Is it time to start considering Justin Gilbert as a viable corner?
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Pettine was the problem..watched the Rams play the Browns and was shocked at how slow/poorly coached the Browns were when the Rams played them
his my way or the highway bs went out 3 decades ago...Carroll has them doing tm before games why Pettine refuses to play the players who are athletic enough to actually have a chance of winning....Madden would play the crazies who were cut from other teams as long as they weren't in jail on Sunday
good news is Jackson will play the crazies...and the Browns will win
Don't forget Pettine's first year as HC the Browns had a 7-9 season (nothing great but it's the high water mark in recent memory).Pettine was the problem..watched the Rams play the Browns and was shocked at how slow/poorly coached the Browns were when the Rams played them
his my way or the highway bs went out 3 decades ago...Carroll has them doing tm before games why Pettine refuses to play the players who are athletic enough to actually have a chance of winning....Madden would play the crazies who were cut from other teams as long as they weren't in jail on Sunday
good news is Jackson will play the crazies...and the Browns will win
Also, keep an eye on the Farmer draft picks and see how many of them have a great career in the NFL.
Most of them will be selling insurance soon.
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Don't forget Pettine's first year as HC the Browns had a 7-9 season (nothing great but it's the high water mark in recent memory).Pettine was the problem..watched the Rams play the Browns and was shocked at how slow/poorly coached the Browns were when the Rams played them
his my way or the highway bs went out 3 decades ago...Carroll has them doing tm before games why Pettine refuses to play the players who are athletic enough to actually have a chance of winning....Madden would play the crazies who were cut from other teams as long as they weren't in jail on Sunday
good news is Jackson will play the crazies...and the Browns will win
Also, keep an eye on the Farmer draft picks and see how many of them have a great career in the NFL.
Most of them will be selling insurance soon.
Don't forget Pettine's first year as HC the Browns had a 7-9 season (nothing great but it's the high water mark in recent memory).
Also, keep an eye on the Farmer draft picks and see how many of them have a great career in the NFL.
Most of them will be selling insurance soon.
other then Manziel(had as a 2nd rd pick) thought Farmer ,made solid picks
like I said you x-coach sucked
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Don't forget Pettine's first year as HC the Browns had a 7-9 season (nothing great but it's the high water mark in recent memory).Pettine was the problem..watched the Rams play the Browns and was shocked at how slow/poorly coached the Browns were when the Rams played them
his my way or the highway bs went out 3 decades ago...Carroll has them doing tm before games why Pettine refuses to play the players who are athletic enough to actually have a chance of winning....Madden would play the crazies who were cut from other teams as long as they weren't in jail on Sunday
good news is Jackson will play the crazies...and the Browns will win
Also, keep an eye on the Farmer draft picks and see how many of them have a great career in the NFL.
Most of them will be selling insurance soon.
I'll have to disagree here. Farmer picked some defensive players that I believe will be cornerstones of this team (especially if Gilbert can turn it around).Don't forget Pettine's first year as HC the Browns had a 7-9 season (nothing great but it's the high water mark in recent memory).
Also, keep an eye on the Farmer draft picks and see how many of them have a great career in the NFL.
Most of them will be selling insurance soon.
Shelton, Orchard, Cooper, (expect a strong sophomore campaign from these three) Williams, Desir and Campbell all belong in the league and most of them will represent very good value imo. The defense last year was poorly coached. They looked like a team that wasn't ready to play and missed tackles like there was a bonus in it for them.
The Offense clearly wasn't as much of a priority to Ray, but he still produced Bito, Crow and Duke, again at good value. Farmer's biggest shortcomings were obviously text gate, and his incompetence at the WR position. the local media believing you can accurately grade a draft class after one year didn't help him either. (Yes I have placed the manziel fiasco on Haslam)
Pettine's first year "success" was mostly taking advantage of a weak schedule with shanny's run scheme and a veteran QB who hadn't yet started shitting the bed. I'd still put my money on the roster being underutilized by poor coaching as opposed to a good coaching staff sabotaged by a bad FO.
