Draft Risers & Sliders
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Didn't realize Massaquoi was a Sr...
He'd be a very nice grab in rd #2 (after #36) if the Crabtree/Maclin cookie crumbles.
He and Braylon opposite each other could be devastating for other teams if they are both on their game.
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what about us taking quinn in the 4th round? not only could jim donovan yell "and quinn passes to quinn for the touchdown", but it would give lumbergh another person to hate on.
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TE Richard Quinn, North Carolina
Even in a strong TE class, it’s not easy to find many hand-in-the-dirt, physical, on-the-line tight ends such as Quinn. He shows the ability to dominate as a base blocker and is a very close second to Oklahoma State’s Brandon Pettigrew as a complete all-around tight end. Although Quinn initially graded as a middle-round talent because of his lack of production in the receiving game, NFL evaluators have opened their eyes as to why he did not factor as a pass catcher, with three very solid NFL receiving targets on the flanks. Several teams have positioned him as high as the second round on their draft boards.
What the hell, let's draft this guy.
Like Forrest and Bubba. The "we are not relation" connection.
Good content thread as always Aloy.
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Didn't realize Massaquoi was a Sr...
He'd be a very nice grab in rd #2 (after #36) if the Crabtree/Maclin cookie crumbles.
He and Braylon opposite each other could be devastating for other teams if they are both on their game.
Didn't realize Massaquoi was a Sr...
He'd be a very nice grab in rd #2 (after #36) if the Crabtree/Maclin cookie crumbles.
He and Braylon opposite each other could be devastating for other teams if they are both on their game.
He's struggled with drops issues (more so earlier in his career), but he's a good fit for the complementary #2 receiver role. He's also said to be a high effort/good character guy.
I think he's more of a 3rd round prospect, but he could go in the mid-fifties.
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TE Richard Quinn, North Carolina
Even in a strong TE class, it’s not easy to find many hand-in-the-dirt, physical, on-the-line tight ends such as Quinn. He shows the ability to dominate as a base blocker and is a very close second to Oklahoma State’s Brandon Pettigrew as a complete all-around tight end. Although Quinn initially graded as a middle-round talent because of his lack of production in the receiving game, NFL evaluators have opened their eyes as to why he did not factor as a pass catcher, with three very solid NFL receiving targets on the flanks. Several teams have positioned him as high as the second round on their draft boards.
What the hell, let's draft this guy.
Like Forrest and Bubba. The "we are not relation" connection.
Good content thread as always Aloy.
Good content thread as always Aloy.
PFW's been cranking out a lot of really good stuff recently. Here's some interesting comments from their Audibles section, where they post anonymous comments from scouts, coaches, and front office personnel.
- “(Georgia Tech DE) Michael Johnson is almost nonexistent against the run. He was never a full-time player until his senior year. He’d be a rotational, third-down, situational pass rusher for us. You can’t consider taking guys like that until the third round; we couldn’t, anyway. Someone will take him sooner.”
- “(Cowboys OLB) DeMarcus Ware is a fluid athlete who can bend to leverage the corner. Brian Orakpo is tight and not as natural of a pass-rush guy. Neither are great zone-dropping, but you don’t need to be as a 3-4 rush ’backer. The primary job is playing with your hand in the ground, and that’s what Orakpo does best. He’s got that explosive first step. And he is much stronger than Ware, not that Ware cannot play strong — he knows how to use his hands.”
- (Oklahoma WR Juaquin) Iglesias would be a good fit for Dallas. He’s tough and physical. He ran a lot of West Coast drags at OU like (Cowboys offensive coordinator) Jason Garrett likes to run. He will block. (The Cowboys) lost T.O. They do not have a physical receiver.”
- “If you want a physical center, (Louisville’s) Eric Wood is your guy. Flip a coin between Wood or (California's Alex) Mack, but we like Wood better. He could be the first center drafted. (Oregon’s) Max Unger is more versatile, but he won’t match up as well against power.”
- “If you watched (USC LB Brian) Cushing at his pro day, he opened up the wrong way twice in drills. He did the same thing once at the Combine. He’s a meathead. Rey Maualuga is going to need some reps, too. It won’t be instant for him. The safest linebacker of that group is Clay Matthews.”
- “Penn State OT Gerald Cadogan is going to get drafted way too high for how he plays on tape. He’s too soft. We've got him in the fifth round. He’ll go in the third, maybe the second after the run on tackles. That’s why there are so many mistakes in the draft — guys get pushed up because of needs. We had Sam Baker in the fourth round last year. He went in the first. He played well in the preseason, but once he had to go against regulars and veteran war daddies, I think we saw what he was. He was hurt most of the year, so you have to give it time to play out, but I will be surprised if he plays up to where he was drafted."
- “(South Carolina LB) Jasper Brinkley will be overdrafted on measurables. Go back to the tape.”
- “We’ve done all the research on the quarterbacks. The one that really stands out from everything we have gathered is (Kansas State’s) Josh Freeman. His character is top-notch.”
- “The league is moving toward four-receiver offenses. It’s so difficult to defend. Look at what the Patriots do with Tom Brady and the Colts with Peyton Manning. … (Arizona WR) Mike Thomas ran fast. Denver and New England worked him out. He would fit well as a slot guy in that offense.”
