No Love for Quinn
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DA's performance was just plain not that bad. There are guys here drooling over first rounders and saying they should be given time, years if necessary, to improve to DA's level or beyond of play. He's had some poor games, and some very good games, but he's been the most successful QB the Browns have had in years. Apparently if he'd been drafted 140 picks earlier none of this supposed controversy would exist.
Let's see...ummm..yeah. 1st rounders usually GET years because you are PAYING them for years regardless. That's what sucks about it. You're essentially held hostage hoping a guy will improve (see Michael Vick). If Aikman had been a 6th rounder, he wouldn't have made it past year 1 before he would have been replaced.
The difference here is that OUR first rounder has never had the chance to show that he sucks. He's been in the league for 2 years, but the opportunity to start wasn't granted until the team was in complete chaos. It's pretty damn similar to the Rodgers situation, except Favre was still playing at a high level.
The difference here is that OUR first rounder has never had the chance to show that he sucks.
plus the 6th rounder now makes more money than the 1st rounder, so the tables are turned in that regard.
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Guys, stop attacking the Straw Man. D&S doesn't have a leg to stand re:Derek-bear's performance, so he's going to pull the old switcheroo and try and deflect the convo.
DA's performance was just plain not that bad. There are guys here drooling over first rounders and saying they should be given time, years if necessary, to improve to DA's level or beyond of play. He's had some poor games, and some very good games, but he's been the most successful QB the Browns have had in years. Apparently if he'd been drafted 140 picks earlier none of this supposed controversy would exist.
DA's performance was just plain not that bad. There are guys here drooling over first rounders and saying they should be given time, years if necessary, to improve to DA's level or beyond of play. He's had some poor games, and some very good games, but he's been the most successful QB the Browns have had in years. Apparently if he'd been drafted 140 picks earlier none of this supposed controversy would exist.
It's not about DA's draft position, D&S, it's about Quinn's.
Like it or not, a first round pick was used to draft Quinn and an organization cannot afford to waste those picks on players who never even see the field. Having a guy bust is one thing, having him never play for no good reason is another entirely.
And a first round QB with Quinn's pedigree certainly should not be kept off the field for "just plain not that bad". A first round pick is selected to PLAY, and ideally to improve the team. What you and Lum fail to realize is that DA is NOT improving the team with his "not that bad" play, and therefore he's gotta go.
Finally, if it takes Quinn -- or any other player, for that matter -- to "improve" to DA's level of "just plain not that bad", then we will never get past being "just plain not that bad" as a franchise.
Not exactly the heights I'm shooting for.
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DA's performance was just plain not that bad. There are guys here drooling over first rounders and saying they should be given time, years if necessary, to improve to DA's level or beyond of play. He's had some poor games, and some very good games, but he's been the most successful QB the Browns have had in years. Apparently if he'd been drafted 140 picks earlier none of this supposed controversy would exist.
It's not about DA's draft position, D&S, it's about Quinn's.
Like it or not, a first round pick was used to draft Quinn and an organization cannot afford to waste those picks on players who never even see the field. Having a guy bust is one thing, having him never play for no good reason is another entirely.
And a first round QB with Quinn's pedigree certainly should not be kept off the field for "just plain not that bad". A first round pick is selected to PLAY, and ideally to improve the team. What you and Lum fail to realize is that DA is NOT improving the team with his "not that bad" play, and therefore he's gotta go.
Finally, if it takes Quinn -- or any other player, for that matter -- to "improve" to DA's level of "just plain not that bad", then we will never get past being "just plain not that bad" as a franchise.
Not exactly the heights I'm shooting for.
It's not about DA's draft position, D&S, it's about Quinn's.
Like it or not, a first round pick was used to draft Quinn and an organization cannot afford to waste those picks on players who never even see the field. Having a guy bust is one thing, having him never play for no good reason is another entirely.
And a first round QB with Quinn's pedigree certainly should not be kept off the field for "just plain not that bad". A first round pick is selected to PLAY, and ideally to improve the team. What you and Lum fail to realize is that DA is NOT improving the team with his "not that bad" play, and therefore he's gotta go.
Finally, if it takes Quinn -- or any other player, for that matter -- to "improve" to DA's level of "just plain not that bad", then we will never get past being "just plain not that bad" as a franchise.
Not exactly the heights I'm shooting for.
That's all nice and dandy, but what if after you get the first rounder in, you realize your 6th rounder is playing at a higher level and you want to win now? Do you play the first rounder because he's a first rounder, or do you play the guy you genuinely think gives you the best chance to win???