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Until I see different, I would expect Campbell and Moore as our starters.
Not necessarily inspiring confidence but Horton did help launch Tashaun's career.
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Pettine was the problem..watched the Rams play the Browns and was shocked at how slow/poorly coached the Browns were when the Rams played them
his my way or the highway bs went out 3 decades ago...Carroll has them doing tm before games why Pettine refuses to play the players who are athletic enough to actually have a chance of winning....Madden would play the crazies who were cut from other teams as long as they weren't in jail on Sunday
good news is Jackson will play the crazies...and the Browns will win
Pettine was the problem..watched the Rams play the Browns and was shocked at how slow/poorly coached the Browns were when the Rams played them
his my way or the highway bs went out 3 decades ago...Carroll has them doing tm before games why Pettine refuses to play the players who are athletic enough to actually have a chance of winning....Madden would play the crazies who were cut from other teams as long as they weren't in jail on Sunday
good news is Jackson will play the crazies...and the Browns will win
What is tm?
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Pettine was the problem..watched the Rams play the Browns and was shocked at how slow/poorly coached the Browns were when the Rams played them
his my way or the highway bs went out 3 decades ago...Carroll has them doing tm before games why Pettine refuses to play the players who are athletic enough to actually have a chance of winning....Madden would play the crazies who were cut from other teams as long as they weren't in jail on Sunday
good news is Jackson will play the crazies...and the Browns will win
What is tm?
What is tm?
Transcendental meditation?
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I'll have to disagree here. Farmer picked some defensive players that I believe will be cornerstones of this team (especially if Gilbert can turn it around).Don't forget Pettine's first year as HC the Browns had a 7-9 season (nothing great but it's the high water mark in recent memory).
Also, keep an eye on the Farmer draft picks and see how many of them have a great career in the NFL.
Most of them will be selling insurance soon.
Shelton, Orchard, Cooper, (expect a strong sophomore campaign from these three) Williams, Desir and Campbell all belong in the league and most of them will represent very good value imo. The defense last year was poorly coached. They looked like a team that wasn't ready to play and missed tackles like there was a bonus in it for them.
The Offense clearly wasn't as much of a priority to Ray, but he still produced Bito, Crow and Duke, again at good value. Farmer's biggest shortcomings were obviously text gate, and his incompetence at the WR position. the local media believing you can accurately grade a draft class after one year didn't help him either. (Yes I have placed the manziel fiasco on Haslam)
Pettine's first year "success" was mostly taking advantage of a weak schedule with shanny's run scheme and a veteran QB who hadn't yet started shitting the bed. I'd still put my money on the roster being underutilized by poor coaching as opposed to a good coaching staff sabotaged by a bad FO.
I'll have to disagree here. Farmer picked some defensive players that I believe will be cornerstones of this team (especially if Gilbert can turn it around).
Shelton, Orchard, Cooper, (expect a strong sophomore campaign from these three) Williams, Desir and Campbell all belong in the league and most of them will represent very good value imo. The defense last year was poorly coached. They looked like a team that wasn't ready to play and missed tackles like there was a bonus in it for them.
The Offense clearly wasn't as much of a priority to Ray, but he still produced Bito, Crow and Duke, again at good value. Farmer's biggest shortcomings were obviously text gate, and his incompetence at the WR position. the local media believing you can accurately grade a draft class after one year didn't help him either. (Yes I have placed the manziel fiasco on Haslam)
Pettine's first year "success" was mostly taking advantage of a weak schedule with shanny's run scheme and a veteran QB who hadn't yet started shitting the bed. I'd still put my money on the roster being underutilized by poor coaching as opposed to a good coaching staff sabotaged by a bad FO.
I almost hesitate to say "poor coaching"..."non existent coaching" comes closer.
