Guitar questions

StinkHole

One Post From the Truth said:
Thanks man. It really doesn't matter anyway I'm just playing by myself but just wondered how ya all tackled it.

Stuart

Your question didn't make sense. You play the prominent part, the part that most identifies with the song.

Its also possible that you think there are two guitar parts being played when in fact the player is playing chords while at the same time adding embellishments, grace notes, riffs etc.

If you plan to entertain with just you and your guitar, most people are more impressed if you can imitate the original recording, because its what they recognize, unless you're playing at a jazz club where improvisation and playing the song your way is what the audience is looking for.

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@stinkhole said:
StuartYour question didn't make sense. You play the prominent part, the part that most identifies with the song.Its also possible that you think there are two guitar parts being played when in fact the player is playing chords while at the same time adding embellishments, grace notes, riffs etc.If you plan to entertain with just you and your guitar, most people are more impressed if you can imitate the original recording, because its what they recognize, unless you're playing at a jazz club where improvisation and playing the song your way is what the audience is looking for.

Yes the question does make sense. You like to argue.

What key is "long way to the top" in? Just an example of the original recording being over dubbed then played a half step down. It's a quandary in some songs.

Westside Steve

I would say the long and winding road is in the key of D because that's where it resolves.

WSS

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@westside-steve said:

I would say the long and winding road is in the key of D because that's where it resolves.

WSS

Well seriously Steve when you play along with reel to reel tape you have to tune down a half step. Same with cassette. When acdc recorded they overdubbed. See the confusion? If you are stacking tracks its a quandary. Back in that time period there was a lot of live recording as you probably know.

Some play the song I was talking about in different keys but as I was saying also...it really doesn't matter I'm not a pro and don't play out just wanted to know how other trained musicians tackle it. There are other songs I'm interested in too but "long way to the top" was a prime example.

Westside Steve

Keep in mind that it's not uncommon for a producer to speed up the master tape for the final take. It tightens it up a little bit.

WSS

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Thanks VK.

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VK that question is from the Bat out of Hell excerpt.

I personally don't like Fender anything except I did have a London Reverb amp back in the day.

The Gipper

VesnaKociper said:

Most likely it was the Telecaster. Strats have been a R&R staple for many years. The Tele is the choice of Country players. It is more challenging than a Strat or a Les Paul.

The larger neck radius (think the curve of the surface of the earth versus that of The sun) allows more freedom for traditional technique players (Eddie Van Halen, Steve Vai) who rely less on tricks and more on skill. It limits however a lot of the cheap tricks that Les Paul and Strat Players can get away with for a variety of reasons.

Strats, with a 25.5 scale length have 3 pick ups and a vibrato bar, and a comfortable neck radius. Les Pauls have a shorter scale 24.75, use longer sustaining humbucker pick ups and allow for short cuts and tricks. Guys like Santana, can make some great tone, while being short on technical skill.

TMI

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VesnaKociper said:

Personal taste is personal taste. The reason Fat loaf didn't like Teles is because country guys played them. I don't like a lot of Fender Amps, although for pure clean tone the Vibrolux and Bassman 4 x 10" with the channels jumped are hard to beat. Especially if you like fingerstyle jazz, Chet or Wes Montgomery styles, which I happen to play a lot of.

For rocking out, for me the Hi-Watt Classic 50 with a slant front 4 x 12 is the best amp I have ever owned.

I'll agree on the Hi Watt. I had one at one time. It was an A amp and solid state. I like solid state amps better than the tube amps. A lot of peeps would disagree on my taste but I like clean power and let my effects to work at their best. I'm really picky with my effects as well.

As for guitars I've owned some strats but as I grew older I learned about my own tone and I like a guitar with a very passive humbucker at the bridge and something not so at the neck. Anyway ya love Hi Watt but my choice is Randall.

nickers

I always loved the Sound Pete Townshend and RATT got out of theyre HiWatt amps.. they are known for having a great HOT searing guitar sound.. Crunch and choppy sounding but not overly thin..but it was a great amp to use. They cut well in the mix.. The clean sound.. not so great.. Fender Black face the 65's and fender bassmans doit for Me clean tone wise. And the old Supro's would be another..

nickers

VesnaKociper said:

I never enjoyed an amp more than my Hi-Watt, the bad part about it was that the clean channel was noisy. I was playing in a band that did rock, polkas, jazz, country, and pop. When I put an arch top, or needed clean chords for the polka stuff, since we didn't play that stuff loudly, the hiss was almost unbearable. I wound up using a noise gate, which always blows when you play live. Still, I wish I never sold it. For me, nothing ever touched the Bassman 4 x 10 for a clean tone....unbelievable tight bottom end. Once I made a REALLY dumb choice and purchased a Peavey Classic 50 w a 4 x 10 cabinet (piggy back style) because I thought I could sacrifice the clean sound for the peaveys channel switching. That Peavey amp sounded nice cranked up and distorted, but if you didn't play it loud, it was shit.

My objection to Fenders is that they don't sound thick at low volumes. Even the blues JR....30 watts? Its too fucking loud to get nice tone.

I have a Crate V18 Class A tube amp now, and it is one of the nicest sounding amps I ever had. No channel swiching but I can get it right on the verge of crunch, back off the pickup volume just a twat hair and keep it clean. Punch in the humbucker and it crunches. Kick in an overdrive pedal and boom, I am covered. 18 watts however is borderline loud for anything over 100 people.

Try the new Fender ML series that came out last year . Theyre a great platform for pedals.. and has a nice round tone.. it's voiced to give the bridge pickup a rounder tone

http://www2.fender.com/experience/fender-tone/michael-landau-demos-new-hot-rod-deville-212-ml/

Axe

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Very cool Axe. Woos $600 bucks for one of those what a bargain. Hey is this one of the effects you have? If so buying this did it replace other effects or do you just use it for amp simulation?

Give us a review man.

Axe

I own one.. It does Amp sims, Cab sims (you can load your own) as well, and effects.. It's a dual use pedal. Live and studio. It's not far from my Fractal Audio AxeFx for a lot cheaper.

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Does it have factory presets you can tweak into your own like a multi processer?

Axe

Yes, it does. And plenty of slots for your own patches. There are also libraries popping up that others have built. I am not tracking with it yet because we're too far down the road on tracking this cd to change sound now. But I will in the future.

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@axe said:
Yes, it does. And plenty of slots for your own patches. There are also libraries popping up that others have built. I am not tracking with it yet because we're too far down the road on tracking this cd to change sound now. But I will in the future.

With the recording aspect of it I've only worked with a Boss Processer with my Boss four track. Different guitars including acoustics. Other than that you will lose me. Amateur I is.

I was reading on it I guess I'd have to check it out. Since its guitar player friendly I'd guess the bank switching is easy.

Axe

Well, if you grab one you'll have to shoot me an email addy and I'll send more patches than you'll know what to do with

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@axe said:
Well, if you grab one you'll have to shoot me an email addy and I'll send more patches than you'll know what to do with

If I had the dough to spend on it I would. In the distant future I can see me getting one and if I do I'll take you up on the offer.

nickers

@axe said:
I own one.. It does Amp sims, Cab sims (you can load your own) as well, and effects.. It's a dual use pedal. Live and studio. It's not far from my Fractal Audio AxeFx for a lot cheaper.

I hate amp simulation.. It just cant reproduce The dynamic nuances like Tube Amps can...Tube amps are touch sensitive to your Fingers.. While Digital and SS are NOT!.. your pretty much stuck with a gnatty processed shit guitar sound and tone.. Yuck!