to look for, how to teach, seen it all,
know what to do. They won't be putting round pegs into square holes, and their systems will take advantage of
skillsets of the players. The Browns before Hue tried to win... and just had to figure it was still all wrong.. again.
Some players got frustrated and bolted. You can tell by this last draft, they see the major weaknesses in talent
the Browns have.
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Y'all gonna hate me and ghouls (well more than you guys already hate him) if bosa comes firing off that edge for the chargers. I will not let that one go. Cause the browns then easily could have had mack and bosa as their edges.
We shall see.
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Why do I get the feeling Ghoolie was that kid that enjoyed telling younger kids there was no such thing as Santa Claus? Could it be because he's still telling kids this up to 75 years of age?
Why do I get the feeling Ghoolie was that kid that enjoyed telling younger kids there was no such thing as Santa Claus? Could it be because he's still telling kids this up to 75 years of age?
You know you've just subscribed to his argument right?....Vesnas insistence that browns fans are living in a world of make believe. As if Hue was Santa, and he was gonna deliver you a winner this up coming season.
Not saying he won't, just saying.
That said, I remember when Petine was hired. Browns fans were all in with this guy, thought he was gonna be a good coach. Similar to the way they are taking to Hue.
Love for Petine continued up to his second year.
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Actually, not true. We were HOPING he would be the right guy, he was NOT.
We KNOW Hue is the right guy - that has been said by many players and other coaches who know him.
Nobody said that about Pettine. Not Nooooooobody.
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