So many people here seem to think this scenario hasn't existed... well folks, either it did, or the last coaching and management staff was just screwing with you personally even though their careers would be jeopardized.
It'll be interesting to see what the new group does.
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@inspecta said:
Lumnuts, as much as you are despised here, I have to admit, you usually make me laugh at least once a day.Great argument there corky, DA makes more money, so that must be proof he should be the starter.
Tell me again, where is the guy who gave him this contract?
Oh yeah, he's in the soup line asking for 2nds....
LOL@ you asshat....
If you'd have actually paid attention: In "Lumnuts/corky" defense (believe me, I've no intention of defending him specifically), he was responding to lemosley01 who said "1st rounders usually GET years because you are PAYING them for years regardless.". Lumbergh obviously made the mistake of not including that quote. You can ignore that and pretend he was responding to air if you want, but it wouldn't be accurate.
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You are right, the people that started DA are out of work. Where are the people that drafted BQ? Oh, the same people that are out of work. Does not really matter but I thought I would just point that out when people mention that the people that started DA got fired.
Not talking about this board really, but I have seen lots of people responding to news articles and on other sites saying that if the Browns trade BQ then they are done with the Browns. That is not from a only here to support DA guy like Lum but from people that claim to be real Browns fans. It may not be the party line here but it sounds like the vocal minority really are more BQ fans than Browns fans on other sites and news article responses.
And I don't get it. What has BQ done to garner such support? He was the 22nd pick in the first round or something close, not the number one pick or even top 10. How does that mean that he should get his chance on the field? It means he is on the team and should compete for his chance on the field.
It is a new regime and you should be able to throw away all descriminations that rac had against BQ and have a true open competition. If everybody on this board is right then DA will fold to the pressure and BQ will rise above it all and show the "it" factor.
It is not me that has said BQ is a leader and DA is not. If that is true then who cares if it is a open competition for the job, because BQ will win it easily, he rises to the occasion and DA folds. If you talk pedigree, BQ has won all the big games he has played and DA hasn't. I mean look at thier bowl record, look at thier record against USC and look at thier head to head record. I mean it all points to BQs pedigree being unquestioned.
I mean forget where the QB is drafted, let them prove it on the field. If DA is traded let the backup challenge BQ for the job and if BQ is traded let the backup challenge DA. It does not matter who we think is better, it really only matters who the coaches think gives them the best shot to compete now and in the future. Niether QB is this regimes guy. The regime that brought in these two QBs are out of work, not just started DA but the ones that drafted BQ also.
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You are right, the people that started DA are out of work. Where are the people that drafted BQ? Oh, the same people that are out of work. Does not really matter but I thought I would just point that out when people mention that the people that started DA got fired.
Not talking about this board really, but I have seen lots of people responding to news articles and on other sites saying that if the Browns trade BQ then they are done with the Browns. That is not from a only here to support DA guy like Lum but from people that claim to be real Browns fans. It may not be the party line here but it sounds like the vocal minority really are more BQ fans than Browns fans on other sites and news article responses.
And I don't get it. What has BQ done to garner such support? He was the 22nd pick in the first round or something close, not the number one pick or even top 10. How does that mean that he should get his chance on the field? It means he is on the team and should compete for his chance on the field.
It is a new regime and you should be able to throw away all descriminations that rac had against BQ and have a true open competition. If everybody on this board is right then DA will fold to the pressure and BQ will rise above it all and show the "it" factor.
It is not me that has said BQ is a leader and DA is not. If that is true then who cares if it is a open competition for the job, because BQ will win it easily, he rises to the occasion and DA folds. If you talk pedigree, BQ has won all the big games he has played and DA hasn't. I mean look at thier bowl record, look at thier record against USC and look at thier head to head record. I mean it all points to BQs pedigree being unquestioned.
I mean forget where the QB is drafted, let them prove it on the field. If DA is traded let the backup challenge BQ for the job and if BQ is traded let the backup challenge DA. It does not matter who we think is better, it really only matters who the coaches think gives them the best shot to compete now and in the future. Niether QB is this regimes guy. The regime that brought in these two QBs are out of work, not just started DA but the ones that drafted BQ also.
You are right, the people that started DA are out of work. Where are the people that drafted BQ? Oh, the same people that are out of work...
...because they didn't start BQ, some would argue, not because they drafted him.
And its a QB competition, but no where does it say its going to be fair. Most reports say BQ has the upper hand. But, I agree if BQ can't beat out DA, then tough.
