2nd amendment
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A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
What I find interesting in this is that the NRA does not acknowledge the first sentence at it's headquarters. The 2nd amendment is 2 lines, not one. Whatever either side wants to argue, then for the love of country, include the whole amendment!
...What I find interesting in this is that the NRA does not acknowledge the first sentence at it's headquarters. The 2nd amendment is 2 lines, not one.
Technically, the Second Amendment is one sentence, though.
"That which can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence”. - Christopher Hitchens "The universe is under no obligation to make sense to you". - Neil deGrasse Tyson -
So what do people want, a well regulated group with equal equipment as the military all the way down to fighter jets or a lightly armed citizenry?
Liberals don't think people are responsible enough to feed, house, and cloth themselves. They certainly would shit bricks if a group of citizens had access to nukes and drones.
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So what do people want, a well regulated group with equal equipment as the military all the way down to fighter jets or a lightly armed citizenry?
Liberals don't think people are responsible enough to feed, house, and cloth themselves. They certainly would shit bricks if a group of citizens had access to nukes and drones.
So what do people want, an well regulated group with equal equipment as the military all the way down to fighter jets or a lightly armed citizenry?
You know it doesn't matter what people want or don't want. It was intended so Farmer Brown had equal Firepower to the British or the French or the US government or whoever decided they wanted to take over. So if that's changed that's life.
Today if you find yourself on the wrong side of the United States government power your choice is between taking a knee or dying in resistance.
Hyperbolic but true.
WSS
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A militia is the same as army. Last I heard, we have one...a pretty damned good one too. But you still can't buy an Abrams or an Apache. Why not? those are arms. The NRA is nothing more than the advertising arm for arms manufacturing. Get your pink pistol now...cute. A 30.06 bolt is a great hunting rifle. So is a 22 plus you can't beat a 12 gauge pump. But of course those were designed for hunters of game animals. An AR with 30-40 rd clip was designed for killing human beings as efficiently as possible. Kinda like an Apache or Abrams. And any one that thinks that all the cool military style killing machines he owns will fend off the govt...... I'll sell you blueprints for a great anti gravity flying devivce ...cheap! I'm not against owning a gun but I do believe in KISS
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It's not the same as the Army at all Doug. We had an army in 1771. They wore red coats and funny hats.
WSS
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...What I find interesting in this is that the NRA does not acknowledge the first sentence at it's headquarters. The 2nd amendment is 2 lines, not one.
Technically, the Second Amendment is one sentence, though.
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It's not the same as the Army at all Doug. We had an army in 1771. They wore red coats and funny hats.
WSS
It's not the same as the Army at all Doug. We had an army in 1771. They wore red coats and funny hats.
WSS
This. The citizens were meant to be a check against a tyrannical govermment if a new one were to arise after ousting the Brits.
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This:
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It's not the same as the Army at all Doug. We had an army in 1771. They wore red coats and funny hats.
WSS
Yep, and to revolt and take them on we came up with Minutemen which were common citizens with their muskets. And that pretty much evolved into Washington's revolutionary army. Yes, it's all militia but then you need to ask about State sponsorship. I think that's where our new Congress comes in. Call it tater or spud. Scary thought tho is a drone with a gun and with that, I'm going to enjoy a perfect summer day in rural n e Ohio, you do the same WSSIt's not the same as the Army at all Doug. We had an army in 1771. They wore red coats and funny hats.
WSS
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Yes but State sponsorship? The founding fathers believe that the state itself could go wrong and would need to be overthrown. Those guys were revolutionaries. These days it's more sit down and shut up.
Even our votes are next to meaningless. Good? Bad?
WSS
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"sigh" Come on, Doug, some of us also live in NE Oh, and the heat hasn't gotten to us....
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Militia
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaFor other uses, see Militia (disambiguation).A militia /mᵻˈlɪʃə/[1]generally is an army or other fighting unit that is composed of non-professional fighters, citizens of a nation or subjects of a state or government who can be called upon to enter a combat situation, as opposed to a professional force of regular, full-time military personnel, or historically, members of the warrior nobility class (e.g., knights or samurai). Unable to hold their own against properly trained and equipped professional forces, it is common for militias to engage in guerrilla warfare or defense instead of being used in open attacks and offensive actions.
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and it isn't that the "What I find interesting in this is that the NRA does not acknowledge the first sentence at it's headquarters."
nothin.
"SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED" is the main point of the entire 2nd Amendment.
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The definition of militia is correct now. But wait, congress has changed that definition more t6han once. Interesting reading if you look up the meaning of the word in 1776. Also read Federalist paper 29. Thats not interpretation of what the founding fathers said. It's their own words. And for the record, why bash people for honest dialog? Seems like an argument of weakness to me. The far left and right are both whacko.
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And by the by. The term is "well regulated militia"....
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It's not the same as the Army at all Doug. We had an army in 1771. They wore red coats and funny hats.
WSS
This. The citizens were meant to be a check against a tyrannical govermment if a new one were to arise after ousting the Brits.
Well regulated militia. I'm curious if you include those 2 words. And in histrical court documents this was regarded as a States Rights issue. But now we have the US armed forces. They're also quite well regulated as well as State National Guard units.This. The citizens were meant to be a check against a tyrannical govermment if a new one were to arise after ousting the Brits.
Don't get me wrong. I have nothing against sporting or home defense weapons. I sit on my back deck and plink a lot. I'm old skool tho and go back to a time before the NRA with the huge money and propaganda changed definitions and shout down rational discussion. You should not have access to weapons that are more military than sporting. If you really need 30-40 rounds to drop a deer, I would deny your hunting license too. If you can't shoot straight, you shouldn't be playing with it and if you don't know you can't shoot straight, you're too friggin stupid to be trusted. And this is honest to gawd truth here.... There is no such thing as a gun accident. That is always gun stupidity!
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gun ownership is not all about hunting.
Your home gets attacked by a gang of hoods,
you want a single shot shotgun?
I think you plink with a beer can, and aren't a gun owner. You
aren't making any sense.
The resistance in France was "well-regulated" without being an army.
the colonists were "well-regulated", without being army.
There can't be any serious discussion when you invent your own definitions and nuances
of words to try to make your point.
If it walks like a hard core liberal, posts like a hard core liberal, and flaps it's jaws like a hard core liberal...
it's a hard core liberal.
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Your perverted definition of militia doesn't matter. It says they right to KEEP and BEAR arms shall not be infringed.
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I had that question as well:
How are our gun owners a "well regulated militia"? Shouldn't we require some kind of training? Some kind of regulation, to make them a functioning militia?
Also, how can Billy bob with his rifle defend us from a developed nation attacking? What do they do against jets and tanks? Shouldn't we allow more heavy duty arms for proper defense?
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The Bill of Rights uses the term person for an individual. It also uses the term people which was recognized to mean the state. At least that was how the Supreme court saw it. But then it got changed and I am becoming of the opinion that it was done for money and nothing else. Sorta the same as what is making Trump popular. Congress never seems to ask if something is good for America or Americans. A person or the people? A militia would be the Freemen group out west. A well regulated militia would be the YARS base or Camp Ravenna....unless you're a lobbyist
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