Even with Farmer's mistakes, we have some viable talent that will now be coached up.Just my opinion, but we'll see what happens.
Mike
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Don't forget Pettine's first year as HC the Browns had a 7-9 season (nothing great but it's the high water mark in recent memory).
Also, keep an eye on the Farmer draft picks and see how many of them have a great career in the NFL.
Most of them will be selling insurance soon.
other then Manziel(had as a 2nd rd pick) thought Farmer ,made solid picks
like I said you x-coach sucked
Well in that case, how many Pro Bowlers has Farmer graced us with?other then Manziel(had as a 2nd rd pick) thought Farmer ,made solid picks
like I said you x-coach sucked
BTW, PFF has the Browns roster ranked at #31...great job by Ray Farmer!
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I'll have to disagree here. Farmer picked some defensive players that I believe will be cornerstones of this team (especially if Gilbert can turn it around).Don't forget Pettine's first year as HC the Browns had a 7-9 season (nothing great but it's the high water mark in recent memory).
Also, keep an eye on the Farmer draft picks and see how many of them have a great career in the NFL.
Most of them will be selling insurance soon.
Shelton, Orchard, Cooper, (expect a strong sophomore campaign from these three) Williams, Desir and Campbell all belong in the league and most of them will represent very good value imo. The defense last year was poorly coached. They looked like a team that wasn't ready to play and missed tackles like there was a bonus in it for them.
The Offense clearly wasn't as much of a priority to Ray, but he still produced Bito, Crow and Duke, again at good value. Farmer's biggest shortcomings were obviously text gate, and his incompetence at the WR position. the local media believing you can accurately grade a draft class after one year didn't help him either. (Yes I have placed the manziel fiasco on Haslam)
Pettine's first year "success" was mostly taking advantage of a weak schedule with shanny's run scheme and a veteran QB who hadn't yet started shitting the bed. I'd still put my money on the roster being underutilized by poor coaching as opposed to a good coaching staff sabotaged by a bad FO.
Pettine's first year "success" was mostly taking advantage of a weak schedule with shanny's run scheme and a veteran QB who hadn't yet started shitting the bed. I'd still put my money on the roster being underutilized by poor coaching as opposed to a good coaching staff sabotaged by a bad FO.
I'll credit Pettine's first year succes to a cupcake schedule, I'll blame Pettine's second year failure on a very tough schedule (8 games vs playoff teams). Naturally I expect a better season this year because we actually have some experience on the coaching staff. Not to mention an easier schedule than last year.
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Pettine's first year "success" was mostly taking advantage of a weak schedule with shanny's run scheme and a veteran QB who hadn't yet started shitting the bed. I'd still put my money on the roster being underutilized by poor coaching as opposed to a good coaching staff sabotaged by a bad FO.
I'll credit Pettine's first year succes to a cupcake schedule, I'll blame Pettine's second year failure on a very tough schedule (8 games vs playoff teams). Naturally I expect a better season this year because we actually have some experience on the coaching staff. Not to mention an easier schedule than last year.
I'll credit Pettine's first year succes to a cupcake schedule, I'll blame Pettine's second year failure on a very tough schedule (8 games vs playoff teams). Naturally I expect a better season this year because we actually have some experience on the coaching staff. Not to mention an easier schedule than last year.
FWIW, the 3 opponents in our division we played twice - all made the playoffs in 2014. Carolina made the playoffs. Indy made it to the AFC Championship. We lost 2nd half leads to Carolina, Indy and Baltimore (once or twice). I think we also knotted the score with Pittsburgh in the opener after a huge halftime deficit before Pitt faked a punt inside their own 20 to drive for game winning points.
For a team coming off 4-12 football in 2013 with a ton of injuries in 2014 and another long suspension to Josh Gordon, we started off 7-4 - including victories over Pitt and Cincy.
Never in my wildest dreams did I think all this would add up to a 2015 flatline.
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