Right now, this is all posturing to keep both of our QB's value as high as possible. If it works, then we'll all have helped Mangini's methods with our chatter - which is OK.
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You are right, the people that started DA are out of work. Where are the people that drafted BQ? Oh, the same people that are out of work. Does not really matter but I thought I would just point that out when people mention that the people that started DA got fired.
Not talking about this board really, but I have seen lots of people responding to news articles and on other sites saying that if the Browns trade BQ then they are done with the Browns. That is not from a only here to support DA guy like Lum but from people that claim to be real Browns fans. It may not be the party line here but it sounds like the vocal minority really are more BQ fans than Browns fans on other sites and news article responses.
And I don't get it. What has BQ done to garner such support? He was the 22nd pick in the first round or something close, not the number one pick or even top 10. How does that mean that he should get his chance on the field? It means he is on the team and should compete for his chance on the field.
It is a new regime and you should be able to throw away all descriminations that rac had against BQ and have a true open competition. If everybody on this board is right then DA will fold to the pressure and BQ will rise above it all and show the "it" factor.
It is not me that has said BQ is a leader and DA is not. If that is true then who cares if it is a open competition for the job, because BQ will win it easily, he rises to the occasion and DA folds. If you talk pedigree, BQ has won all the big games he has played and DA hasn't. I mean look at thier bowl record, look at thier record against USC and look at thier head to head record. I mean it all points to BQs pedigree being unquestioned.
I mean forget where the QB is drafted, let them prove it on the field. If DA is traded let the backup challenge BQ for the job and if BQ is traded let the backup challenge DA. It does not matter who we think is better, it really only matters who the coaches think gives them the best shot to compete now and in the future. Niether QB is this regimes guy. The regime that brought in these two QBs are out of work, not just started DA but the ones that drafted BQ also.
If you talk pedigree, BQ has won all the big games he has played and DA hasn't. I mean look at thier bowl record, look at thier record against USC and look at thier head to head record. I mean it all points to BQs pedigree being unquestioned.
Is this sarcasm?
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@inspecta said:
Lerner more than savage was the driving force behind drafting Quinn so that argument does not hold water. Also as far as people saying they are done with the Browns if we trade Quinn, I wouldn't give that too much credence, as I have said I don't know how many times in the past that if the Browns do X then I'm done with them. As you can see I'm still here.The people who want Quinn to have a shot are nothing like lumnuts, they are actual fans of the Browns and will stick with the team no matter who the QB is.
I agree. Football is supposed to be fun for the fans and players. To hope and be optimistic is the only way to get through the bad times. Football is a multi-billion dollar industry and you have hope that the right decisions are being made by the professionals.
QB is just part of the product.
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@inspecta said:
The people who want Quinn to have a shot are nothing like lumnuts, they are actual fans of the Browns and will stick with the team no matter who the QB is.No, the people who want Quinn to start are fags who liked watching him play for ND and now want to hump his Fathead poster.
How many times do I have to explain this to you?
Just feel lucky that Randy Lerner is one of you, because if he wasn't BQ would never have ended up in Cleveland, and he certainly wouldn't have ever started a game last season.
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@inspecta said:
The people who want Quinn to have a shot are nothing like lumnuts, they are actual fans of the Browns and will stick with the team no matter who the QB is.No, the people who want Quinn to start are fags who liked watching him play for ND and now want to hump his Fathead poster.
How many times do I have to explain this to you?
Just feel lucky that Randy Lerner is one of you, because if he wasn't BQ would never have ended up in Cleveland, and he certainly wouldn't have ever started a game last season.
No, the people who want Quinn to start are fags who liked watching him play for ND and now want to hump his Fathead poster.
How many times do I have to explain this to you?
Just feel lucky that Randy Lerner is one of you, because if he wasn't BQ would never have ended up in Cleveland, and he certainly wouldn't have ever started a game last season.
I don't watch anything of ND, and I want Quinn to start. There goes that theory.
The reason I want Quinn to start is because of several reasons:
He's local and has been a Browns fan his whole life, QB'ing the browns is more personal to him than it normally would be.
He has outstanding leadership qualities and presence on the field. He deserves his shot. Thats it.
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You are right, the people that started DA are out of work. Where are the people that drafted BQ? Oh, the same people that are out of work. Does not really matter but I thought I would just point that out when people mention that the people that started DA got fired.