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C Eric Wood, Louisville
Smart, strong, tough and showing surprising agility that was not as evident on tape as it was at the Combine, Wood has climbed to the top of the draft board at his position for run-first, smashmouth offensive lines, and his ability to line up at guard or center and contribute immediately anywhere inside could even give him a shot to be drafted in the first round.
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“If you want a physical center, (Louisville’s) Eric Wood is your guy. Flip a coin between Wood or (California's Alex) Mack, but we like Wood better. He could be the first center drafted. (Oregon’s) Max Unger is more versatile, but he won’t match up as well against power.”
I've been shouting for (Eric) Wood for a few weeks now. He's stayed healthy for every game for the last 4 years and made all conference 4 seasons (second team first season, first team the last 3).
I'm looking at a big strong kid who matches up against the big NTs in our division that has a history of being healthy and with all of our injury problems I'd take him in a heartbeat for reliability's sake alone.
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Didn't realize Massaquoi was a Sr...
He'd be a very nice grab in rd #2 (after #36) if the Crabtree/Maclin cookie crumbles.
He and Braylon opposite each other could be devastating for other teams if they are both on their game.
He's struggled with drops issues (more so earlier in his career), but he's a good fit for the complementary #2 receiver role. He's also said to be a high effort/good character guy.
I think he's more of a 3rd round prospect, but he could go in the mid-fifties.
Aloysius said:
He's struggled with drops issues (more so earlier in his career), but he's a good fit for the complementary #2 receiver role. He's also said to be a high effort/good character guy.I think he's more of a 3rd round prospect, but he could go in the mid-fifties.
Yeah I read that also. I think the high effort/ high character thing will help him jump into late rd 2 like you're saying, particularly with the Stalworth & Plex stories that will get pounded into our heads in the next week by some negative nancy when Crabtree or Maclin or Robeski get talked about. (Not inferring those guys have major character/heart issues).
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That's the first I've heard about Smith's maturity. He would be a dynamite safety for the Browns, though.
If the Browns could get Curry, and draft Wood or Meredith, and Smith in the second, I'd be happy with that.
The Steelers are going to draft Mack or Wood. I still think we need a third round pick to nab a RT, if only to
be backup to Tucker and learn from him.
But Meredith is a tackle I'd love to see on the Browns' offensive line.
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That's the first I've heard about Smith's maturity. He would be a dynamite safety for the Browns, though.
If the Browns could get Curry, and draft Wood or Meredith, and Smith in the second, I'd be happy with that.
The Steelers are going to draft Mack or Wood. I still think we need a third round pick to nab a RT, if only to
be backup to Tucker and learn from him.
But Meredith is a tackle I'd love to see on the Browns' offensive line.
That's the first I've heard about Smith's maturity. He would be a dynamite safety for the Browns, though.
It's the first I've heard about it as well, but I suspected it may be an issue. In one game, I saw him get tackled after making a nice pick, then jump back up, tear off his helmet, and start jawing with the guy who brought him down. Kind of soured me on him.
But you're right: Smith does project very well to free safety. He's got good size, tackling skills, and shows a nice burst breaking on the ball. We're more in need of a strong safety, but Smith wouldn't be such a bad pick at #50.
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Didn't realize Massaquoi was a Sr...
He'd be a very nice grab in rd #2 (after #36) if the Crabtree/Maclin cookie crumbles.
He and Braylon opposite each other could be devastating for other teams if they are both on their game.
He's struggled with drops issues (more so earlier in his career), but he's a good fit for the complementary #2 receiver role. He's also said to be a high effort/good character guy.
I think he's more of a 3rd round prospect, but he could go in the mid-fifties.
Aloysius said:
He's struggled with drops issues (more so earlier in his career), but he's a good fit for the complementary #2 receiver role. He's also said to be a high effort/good character guy.I think he's more of a 3rd round prospect, but he could go in the mid-fifties.
I LIKE your take on him Aloy. They were talking about what an overall disappointment he was at GA based on the expectations from recruiting him.
Another WR I think you nail being overrated is Kenny Britt. People will fall in love with his size BUT he reminds me so much of Miachale Jackson where he'll get wide open and drop a perfect pass too frequently for comfort. Then he'll make a difficult catch you're not expecting. To me, that's too much unpredictability you can't count on.
I wouldn't COMPLAIN if we landed Crabtree because I think he'll be a good one. Not sure he's the immediate impact some think he'll be though. He's got quite a few adjustments ahead of him system wise and it's conceivable a BAD coached team drafting near the top of the draft might not maximize his skills the way leach could. I prefer Maclin's size and speed because even if the receiving is coming slow - we may have a place for him in the return game if this staff knows how to make better use of Cribbs in the offense. I'm sure Hines Ward would still be a terrific STs player in Pitt, BUT he's much more valuable being a fulltime starter on offense. I'd like to see Cribbs matching up in open fields with LBers, 3rd Corners or Safeties trying to cover him from the Slot. With Winslow missing, we're going to need to help Royal out with replacing Winslow's reception volumes.
- Tom F.
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