LeBron The Greatest of All Time?
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GOAT is MJ but Lebron has gained some serious ground on the field. Magic Johnson was awesome, this coming from a Bird guy, as was Kobe in my watching history.
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Gip I like what your saying . However.. The reality is I think Jordan faced harder defenses back then.. today.. it would like letting him steal candy with all the rules in place now..
I don't think they were harder defenses per se at all. I just think that the rules back then allowed more physical contact.
But, don't forget...while those defenses were harder overall, The Jordan Rules were in place which disallowed playing defense on him that was allowed to most others. So I don't think the defenses on him would have been much changed at all in today's game.
I don't think they were harder defenses per se at all. I just think that the rules back then allowed more physical contact.
But, don't forget...while those defenses were harder overall, The Jordan Rules were in place which disallowed playing defense on him that was allowed to most others. So I don't think the defenses on him would have been much changed at all in today's game.
Fair point.
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Gip I like what your saying . However.. The reality is I think Jordan faced harder defenses back then.. today.. it would like letting him steal candy with all the rules in place now..
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Jordan by far.
"You planning on having a long relationship with that glass or are you going to drink it? Drink up, man. Maybe we can get another.” - Janis Joplin, 1970. -
Jordan by far.
Jordan by far.
For like 5th best.
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Jordan by far.
Jordan by far.
This was discussed on ESPN. Only if you want to count Finals records 6-0 vs 3-4, and Finals MVPs. LeBron is the more complete player-by far. I have little doubt He'll eventually pass Jordan in points. He's already ahead of him in rebounds and assists. James is First Ballot HOF- even if he never played another game.
Same argument is Joe Montana the Greatest QB of all time because he's 4-0 in Super Bowl wins.
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Jordan by far.
This was discussed on ESPN. Only if you want to count Finals records 6-0 vs 3-4, and Finals MVPs. LeBron is the more complete player-by far. I have little doubt He'll eventually pass Jordan in points. He's already ahead of him in rebounds and assists. James is First Ballot HOF- even if he never played another game.
Same argument is Joe Montana the Greatest QB of all time because he's 4-0 in Super Bowl wins.
This was discussed on ESPN. Only if you want to count Finals records 6-0 vs 3-4, and Finals MVPs. LeBron is the more complete player-by far. I have little doubt He'll eventually pass Jordan in points. He's already ahead of him in rebounds and assists. James is First Ballot HOF- even if he never played another game.
Same argument is Joe Montana the Greatest QB of all time because he's 4-0 in Super Bowl wins.
Not only that.. it's likely James will win the 4th.. maybe a 5th title.. that will put him ahead of Jordan by Me.
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30.1 ppg regular season
33.4 ppg playoffs
Lebron not getting there any time soon, period. Guys enjoy the Championship, savor the moment. These discussions can happen later.
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Jordan by far.
This was discussed on ESPN. Only if you want to count Finals records 6-0 vs 3-4, and Finals MVPs. LeBron is the more complete player-by far. I have little doubt He'll eventually pass Jordan in points. He's already ahead of him in rebounds and assists. James is First Ballot HOF- even if he never played another game.
Same argument is Joe Montana the Greatest QB of all time because he's 4-0 in Super Bowl wins.
This was discussed on ESPN. Only if you want to count Finals records 6-0 vs 3-4, and Finals MVPs. LeBron is the more complete player-by far. I have little doubt He'll eventually pass Jordan in points. He's already ahead of him in rebounds and assists. James is First Ballot HOF- even if he never played another game.
Same argument is Joe Montana the Greatest QB of all time because he's 4-0 in Super Bowl wins.
Brady > Montana
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L James has played in the last SEVEN straight finals.
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From purely a skill standpoint, michael and kobe are still the greatest.
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From purely a skill standpoint, michael and kobe are still the greatest.
From purely a skill standpoint, michael and kobe are still the greatest.
Kobe is #3
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From purely a skill standpoint, michael and kobe are still the greatest.
From purely a skill standpoint, michael and kobe are still the greatest.
If the only skill you are talking about is scoring....but LeBron's skills, as I am sure you are aware go well beyond just scoring.
(If he wanted to just score like MJ and Kobe, he could do that.)
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One Post From the Truth said:
L James has played in the last SEVEN straight finals.
Only 6 straight.....7 overall.
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Lebrons scoring now comes primarlily from muscling his way to the basket. His shot is night to night now. Lebrons a beyter passer than those guys sure, but we all saw how the warriors baited him into passing and jumping those lanes.
If all 3 came out in the draft next year, knowing what we know, i would still take jordan. And only because we know kobe has clashed more with teammates. From a pure skill standpoint i still wouldnt know who to take between kobe and jordan.
I would take lebron over them only if i already had other pieces in place that he would fit better with
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Lebrons scoring now comes primarlily from muscling his way to the basket. His shot is night to night now. Lebrons a beyter passer than those guys sure, but we all saw how the warriors baited him into passing and jumping those lanes.
If all 3 came out in the draft next year, knowing what we know, i would still take jordan. And only because we know kobe has clashed more with teammates. From a pure skill standpoint i still wouldnt know who to take between kobe and jordan.
I would take lebron over them only if i already had other pieces in place that he would fit better with
Lebrons scoring now comes primarlily from muscling his way to the basket. His shot is night to night now. Lebrons a beyter passer than those guys sure, but we all saw how the warriors baited him into passing and jumping those lanes.
If all 3 came out in the draft next year, knowing what we know, i would still take jordan. And only because we know kobe has clashed more with teammates. From a pure skill standpoint i still wouldnt know who to take between kobe and jordan.
I would take lebron over them only if i already had other pieces in place that he would fit better with
Well. Sorry. You're wrong.
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From purely a skill standpoint, michael and kobe are still the greatest.
If the only skill you are talking about is scoring....but LeBron's skills, as I am sure you are aware go well beyond just scoring.
(If he wanted to just score like MJ and Kobe, he could do that.)
If the only skill you are talking about is scoring....but LeBron's skills, as I am sure you are aware go well beyond just scoring.
(If he wanted to just score like MJ and Kobe, he could do that.)
Sure could- he'd be another Karl Malone if he wanted to. Malone had Stockton with him for years- and failed to win a Ring. Just like Curry is better than LeBron because he puts more balls through the hoop.
Regarding Kobe- prime a-hole, might have a few more rings if he didn't run Shaq out of town. & he really carried the Lakers this year to a 17 win season.
As a complete player- no one else (currently) is close to LeBron. They have to go back to Oscar Robertson for comparisons. James has already passed Jordan and Kobe in rebounds and assists. You might argue Jordan would hold better stats if he hadn't sat out for 4 seasons- but he did. I'll concede that Jordan is still the GOAT. But with this win, LeBron put himself in the conversation for top 5- and he's far from done yet IMHO. 2016-2017 he's almost certain to pass Shaq for #7 all time in points. Barring injury, and playing until he's a shadow of himself (like Jerry Rice did in football) Kareem's point record might be attainable- and that's not me talking- it's a couple of other supposed experts saying that.
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What hurts the Lebron vs MJ discussion is Jordan never had a Finals like Lebron did in 2011
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Well he has indeed went good on his promise. To deliver a championship back to Cleveland!
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Well he has indeed went good on his promise. To deliver a championship back to Cleveland!
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