Not talking about this board really, but I have seen lots of people responding to news articles and on other sites saying that if the Browns trade BQ then they are done with the Browns. That is not from a only here to support DA guy like Lum but from people that claim to be real Browns fans. It may not be the party line here but it sounds like the vocal minority really are more BQ fans than Browns fans on other sites and news article responses.
And I don't get it. What has BQ done to garner such support? He was the 22nd pick in the first round or something close, not the number one pick or even top 10. How does that mean that he should get his chance on the field? It means he is on the team and should compete for his chance on the field.
It is a new regime and you should be able to throw away all descriminations that rac had against BQ and have a true open competition. If everybody on this board is right then DA will fold to the pressure and BQ will rise above it all and show the "it" factor.
It is not me that has said BQ is a leader and DA is not. If that is true then who cares if it is a open competition for the job, because BQ will win it easily, he rises to the occasion and DA folds. If you talk pedigree, BQ has won all the big games he has played and DA hasn't. I mean look at thier bowl record, look at thier record against USC and look at thier head to head record. I mean it all points to BQs pedigree being unquestioned.
I mean forget where the QB is drafted, let them prove it on the field. If DA is traded let the backup challenge BQ for the job and if BQ is traded let the backup challenge DA. It does not matter who we think is better, it really only matters who the coaches think gives them the best shot to compete now and in the future. Niether QB is this regimes guy. The regime that brought in these two QBs are out of work, not just started DA but the ones that drafted BQ also.
If you talk pedigree, BQ has won all the big games he has played and DA hasn't. I mean look at thier bowl record, look at thier record against USC and look at thier head to head record. I mean it all points to BQs pedigree being unquestioned.
Questions are appropriate and harmless. Notre dame did not win a single bowl game while Quinn was at Notre Dame. Fact.
It is what it is. He was playing on a team. They lost one of those games to another team known as The Beavers.
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@inspecta said:
I guess it truly is the barometer of what kind of success a QB will have in the pros.I'll agree with you that the college collapses don't define BQ as an NFL QB.
The fact that he rode pine for 2 years and only saw the field when the owner forced the coach to do it is a much better barometer of what kind of success he can have.
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@inspecta said:
You better pray the Browns trade Quinn, I don't think you'll be able to handle watching your Derek Bear get his ass handed to him in a camp battle, and you know it will happen as evidence by the fact you won't take my bet. You know a camp battle spells D-O-O-M for derek bear....There is one way for BQ to start.... Randy Lerner forcing it.
If Lerner makes Mangini start BQ then DA will ask for a trade.
If Lerner keeps his mouth shut then BQ will ask for a trade.
That's how this shit's gonna go down.
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@inspecta said:
I love it when people throw that one out there.I guess it truly is the barometer of what kind of success a QB will have in the pros.
Just ask Peyton Manning and Rex Grossman......oh wait.
Take a deep breath. Peyton and Rex were playing on teams that lost. So what.
I didn't suggest bowl game losses spell NFL failure. You're forgetting it's a game played by teams.
Remember 11 on offense, 11 on defense. Teams win. Teams lose.
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@jadbf said:
That same coach thought CHARLIE FRYE was a better QB than DA. So once again, you're admiting Charlie Frye is a better QB than DA.coach figured it out after about a quarter.
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@inspecta said:
I guess it truly is the barometer of what kind of success a QB will have in the pros.I'll agree with you that the college collapses don't define BQ as an NFL QB.
The fact that he rode pine for 2 years and only saw the field when the owner forced the coach to do it is a much better barometer of what kind of success he can have.
I'll agree with you that the college collapses don't define BQ as an NFL QB.
The fact that he rode pine for 2 years and only saw the field when the owner forced the coach to do it is a much better barometer of what kind of success he can have.
Only if you consider Crennel a "NFL COACH".
None of us here do but you, apparently.
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@jadbf said:
But that still doesn't account for how good ole Charlie Frye could beat out your snookems in a head to head training camp battle now does it?You forget.
According to RAC, the competition was going to extend into the season.
He didn't declare a winner before week 1.
The winner was named on Tuesday of week 2.
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@jadbf said:
RAC had NO CLUE how to handle quarterbacks, which again proves my point that anything he did says NOTHING about the actual ability of ANY of the quarterbacks who played under him.RAC really didn't need to say anything about the ability of his QB....... the pro bowl voters said it for him.
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@inspecta said:
I hope it was better than his 5/40 performance of 07....You must mean the 10/26 game in the Pro Bowl.
You know, the game BQ nation tried and tried to label "the worst game in the history of organized football".
That was until some guy named Quinn took a shit against the Bill and Texans.
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